Police in Vancouver Arrest Man for Nearly Running Down Antifa Protesters With His Tru

[faithful_servant]

Re: Police in Vancouver Arrest Man for Nearly Running Down Antifa Protesters With His

If the media accounts are correct, I don't think his actions following this justify any kind of self-defense defense.

He was being attacked, he used the best tool at his disposal to defend himself. Maybe he should have just gunned it and ran down the people in front of him as he tried to escape the attack, instead of the cowards who were attacking him?? Would that have made you happy?? Or maybe he should have bailed out of his vehicle and hoped that he could have avoided the rain of rocks and bottles while his truck was most likely burned to the ground?? So tell me what you think that he should have done?? He was driving legally down a street where he had a legal right to drive and was doing NOTHING illegal, so if you want to throw out the "He shouldn't have been there in the first place." argument, you can forget it. The Antifa thugs were using illegal actions to try to silence people they disagree with and this guy was doing NOTHING illegal.

Did you notice that no charges were brought against him and he was released?? All that silly law stuff was actually put into motion....

 

[Moon]

Re: Police in Vancouver Arrest Man for Nearly Running Down Antifa Protesters With His

He was being attacked, he used the best tool at his disposal to defend himself. Maybe he should have just gunned it and ran down the people in front of him as he tried to escape the attack, instead of the cowards who were attacking him?? Would that have made you happy?? Or maybe he should have bailed out of his vehicle and hoped that he could have avoided the rain of rocks and bottles while his truck was most likely burned to the ground?? So tell me what you think that he should have done?? He was driving legally down a street where he had a legal right to drive and was doing NOTHING illegal, so if you want to throw out the "He shouldn't have been there in the first place." argument, you can forget it. The Antifa thugs were using illegal actions to try to silence people they disagree with and this guy was doing NOTHING illegal.

Did you notice that no charges were brought against him and he was released?? All that silly law stuff was actually put into motion....

Calm down. I was referring to the reports that he sat at an intersection revving his engine after his initial reaction of reversing toward the protesters. It sounds like he was looking for other people to try to run down. And that is relying on if the media reports were correct, as I said. I didn't know that the police let him go, but that doesn't mean he can't be arrested at a later time.

 

[volsrock]

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Folks we are just going too have to come up with some car laws maybe bans...must keep them out of hands of nuts

 

[j-mac]

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He was at the white pride rally that antifa was protesting...

What "White Pride Rally" is it that you are speaking of? Do you have your antifa terrorism confused?

 

[apdst]

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Police in Vancouver Arrest Man for Nearly Running Down Antifa Protesters With His Truck



Police in Vancouver Arrest Man for Nearly Running Down Antifa Protesters With His Truck - Willamette Week

If one’s an incident, two’s a coincidence, and three’s a pattern. Let's hope a third doesn't happen, I'd hate to see this kind of thing turn into a pattern. I wonder what this whackjob's motivation was. It's fortunate that no one was injured before he was apprehended.

Oh, this is Vancouver WA, not to be confused with Vancouver BC.

They're antifa scumbags. Who cares?

 

[Angelus]

Re: Police in Vancouver Arrest Man for Nearly Running Down Antifa Protesters With His

What "White Pride Rally" is it that you are speaking of? Do you have your antifa terrorism confused?

Police in Vancouver this afternoon handcuffed and detained a man after a Patriot Prayer rally when he nearly ran his truck into a crowd of antifascist counter-protesters.

After a rally organized by the right-wing group Patriot Prayer, antifascist protesters marched north into downtown Vancouver along Columbia Avenue.


First 2 lines of the article.

 

[apdst]

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Police in Vancouver this afternoon handcuffed and detained a man after a Patriot Prayer rally when he nearly ran his truck into a crowd of antifascist counter-protesters.

After a rally organized by the right-wing group Patriot Prayer, antifascist protesters marched north into downtown Vancouver along Columbia Avenue.


First 2 lines of the article.

Where's the "white nationalist" rally?

 

[j-mac]

Re: Police in Vancouver Arrest Man for Nearly Running Down Antifa Protesters With His

Police in Vancouver this afternoon handcuffed and detained a man after a Patriot Prayer rally when he nearly ran his truck into a crowd of antifascist counter-protesters.

After a rally organized by the right-wing group Patriot Prayer, antifascist protesters marched north into downtown Vancouver along Columbia Avenue.


First 2 lines of the article.

Yep, and what exactly does "prayer" have to do with you trying to dishonestly labeling it as some "white power" group or whatever you said?

 

[apdst]

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Yep, and what exactly does "prayer" have to do with you trying to dishonestly labeling it as some "white power" group or whatever you said?

They haven't figured out that Joey Gibson is Japanese-American.

 

[digsbe]

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Protesting a prayer rally, really? What I fear is becoming a pattern is Antifa is going to protest, act violently, and disrupt any protest with any kind of right leaning or conservative people because it's all labeled "white supremacy."

Doesn't excuse the guy trying to run them over, but this is also becoming a disturbing trend.

