People Still Deny Trump Is Racist Trash?

[gdgyva]

That’s the dumbest thing I ever read. But let’s play.

Conservatives are racists (I didn’t say all)




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And based on the exact same logic

Liberals are idiots...I didn’t say all

Everyone can play that game....feel better?

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

And based on the exact same logic

Liberals are idiots...I didn’t say all

Everyone can play that game....feel better?

That makes no sense.

Please read the post I was quoting. He argued that Trump didn’t say “all” Haitians have AIDS or “all” Nigerians live in huts. I gave an example “Conservatives are racists” to illustrate how ridiculous his pathetic attempt at word parsing was.

I can’t believe I had to spell this out to you.


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[gdgyva]

That makes no sense.

Please read the post I was quoting. He argued that Trump didn’t say “all” Haitians have AIDS or “all” Nigerians live in huts. I gave an example “Conservatives are racists” to illustrate how ridiculous his pathetic attempt at word parsing was.

I can’t believe I had to spell this out to you.


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exactly

right now every word is parsed, and every syllable checked for any possible ammunition to be used against Trump

i dont like him either....but jezzus people....get a life

make money, have kids, go to the park

breathe.....

he will be gone before we realize it....and the country will still be here

way to many of you need a good hour with my masseuse

 

[Vetplus40]

Why do you defend racism?

Typically, the "like minded" tend to do that. Most likely because they cant come to terms with their own racism.

 

[Vetplus40]

Why do you spread lies for purely partisan reasons?

That would be an EXCELLENT question to ask DJT, SHS and the rest of his incompetent senior staff.

 

[Vetplus40]

You believe anything don't you?

The comical value of a Trump supporter asking this question is off the charts...........LMAO (x1000)

 

[akyron]

This is your view of immigrants? Nothing but theifs and criminals harming the citizenery?

The fact that you would jump to the extreme and conflate illegal immigrants with immigrants tells me you are not really serious about the discussion.

Read what I said again and perhaps you can decipher the difference. Do you use keys or not?

 

[joG]

You do realize that Haitians and Nigerians are Black. Right? It's not a PC thing; it's a race thing.

Black? Where is your problem? Pc and race are not mutually exclusive.

 

[calamity]

Black? Where is your problem? Pc and race are not mutually exclusive.

Being un-PC regarding race is....uh, wait for it--racist.

 

[joG]

Being un-PC regarding race is....uh, wait for it--racist.

Not at all, though, many do confuse these two issues, which is confusing in its own right. They are so different, you see.

 

[Moderate Right]

That would be an EXCELLENT question to ask DJT, SHS and the rest of his incompetent senior staff.

I was asking Calamity about spreading his lies for purely partisan reasons.

 

[Moderate Right]

The comical value of a Trump supporter asking this question is off the charts...........LMAO (x1000)

What's comical is the left spreading lies about Trump and then claiming that Trump lies.

 

[Dennis]

I used to have the same attitude as you about racism, until I started getting closer to certain groups of people. I have also learned that there isn't any really good advice out there on how to deal with it. You just have to more or less accept as a fact of life, and live life despite it. If you have kids, you watch your kids grow, loving them, and knowing they will have to learn to accept the same reality. There is nothing else that can be said about bigotry and racism. It isn't right and it does actually hurt people, but it's a reality many people can't relate to.

I really spent most of my life in this country thinking Americans didn't have a problem with diversity and respected immigrants. That has changed for reasons I can specify and things said to me and in my presence. I think you may be just as naive as I used to be. I hope the climate changes in America. I wish people weren't so afraid of others for no good reason.

I would say that you explained that very well being an immigrant yourself. All that I would add to that is this. My hope for you is that you can forgive them for not getting to know you, or thinking that you are less than them. But also remember that if you are not careful, you will become just as racist as they are. Don't lump all Trump supporters as being racist. Some probably are, but I would suggest most aren't. Be welcoming to all Americans until you get to know them and can make the correct assumptions about them personally. Maybe where you live is pretty bad, but I would suggest to branch out a little farther. The results I think would surprise you.

