People Still Deny Trump Is Racist Trash?

[volsrock]

You do realize that Haitians and Nigerians are Black. Right? It's not a PC thing; it's a race thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Haitians

 

[MrShangles]

lol...maybe that's because they agree with him.



Haitians have AIDSl Nigerians live in huts and Afghans are terrorists. Yes, your president is a dumbass.

Do Haitians have aids, (Trump didn’t say all), do Nigerians live in huts(Trump didn’t say all of them here either). Are Afghans terrorist.( he didn’t say all here either)
So now that we cleaned that mistake up, can any liberals answer the question without adding words as usual.


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[SheWolf]

Given your point of view we can assume you do not mind if someone drills a tunnel into your house to bring drugs or human traffic or even just to raid your refrigerator.

We can also assume you do not believe in doors,windows, locks or even knocking or announcing yourself before entering a strangers house and demanding their resources.

As the most generous country in the history of the earth we pride ourselves on inviting in people to our homes to live, eat, work, and play with us.

It does not seem so much trouble to ask that they knock at the front door and announce who they are.

Do you use keys of any type? If you do not then at least you would be consistent in denying Americans control of their entry ways.

This is your view of immigrants? Nothing but theifs and criminals harming the citizenery?

 

[SheWolf]

Really? He actually said a judge "wasn't worthy of judging him"?

Do you have a quote of him saying that? Or...are you spinning something he said into something entirely different? (that's what the mainstream media does a lot of, you know)

Been there. Have had this conversation. The problem is, Trump supporters dont hear anything wrong with Trumps words or what it means about his character.

 

[SheWolf]

I ask for a quote and you give me an article that presents snippets of things Trump said.

Thanks, but I don't want something written by someone who appears to be taking things out of context. Just give me the quote of what Trump said...not some bozo's analysis. I can analyze what he said on my own.

Yeah. I am sure if Trump shot somebody and you saw it on live TV, you could come up with some reason still support his actions.

 

[SheWolf]

I think Trump makes very good points about the unfair rulings from this judge. Don't you?

Or...did you ignore his points and just key in on "He's a Mexican"? BTW, that judge is a member of an organization that supports illegal immigration.

In any case, Trump clarified his remarks...but nobody seems to care about that.



So, that leaves us with Trump's objection to the judge for the other reasons he gave.

That's what I mean about spin and context.

There it is. You agree with Trumps bigotry.

 

[SheWolf]

You are making it up as you go along. Trump and his supporters, myself included are quite okay with immigrants as long as they come here legally and respect our laws and culture. We are a nation of immigrants.

Really? Then why did you vote for man who wants to ban and register muslims?

 

[SheWolf]

If you are legally in America, you do not have a problem unless you are overstaying a visa or otherwise not following the rules.

No. I have reason to worry, because Trump talks about revoking Visas, ending Visa programs, and ending Muslim immigration. Stop treating me like I am a fool. I know what Trump has said, and I know a lot of his supporters are not comfortable with Muslim immigration or chain migration. So don't even try to act like you didnt go all in for guy who campaigned on banning and registering muslims. You did.

 

[SheWolf]

You are quite confused. The Trump "temporary" immigration ban from certain countries is based on terrorism risks and Presidents Obama, Bush, and Clinton all imposed similar temporary immigration bans. And your last statement is intellectually dishonest.

This is spin.

 

[SheWolf]

Even though I'm an immigration hard liner, I couldn't help but stay up last night thinking of your situation and why you feel the way you do. I typically look at the immigration issue in general terms but when I tried to put myself in your specific position, it really bothered me. I love my family dearly and would do anything for them so it's likely I might feel exactly as you do if our positions were reversed. I still feel strongly about curtailing free flowing immigration but I also think we need to have a heart and be more compassionate. I just don't know how you come to an amicable solution between those 2 positions.

I have been talking about my situation since Trump came into politics. I have always felt that Trump supporters don't care very much, because they are afraid of certain immigrants. I have also said for a long time, that this has lead to many people in the community not feeling welcome in the US. My husband constantly travels in the ME, and has a result of the political climate and attitude towards immigrants, we are talking more and more about moving to the ME.

I guess this is what Romney called self deportation. We are here legally and contribute. I know a lot of doctors, scientists, etc. Many immigrants from the ME, and like us, they just aren't feeling comfortable and fully accepted into the communities.

 

[it's just me]

My president is an intelligent female. I can disown yours until you all elect a better one.

Can't be Hillary, then....

 

[SheWolf]

Changing the subject. That's fine. So you want to know how I feel about Muslims. I'm assuming that you are trying to figure out if I'm racist because I'm a Trump supporter. I already told you that I am not. I think we can both agree that some Muslims have been radicalized. I don't have a problem with them coming to our country like all other immigrants. But we should be careful doing so. Don't you agree. I'm not just saying that about Muslims, I'm saying that about everybody that we put through the process.

I am talking about the larger political climate and attitude towards immigrants. It's nice you want to share your different views, but do you not realize the larger political climate occurring around you? Have you heard anything that bothers you?

 

[SheWolf]

I hate to upset you, but I'm seeing a common theme with you. You have so much hatred in your heart. You don't want to believe that there are white people that aren't racist. I'm so sorry that you feel that way. We are all immigrants in this country. We have no problem with different cultures and values. That's what makes America great. I've already told you that there are good and bad people everywhere in the world. Not just the U.S.A. You should already know this. We do need to be careful how many people we let come to our country. We have to have jobs created to accommodate them. The thing I don't understand is, if immigrants don't feel welcomed in this country, why do they want to come here?

