Police in Vancouver Arrest Man for Nearly Running Down Antifa Protesters With His Tru

[buck]

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Well, the way I see it, if I'm driving a truck covered in confederate flags and spot a crowd of liberals protesting racism, the last thing I'm going to do is drive towards them.

I really haven't followed the story too closely, but from what I have read, he was simply driving slowly down the street to avoid hitting people, when they started pelting his truck.

BTW, if a woman doesn't want to get raped, don't get drunk, dress provocatively, or walk down the street alone at night. I mean, those girls know what they are in for and all.

 

[blackjack50]

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Police in Vancouver Arrest Man for Nearly Running Down Antifa Protesters With His Truck



Police in Vancouver Arrest Man for Nearly Running Down Antifa Protesters With His Truck - Willamette Week

If one’s an incident, two’s a coincidence, and three’s a pattern. Let's hope a third doesn't happen, I'd hate to see this kind of thing turn into a pattern. I wonder what this whackjob's motivation was. It's fortunate that no one was injured before he was apprehended.

Oh, this is Vancouver WA, not to be confused with Vancouver BC.

I think it was pretty clear. He was antagonizing the crowd. He got the response he wanted (bottled and rocks thrown) and used it as a justification to try and hurt people. In his own mind of course. Friggin wack job.


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[ThoughtEx.]

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I really haven't followed the story too closely, but from what I have read, he was simply driving slowly down the street to avoid hitting people, when they started pelting his truck.

BTW, if a woman doesn't want to get raped, don't get drunk, dress provocatively, or walk down the street alone at night. I mean, those girls know what they are in for and all.

False equivalency, I accused the man of wanting to start **** and choosing the specific road that people he know's have a problem with him are occupying. That would be like a woman looking up a sexual predator's house who has been known to rape, dressed in a string bikini, and walked up to the predators house knocking on the door and saying bet you want to rape me but you can't. Neener Neener. It wouldn't be a good idea.

 

[Oborosen]

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Police in Vancouver Arrest Man for Nearly Running Down Antifa Protesters With His Truck



Police in Vancouver Arrest Man for Nearly Running Down Antifa Protesters With His Truck - Willamette Week

If one’s an incident, two’s a coincidence, and three’s a pattern. Let's hope a third doesn't happen, I'd hate to see this kind of thing turn into a pattern. I wonder what this whackjob's motivation was. It's fortunate that no one was injured before he was apprehended.

Oh, this is Vancouver WA, not to be confused with Vancouver BC.

Let this show, that when you assault someone. You should not be surprised by the actions they take afterwards.

 

[holbritter]

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I really haven't followed the story too closely, but from what I have read, he was simply driving slowly down the street to avoid hitting people, when they started pelting his truck.

BTW, if a woman doesn't want to get raped, don't get drunk, dress provocatively, or walk down the street alone at night. I mean, those girls know what they are in for and all.

Cause that's the only time women get raped. :roll:

 

[Common Sense 1]

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Not this **** again...

Let's get this perfectly straight, OK? Even if the rock-throwing is confirmed, that gives a driver zero right to attempt to run over protesters and kill them. Zero. He shouldn't have gotten himself in that situation, and even if he did, he had a duty to retreat. What he did was attempted murder, and I hope he rots in a jail cell for it.

A question was asked in the first post and all I was doing was answering it! I DO NOT condone violence of any kind. The driver is in jail where he should be! And by the way the rock throwing has been confirmed!! Hope they arrest some of the rock throwers also.

Question form the first post: "I wonder what this whackjob's motivation was."

 

[ludin]

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I firmly believe cops should have a policy of cordoning off automobiles from an area hosting a political demonstration. Including no masks, no weapons. I think it's time for a round table discussion at the White House for law enforcement to come to terms for dealing with this new phenom.

I'm also pretty sure that if Trump did suggest this, he'd be accused by the media of trying to stifle free speech.

had this guy been in any other state but WA he would have gotten off for defending himself and his property.
in WA where people who are assaulting you have more rights than you do to defend yourself this guy is screwed.

he needs a good lawyer but he could argue himself out of it.