 

[SheWolf]

The fact that you would jump to the extreme and conflate illegal immigrants with immigrants tells me you are not really serious about the discussion.

Read what I said again and perhaps you can decipher the difference. Do you use keys or not?

Trump attacks legal immigration.

 

[SheWolf]

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You don't know me very well, but I have said before on this site that I have been friends with people I view as having bigoted views. For the longest time, I have been pretty close to certain people. For example, my one friend was hosting a mutual friend from Australia. I was hanging out with the Aussie one day, and he kept asking me if the young black people everywhere were working or if they were loitering. I thought it was a really strange question until he started talking more.

Turns out, it was our friend's bigotry of black people and staying with her, causing all of his confusion. She constantly complains about black people in America. She talks like they are all lazy, they don't want to work, they get welfare, and go downtown while everybody else works to hang out, beg for money, party, drink, etc., and they just don't take for their kids or families, and on top of all that, she says that she feels like they want her to apologize to them for slavery.

We live in a big city, so we see a lot of African Americans, and I told the Aussie that a lot of black people work, have respectable jobs, go to college, etc.

I have known this person for close to five years. I know other people with bigoted attitudes and prejudices, many such people that I know, I can say have said things to me that I found offense and prejudice. In the past, I always tried to look past such attitudes as mere flaws in their personalities and have tried to set examples to them in conversation, but overall, I felt sorry for them because they didn't know how they embarrassed themselves with their prejudices.

All of these people I know, voted for Trump. I know other Trump voters, who voted for Trump saying they felt concerned or uncomfortable with Trump's rhetoric, some even thought Trump was bigoted but voted for him, and they relied on believing the courts and people around him would hold him in check. All of this bothers me, and I will explain, but the day Trump got elected, my views of bigoted people drastically changed. It was like getting punched in the face hard by reality. I used to think they were decent people despite their prejudices, and felt sorry for their prejudice attitudes, but Trump's election made me realize, that when bigoted people coalesce and take power, they actually become threatening to other people like myself and have no concern about it.

My friend above has said many offensive things to me and my husband, and she voted for Trump... She voted for a man who said he wanted to ban and register Muslims. She was ok with that rhetoric, because she agrees with the policies. It opened my eyes, because a lot of people around me who I always viewed as somewhat prejudice but ok people, are is reality distrustful and fearful people who may need to see my husband's immigration halted and a registry of American muslims to feel safe.

I went from the "I am okay with you" category to the "I don't know if I should trust you" category. I asked somebody what was enough to decide if a person was actually Muslim or not. I go to a mosque sometimes, should I register? They told me that I should feel comfortable registering, because the government would lose interest in me. That offended me, and I could go on and on about this conversation.

As for the Trump supporters and voters who voted feeling uncomfortable with the rhetoric and hoping the courts would put in check... they bother me too. These courts can keep Trump and people like him in check for so long, but if you keep voting for such people and they keep appointing judges (and I am not talking just supreme court judges either), that could changed. Where is the line acceptability???? When does a political candidate say something in terms of treating your neighbors and coworkers that you refuse to vote for the person????

I asked myself what would be my line. What if somebody flat out denied the Holocaust? I hope I could never convince myself it was better to vote for a Holocaust denier than the other person . At this point, I really cannot contemplate giving such a person the ability to appoint judges in America. I really hope I never find an excuse to vote for such a person, but what if they did promise to drain the swamp and make my life so great, and what if, I really hated the other candidate and I relied on the courts holding the guy in check? Would it be hard for me to not for the a Holocaust denier under any circumstance? I really wouldn't want to do that to other people in America. I really don't think I should.