 

[faithful_servant]

Re: Police in Vancouver Arrest Man for Nearly Running Down Antifa Protesters With His

Police in Vancouver this afternoon handcuffed and detained a man after a Patriot Prayer rally when he nearly ran his truck into a crowd of antifascist counter-protesters.

After a rally organized by the right-wing group Patriot Prayer, antifascist protesters marched north into downtown Vancouver along Columbia Avenue.


First 2 lines of the article.

Only in the mind of a very bigoted person could that define a white pride rally.

 

[slick]

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At that point he was probably pretty pissed off about HIS rights being violated by these thugs. HE also may have been trying to stop them from escaping and hopefully allowing LE to deal with them. Also, were teh thugs who attacked arrested for their part?? Is there an investigation into finding these thugs and bringing them to justice? Is there any effort being made to prevetn these kind of attacks on a citizen for doing nothing more than legally driving down a street?? What about the thugs violation of HIS right to free speech??

But according to the mainstream media antifa types are natures noblemen! Got to protect them from the
50 or so scary KKK members that haven't gone the way of the dinasour as of yet.

 

[The Mark]

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It seems that the counter-protesters were trying to scare HIM out of protesting-- throwing rocks and water bottles isnt exactly peaceful either.

If someone was throwing rocks and water bottles at my car, I don't think I'd decide it a good idea to run into them.

I mean, the most those are going to do is break glass or dent my car.


Now, if I wasn't expecting such, I might swerve or something at the initial impact, which might make me accidentally run into a crowd if I were near one, but I can't see doing so intentionally.

 

[apdst]

Re: Police in Vancouver Arrest Man for Nearly Running Down Antifa Protesters With His

Protesting a prayer rally, really? What I fear is becoming a pattern is Antifa is going to protest, act violently, and disrupt any protest with any kind of right leaning or conservative people because it's all labeled "white supremacy."

Doesn't excuse the guy trying to run them over, but this is also becoming a disturbing trend.

Kristallnacht is right around the corner.

 

[apdst]

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If someone was throwing rocks and water bottles at my car, I don't think I'd decide it a good idea to run into them.

I mean, the most those are going to do is break glass or dent my car.


Now, if I wasn't expecting such, I might swerve or something at the initial impact, which might make me accidentally run into a crowd if I were near one, but I can't see doing so intentionally.

What if they bust your window out and drag you out of the car?

 

[The Mark]

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What if they bust your window out and drag you out of the car?

If they tried, I think I'd attempt to drive away, but then I'd already be doing so if they were throwing stuff.

Edit: It would also be situational, because if I wasn't expecting a broken window I might jerk the wheel or something and run into people.

 

[Crosscheck]

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The sad thing is that the driver of the Silverado just happen to get lost in that mess when he was trying to find the Gap store to return his Bermuda shorts.

 

[Northern Light]

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I firmly believe cops should have a policy of cordoning off automobiles from an area hosting a political demonstration. Including no masks, no weapons. I think it's time for a round table discussion at the White House for law enforcement to come to terms for dealing with this new phenom.

That would be a violation of the First Amendment, because enforcing it would mean you need to search every person entering a protest in order to grant them access.

It's bad enough that we need permits to protest now. Creating further requirements for people to protest represents an unacceptable expansion of government power.

If you want to solve violence then you address the culture of violence, you don't expand government autocracy. All that does is create more oppression which in turn results in violence, as people will eventually grow intolerant of less freedom. (Though in the U.S., it's anyone's guess what that breaking point will be. We have accepted rights violations that decades ago would be unthinkable.)

Both the left and the right in the modern world have no stomach for democracy. One person dies and they want all the rules to change. Michael Foucault calls it Bio Power. We have become so concerned about the preservation of life that our law books are bloated.

How about this: freedom comes with risks and responsibilities. If you want to feel 100% safe then you should move to Saudi Arabia where every facet of life is decided for you. If you want to live in a Democratic Republic then you accept freedom along with the knowledge that there are crazy people.

I am tired of explaining this to people. Protests aren't supposed to be polite little gatherings. They are supposed to disrupt the machinery of society, cause inconvenience, block roads and piss people off. When enough people join in, the disruptive influence is enough that the government must act. But now we throw people in jail when protests get too inconvenient. The activists of the 60's are laughing at us. We've become scared little children who call on big brother anytime we get a boo boo. Nobody cares how loud you shout or how many of you gather as long as you're obediently staying on your little piece of lawn and not deviating. That's right, just keep protesting over there out of sight so the rest of us can keep going to work and the government can keep doing whatever it wants.

 

[beerftw]

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But according to the mainstream media antifa types are natures noblemen! Got to protect them from the
50 or so scary KKK members that haven't gone the way of the dinasour as of yet.

Leave the kingdom of kupa keep out of this!!!!! oh wait you mean the other kkk never mind.

Btw only people who have played south park stick of truth will get this.

 

[Phys251]

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Motivation? maybe this: As the crowd parted to clear the way for the truck to move forward, protesters filled the street behind it and started throwing rocks and water bottles at the truck.

A rock through the window can do lots of damage. A hit to the head can do great damage. Wonder if the guy would have try backing into the rock throwers if they did not throw throw rocks?

Not this **** again...