 

[ludin]

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No. he was responding to them attacking him.

The problem is WA law.
He has a right to defend him but here is the catch it has to be with reasonable force.
they would not see this as reasonable force.

he has no duty to retreat. it will be interesting to see if the charges stick.
They started throwing rocks first. so why where they not arrested?

 

[ludin]

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Not this **** again...

Let's get this perfectly straight, OK? Even if the rock-throwing is confirmed, that gives a driver zero right to attempt to run over protesters and kill them. Zero. He shouldn't have gotten himself in that situation, and even if he did, he had a duty to retreat. What he did was attempted murder, and I hope he rots in a jail cell for it.

Not in WA he does not.

Washington Law allows a person to use reasonable force to defend themselves when they are being attacked or have a reasonable belief that they are about to be attacked. A person may not use more force than is necessary given the situation. The law does not impose a duty to retreat.

https://www.avvo.com/legal-guides/ugc/self-defense-law-in-washington

Under certain situations, a person may use force to defend against a “malicious trespass or interference" with real or personal property. This means that if someone is entering your home or taking or damaging your property and they are doing so with an evil purpose, you can defend your property by force. The same rules apply to this defense, which is that you may not use more force than in necessary to defend your property.

He can easily argue that he had no intention of running them over but he was simply scaring them to get them to stop throwing rocks at him and his car.
Unless they had a permit he had 100% rights to drive down the street in his truck without being assaulted.

 

[ludin]

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False equivalency, I accused the man of wanting to start **** and choosing the specific road that people he know's have a problem with him are occupying. That would be like a woman looking up a sexual predator's house who has been known to rape, dressed in a string bikini, and walked up to the predators house knocking on the door and saying bet you want to rape me but you can't. Neener Neener. It wouldn't be a good idea.

You can accuse him of whatever unless there was a permit and he ran a barricade setup he has 100% every right to drive down the street and not be assaulted for it.
now who is doing the false equivalency.

they might not like what is on his truck but that does not give them the right to throw rocks and or assault him.

 

[MaggieD]

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You can accuse him of whatever unless there was a permit and he ran a barricade setup he has 100% every right to drive down the street and not be assaulted for it.
now who is doing the false equivalency.

they might not like what is on his truck but that does not give them the right to throw rocks and or assault him.

I often put myself in that situation. What would I do? And I've often thought about this very scenario. "What would I do if a mob of people was throwing rocks at my car and wouldn't let me pass?" I wouldn't care about my car. I'd care about the rocks breaking my window and me being dragged from the car. What I think I would do is drive very slowly and, in essence, play chicken with them thinking they would get out of my way when they knew I wasn't stopping. But! what I'd probably do, with my adrenaline pumping full blast, is step on the gas and close my eyes.

Depending on circumstances, I think this man could get off. But it'll still no doubt ruin his life...

 

[OlNate]

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I often put myself in that situation. What would I do? And I've often thought about this very scenario. "What would I do if a mob of people was throwing rocks at my car and wouldn't let me pass?" I wouldn't care about my car. I'd care about the rocks breaking my window and me being dragged from the car. What I think I would do is drive very slowly and, in essence, play chicken with them thinking they would get out of my way when they knew I wasn't stopping. But! what I'd probably do, with my adrenaline pumping full blast, is step on the gas and close my eyes.

Depending on circumstances, I think this man could get off. But it'll still no doubt ruin his life...

Hey, Maggie, just a quick question for you... In your scenario, why were you driving at any speed through a protest? This is the part I don't get - not a dig, you know I luvs ya, but why were you there in the first place, in your scenario?

 

[MaggieD]

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Hey, Maggie, just a quick question for you... In your scenario, why were you driving at any speed through a protest? This is the part I don't get - not a dig, you know I luvs ya, but why were you there in the first place, in your scenario?

I never thought about that! :lol:

 

[faithful_servant]

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The problem is WA law.
He has a right to defend him but here is the catch it has to be with reasonable force.
they would not see this as reasonable force.

he has no duty to retreat. it will be interesting to see if the charges stick.
They started throwing rocks first. so why where they not arrested?