 

[dorsai]

Hysterical and making the same mistake that people have made now twice about Donald Trump. He cannot win the primary and they give him a 1% chance. What do they do? I'm sorry. I got to say it. I said this from the beginning, Ronald Reagan feasted on the low expectations of his rivals, there were piles of political bones at Ronald Reagan's feet from people who underestimated him…They did it to Donald Trump during the primary. They did it to Donald Trump during the general election. They should have learned their lesson – nobody in the media learned their lesson, nobody! They’re doing it again… -- Joe Scarborough Nov 14, 2016

AND...they are still doing it. The opposition to Trump continues to set low expectations and attempts to force everything to fit that mold whether it be supposed racism, supposed sexism, a perceived lack of legislation, a perceived lack of policy initiatives, etc. While his opponents are chasing the tiny red dot, he appears to be transforming the country. All of the noise and squawking about anonymous sourcing of his personal foibles drowns out the discussion and debate on the truly transformative things he has been doing. The judiciary and tax code alone will have long lasting and far reaching implications.

 

[Dennis]

You don't know me very well, but I have said before on this site that I have been friends with people I view as having bigoted views. For the longest time, I have been pretty close to certain people. For example, my one friend was hosting a mutual friend from Australia. I was hanging out with the Aussie one day, and he kept asking me if the young black people everywhere were working or if they were loitering. I thought it was a really strange question until he started talking more.

Turns out, it was our friend's bigotry of black people and staying with her, causing all of his confusion. She constantly complains about black people in America. She talks like they are all lazy, they don't want to work, they get welfare, and go downtown while everybody else works to hang out, beg for money, party, drink, etc., and they just don't take for their kids or families, and on top of all that, she says that she feels like they want her to apologize to them for slavery.

We live in a big city, so we see a lot of African Americans, and I told the Aussie that a lot of black people work, have respectable jobs, go to college, etc.

I have known this person for close to five years. I know other people with bigoted attitudes and prejudices, many such people that I know, I can say have said things to me that I found offense and prejudice. In the past, I always tried to look past such attitudes as mere flaws in their personalities and have tried to set examples to them in conversation, but overall, I felt sorry for them because they didn't know how they embarrassed themselves with their prejudices.

All of these people I know, voted for Trump. I know other Trump voters, who voted for Trump saying they felt concerned or uncomfortable with Trump's rhetoric, some even thought Trump was bigoted but voted for him, and they relied on believing the courts and people around him would hold him in check. All of this bothers me, and I will explain, but the day Trump got elected, my views of bigoted people drastically changed. It was like getting punched in the face hard by reality. I used to think they were decent people despite their prejudices, and felt sorry for their prejudice attitudes, but Trump's election made me realize, that when bigoted people coalesce and take power, they actually become threatening to other people like myself and have no concern about it.

My friend above has said many offensive things to me and my husband, and she voted for Trump... She voted for a man who said he wanted to ban and register Muslims. She was ok with that rhetoric, because she agrees with the policies. It opened my eyes, because a lot of people around me who I always viewed as somewhat prejudice but ok people, are is reality distrustful and fearful people who may need to see my husband's immigration halted and a registry of American muslims to feel safe.

I went from the "I am okay with you" category to the "I don't know if I should trust you" category. I asked somebody what was enough to decide if a person was actually Muslim or not. I go to a mosque sometimes, should I register? They told me that I should feel comfortable registering, because the government would lose interest in me. That offended me, and I could go on and on about this conversation.

Now that I know that you are Muslim, I can understand your position better. Not that I need to reply to your statement, but I will. I think some people feel that Muslims themselves aren't doing enough to stop those that are being radicalized. Some non Muslim people feel that way. They shouldn't, but I think they do. The Oklahoma City bomber, who pulled off a major attack, was white. Nobody knew what he was up to. But, for some reason, these people just think that Muslims would be able to determine who is being radicalized and stop them before they pull off an attack. I think we can both agree, that as Americans, we should all be watching out for terrorists no matter what ethnic or religion people are. It's not just foreigners doing terrorist attacks. Trump might say something that we both might take two different ways. That's O.K. It's just a difference of opinion. Like I said, I think Trump should chose his words more carefully. I also think the media should do the same. Dividing the people of this country is not the way to go.

 

[poweRob]

You swear by the reality of someone told you that someone said that someone said that Trump said something.

That's called rumor-mongering. Most people dismiss that kind of thing out of hand. You don't.

Did you know that Obama was born in Kenya?

 

[Mycroft]

Did you know that Obama was born in Kenya?

No. Did this article say something about that?

If it didn't, why the deflection?