All I am trying to get you to do is admit that you have heard people say such things. I don't have hate in my heart.

 

[Mycroft]

Been there. Have had this conversation. The problem is, Trump supporters dont hear anything wrong with Trumps words or what it means about his character.

The problem is, the Trump haters heard what he said...and then made **** up. Admit it...he didn't say anything about being "unworthy".

 

[Mycroft]

Yeah. I am sure if Trump shot somebody and you saw it on live TV, you could come up with some reason still support his actions.

No, I would look at the facts and react accordingly. I wouldn't make **** up about it.

 

[Mycroft]

There it is. You agree with Trumps bigotry.

Damn...now you want to spin MY words? You sound like calamity.

 

[Dennis]

I am talking about the larger political climate and attitude towards immigrants. It's nice you want to share your different views, but do you not realize the larger political climate occurring around you? Have you heard anything that bothers you?

I personally have not really heard anything against immigrants in my area other than they want them to be legal and not living off the gov. Like I said we are all immigrants. I think some people take phrases to be more racist then they actually are meant to be. That can be very dangerous. That is why I don't like what the media is doing. I could be wrong about that, but that's how I see a lot of it being taken. Maybe Trump's comments could be taken that way, I just don't see it that way. I'm not saying that there isn't racist people out there, because there are. I just don't see it around my area. I also think the media is taking a lot of Trump's comments and trying to make people angry by making assumptions. I think the media is trying to create racial tensions. I hope that doesn't offend you, but I think that is what is happening.

 

[SheWolf]

I personally have not really heard anything against immigrants in my area other than they want them to be legal and not living off the gov. Like I said we are all immigrants. I think some people take phrases to be more racist then they actually are meant to be. That can be very dangerous. That is why I don't like what the media is doing. I could be wrong about that, but that's how I see a lot of it being taken. Maybe Trump's comments could be taken that way, I just don't see it that way. I'm not saying that there isn't racist people out there, because there are. I just don't see it around my area. I also think the media is taking a lot of Trump's comments and trying to make people angry by making assumptions. I think the media is trying to create racial tensions. I hope that doesn't offend you, but I think that is what is happening.

I used to have the same attitude as you about racism, until I started getting closer to certain groups of people. I have also learned that there isn't any really good advice out there on how to deal with it. You just have to more or less accept as a fact of life, and live life despite it. If you have kids, you watch your kids grow, loving them, and knowing they will have to learn to accept the same reality. There is nothing else that can be said about bigotry and racism. It isn't right and it does actually hurt people, but it's a reality many people can't relate to.

I really spent most of my life in this country thinking Americans didn't have a problem with diversity and respected immigrants. That has changed for reasons I can specify and things said to me and in my presence. I think you may be just as naive as I used to be. I hope the climate changes in America. I wish people weren't so afraid of others for no good reason.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Hmm...I could go down the list you provided to point out how each is, in fact, propaganda; but I'll supply a couple of definitions from two main sources:

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/propaganda

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/propaganda

The very wording of your list demonstrates the above because much of it is either a matter of personal opinion projected as a moral certainty, or some form of fallacious argument.

I support the man because I voted for him with my eyes wide open, recognizing all his faults and virtues, yet still choosing him for all the reasons I've pointed out in prior posts.

Something your side of the argument keeps ignoring when you address my arguments.

That is all the response you are entitled to. :shrug:

Um, what, exactly, among each of those examples that I posted, was either "biased or misleading"? Those were examples of what he has DONE...and neither the fact that your side doesn't want to acknowledge what's wrong with them nor the fact that my side is pointing them out in ANY way negate the egregious natures of his actions. Using your line of "logic" would excuse voting for Charles Manson if he were still living and said what you wanted to hear.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Yes it was. You will also notice that he was not found guilty either.

Read again - he was NOT found "not guilty", but reached agreements where he did not admit guilt.

You claimed "yes it was"...so other than the word of the serial-liar-in-chief, what proof do you have that his actions were only against those who were on welfare?

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Hmmm...says a person who (like the OP) regularly posts whatever negative thing they can find about Trump in the Forum?

Let me give you an example that illustrates how irrational you’re being.

Imagine Fox News spoke to two Obama White House officials who reported Obama saying “Religion is for fools.” Obama denies saying this. Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice and Eric Holder were all at the meeting and they deny hearing those words.

Now here’s a basic test of your rationality. Is it more likely that two separate officials fabricated the same story or that Obama and his administration are lying to protect themselves?

Lying to hide an embarrassing truth is rather common. Two separate people fabricating the same story is not. If Trump did say it, admitting it would destroy Trump and their own jobs.

It’s more likely than not that Trump said this. Are you not troubled that this could be true? If this is proven true would you still support him?





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[SonOfDaedalus]

Do Haitians have aids, (Trump didn’t say all), do Nigerians live in huts(Trump didn’t say all of them here either). Are Afghans terrorist.( he didn’t say all here either)
So now that we cleaned that mistake up, can any liberals answer the question without adding words as usual.


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That’s the dumbest thing I ever read. But let’s play.

Conservatives are racists (I didn’t say all)




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[Moderate Right]

lol...maybe that's because they agree with him.



Haitians have AIDSl Nigerians live in huts and Afghans are terrorists. Yes, your president is a dumbass.

You believe anything don't you?

 

[Moderate Right]

Except this is something we all know Trump would say. So, the reports are plausible. To say the least.

Translation, "I believe it because I hate Trump. The hell with proof".

 

[Moderate Right]

Why do you defend racism?

Why do you spread lies for purely partisan reasons?