Let's get this perfectly straight, OK? Even if the rock-throwing is confirmed, that gives a driver zero right to attempt to run over protesters and kill them. Zero. He shouldn't have gotten himself in that situation, and even if he did, he had a duty to retreat. What he did was attempted murder, and I hope he rots in a jail cell for it.

 

[MaggieD]

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That would be a violation of the First Amendment, because enforcing it would mean you need to search every person entering a protest in order to grant them access.

It's bad enough that we need permits to protest now. Creating further requirements for people to protest represents an unacceptable expansion of government power.

If you want to solve violence then you address the culture of violence, you don't expand government autocracy. All that does is create more oppression which in turn results in violence, as people will eventually grow intolerant of less freedom. (Though in the U.S., it's anyone's guess what that breaking point will be. We have accepted rights violations that decades ago would be unthinkable.)

Both the left and the right in the modern world have no stomach for democracy. One person dies and they want all the rules to change. Michael Foucault calls it Bio Power. We have become so concerned about the preservation of life that our law books are bloated.

How about this: freedom comes with risks and responsibilities. If you want to feel 100% safe then you should move to Saudi Arabia where every facet of life is decided for you. If you want to live in a Democratic Republic then you accept freedom along with the knowledge that there are crazy people.

I am tired of explaining this to people. Protests aren't supposed to be polite little gatherings. They are supposed to disrupt the machinery of society, cause inconvenience, block roads and piss people off. When enough people join in, the disruptive influence is enough that the government must act. But now we throw people in jail when protests get too inconvenient. The activists of the 60's are laughing at us. We've become scared little children who call on big brother anytime we get a boo boo. Nobody cares how loud you shout or how many of you gather as long as you're obediently staying on your little piece of lawn and not deviating. That's right, just keep protesting over there out of sight so the rest of us can keep going to work and the government can keep doing whatever it wants.

I certainly agree with your description of what a protest should be. But what it should NOT entail is people getting hurt or killed. To say that's the price of democracy is cynical. No, it is not.

 

[Jack Fabulous]

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Yep, and what exactly does "prayer" have to do with you trying to dishonestly labeling it as some "white power" group or whatever you said?

It's the only group of people I can think of that you can compare Antifa to and have Antifa not look like the bigger scumbags. So if you're a left wing loon who knows how poorly being associated with Antifa makes "your side" look, the only way around that is to make sure that anyone fighting them gets the white supremacist label.

 

[buck]

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Oh no doubt that will be his defense. It's still terrorism, whether he intended harm or not, he wanted to scare protesters out of protesting.

I thought they were throwing things at his truck.. Is that now considered acceptable protesting?

 

[Northern Light]

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I certainly agree with your description of what a protest should be. But what it should NOT entail is people getting hurt or killed. To say that's the price of democracy is cynical. No, it is not.

Maggie, don't put words in my mouth, OK? Nowhere did I say protests should entail risk of death.

I'm saying that that freedom and liberty come with risks which include that you will never be 100% safe in exercising democracy. The more safety you demand the less freedom you will have.

In your previous post you advocated restrictions on protests that would further violate the First Amendment all because of a few bad apples that who like to generate violence. It is this precise advocacy of government power that is eroding the effectiveness of the protest system.

First they introduced the permitting system, in all major cities, within a 5 year time span. Then the permitting system was expanded to include restrictions on where protests may be held, at what hours, and for how long. Then they added additional stipulations... i.e. if your protest is X large then it must have access to adequate facilities, a riot and fire safety plan, etc.

The more red tape that gets created, the harder it is to protest. We have already accepted far too many incursions. You can see it in the comments by lazy cows who never protest, but are OK with criticizing protests that cause any inconvenience in society.

In the 60's, activists would storm government offices and even police stations, shutting them down. They would block entrances, (non-violently) heckle staff from entering their jobs. They would use non-violent resistance to throw their bodies on the machinery of society and they made everything stop until their grievances were heard.

Now? We laugh at those people. We call them traitors or trouble makers. We sit at our computers and write comments like, "Toss 'em in jail!"

What next Maggie? An entrance fee to attend a protest? Body scanners? When does it end?

 

[ThoughtEx.]

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I thought they were throwing things at his truck.. Is that now considered acceptable protesting?

Well, the way I see it, if I'm driving a truck covered in confederate flags and spot a crowd of liberals protesting racism, the last thing I'm going to do is drive towards them. I'm going to turn off and find an alternative route. Unless I want to provoke them into something, so I have an excuse for, oh I don't know, throwing my truck in reverse and and trying to run them over, before hunting them down on another street.

I know these confederate types aren't the smartest, but it's fairly obvious, if I don't want **** thrown at my provocative truck don't try and drive through a crowd of people that hate they symbols on my truck. I see it kind of like the drunk asshole in the bar that gets up in your face til you can't take it and you hit them. Then tries to claim you assaulted him for no reason. Start no ****, be no ****. So to speak. This guy either wanted to start some ****, or is a candidate for dumbass of the year. A rattlesnake is dangerous, I'm not going to try and prove a point to the snake that I have the right to travel right were it's laying. I'm going to give it a wide berth, lest my dumbass gets bit.