They did see it as reasonable force, that was why he was released and not charged.

 

[ThoughtEx.]

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You can accuse him of whatever unless there was a permit and he ran a barricade setup he has 100% every right to drive down the street and not be assaulted for it.
now who is doing the false equivalency.

they might not like what is on his truck but that does not give them the right to throw rocks and or assault him.

No one said they did have the right, just that this situation is not equal. It's like throwing popcorn at someone and them shooting you and claiming self defense, it's a bull**** argument. And if everytime a damn neo nazi runs down a group of protesters, all we hear is "but they were throwing water bottles and rocks" neo nazis are going to keep running down protesters.

You are enabling bull **** behavior and it's going to lead to worse problems. Because it at some point it won't be rocks they are throwing, it will be molotov cocktails. And the escalation will completely be on the people who pass this kind of behavior off as self defense. Bull**** it was self defense.

 

[Nap]

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Hey, Maggie, just a quick question for you... In your scenario, why were you driving at any speed through a protest? This is the part I don't get - not a dig, you know I luvs ya, but why were you there in the first place, in your scenario?

It would depend on the protest, large organized protests typically have the roads blocked off to not allow traffic. If it is a mob of people showing up unannounced blocking traffic it isn't the drivers fault but the people in the street.

 

[ludin]

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They did see it as reasonable force, that was why he was released and not charged.

ahh i thought he was taken to jail and or waiting trial.

 

[ludin]

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No one said they did have the right, just that this situation is not equal. It's like throwing popcorn at someone and them shooting you and claiming self defense, it's a bull**** argument. And if everytime a damn neo nazi runs down a group of protesters, all we hear is "but they were throwing water bottles and rocks" neo nazis are going to keep running down protesters.

False equivalency again. this is not popcorn. They were throwing rocks. that can break glass and or injure someone and is damaging private property.
Then they need to stop assaulting people. It also depends on the state and the state laws. He didn't run anyone down. no one was run over.
He has a right to drive down the street without being assaulted. If he is assaulted then he has a right to defend himself just like anyone else does.

You are enabling bull **** behavior and it's going to lead to worse problems. Because it at some point it won't be rocks they are throwing, it will be molotov cocktails. And the escalation will completely be on the people who pass this kind of behavior off as self defense. Bull**** it was self defense.

I am not enabling anything. neither you nor antifa have 0 right to assault anyone. get it through your head. I don't care if they are white black green or blue. You have 0 right to throw rocks and destroy private property.
if they choose to engage in such behavior and assault people who are doing nothing but driving down the street then those people are free to defend themselves.

If they want to throw molotov cocktails i expect them to be arrested. if they are throwing it at other people depending on the state they will probably be shot.
It was self defense. He did nothing but drive down the street something that is 100% legal for him to do.

what they did was 100% illegal. You do not get to throw rocks and other stuff and expect people not to defend themselves.

 

[ludin]

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Hey, Maggie, just a quick question for you... In your scenario, why were you driving at any speed through a protest? This is the part I don't get - not a dig, you know I luvs ya, but why were you there in the first place, in your scenario?

because unless they have a permit and the roads are blocked they are not allowed to block public roads.
people have a right to travel down said roads without them being blocked and or assaulted by people.

while they have a right to protest they do not have a right to impede traffic or stop people from moving down the street.

 

[buck]

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Cause that's the only time women get raped. :roll:

Showing you missed the point... but not only should you not drive a pickup with confederate flags, lest you get attacked by the left...make sure you don't play softball. That will apparently only enrage a liberal too. Liberals must not have any self control.

 

[buck]

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Cause that's the only time women get raped. :roll:

False equivalency, I accused the man of wanting to start **** and choosing the specific road that people he know's have a problem with him are occupying. That would be like a woman looking up a sexual predator's house who has been known to rape, dressed in a string bikini, and walked up to the predators house knocking on the door and saying bet you want to rape me but you can't. Neener Neener. It wouldn't be a good idea.

Ah.. next time a woman walks by some sexual predators house, I'll be certain to remember you are ok with her being raped... and it's her fault afterall.

 

[OlNate]

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because unless they have a permit and the roads are blocked they are not allowed to block public roads.
people have a right to travel down said roads without them being blocked and or assaulted by people.

while they have a right to protest they do not have a right to impede traffic or stop people from moving down the street.

So, you drive toward unpermitted demonstrations? Cuz, unless I have a reason to be there (which is, well, never, if I'm in my car), I tend to look for an alternate route, regardless to whether I have the right to be there or not. Mainly because I don't like waiting in a sea of angry protesters, but also because I'm not dumb...hehe

They may not have the right to impede traffic, but if you saw it, would you drive into the middle of it...just because? Looking for a common sense answer, not a technical one. I'm not disagreeing with you on the law bit...but you have to admit you would have to have a pretty mighty axe to grind to see a demonstration like that, and drive towards it, instead of away from it...

 

[Chomsky]

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That would be a violation of the First Amendment, because enforcing it would mean you need to search every person entering a protest in order to grant them access.

It's bad enough that we need permits to protest now. Creating further requirements for people to protest represents an unacceptable expansion of government power.

If you want to solve violence then you address the culture of violence, you don't expand government autocracy. All that does is create more oppression which in turn results in violence, as people will eventually grow intolerant of less freedom. (Though in the U.S., it's anyone's guess what that breaking point will be. We have accepted rights violations that decades ago would be unthinkable.)

Both the left and the right in the modern world have no stomach for democracy. One person dies and they want all the rules to change. Michael Foucault calls it Bio Power. We have become so concerned about the preservation of life that our law books are bloated.

How about this: freedom comes with risks and responsibilities. If you want to feel 100% safe then you should move to Saudi Arabia where every facet of life is decided for you. If you want to live in a Democratic Republic then you accept freedom along with the knowledge that there are crazy people.

I am tired of explaining this to people. Protests aren't supposed to be polite little gatherings. They are supposed to disrupt the machinery of society, cause inconvenience, block roads and piss people off. When enough people join in, the disruptive influence is enough that the government must act. But now we throw people in jail when protests get too inconvenient. The activists of the 60's are laughing at us. We've become scared little children who call on big brother anytime we get a boo boo. Nobody cares how loud you shout or how many of you gather as long as you're obediently staying on your little piece of lawn and not deviating. That's right, just keep protesting over there out of sight so the rest of us can keep going to work and the government can keep doing whatever it wants.

Amen!

And this is complicated by modern society's propensity to vet it's citizens to death! An arrest for a minor non-violent act of protest can have far more consequence today, than in 1969.

My kids went to Catholic Schools, and despite being conservative in nature, Catholicism here in the States is a treasure trove of social activism including non-violent protest. The kids are not just encouraged to be social active, but are expected to be! And in my kid's high school the subject of non-violent arrest was a hot topic in the context of today's society, versus the instructors who had lived through the '60's & '70's where non-violent arrest was the ultimate expression of social dissatisfaction.

 

[Chomsky]

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I often put myself in that situation. What would I do? And I've often thought about this very scenario. "What would I do if a mob of people was throwing rocks at my car and wouldn't let me pass?" I wouldn't care about my car. I'd care about the rocks breaking my window and me being dragged from the car. What I think I would do is drive very slowly and, in essence, play chicken with them thinking they would get out of my way when they knew I wasn't stopping. But! what I'd probably do, with my adrenaline pumping full blast, is step on the gas and close my eyes.

Depending on circumstances, I think this man could get off. But it'll still no doubt ruin his life...

I must point-out the driver was only briefly detained, and released w/o charges.

 

[ThoughtEx.]

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Ah.. next time a woman walks by some sexual predators house, I'll be certain to remember you are ok with her being raped... and it's her fault afterall.

Straw Man, that's not the scenario I used. Stop trying to paint me as a misogynist just because you can't come up with an effective argument.