Pelosi says Trump carried out strike on Iranian commander without authorization and she wants detail

[PIPEWRENCH]

Well, he should at least have his own military's approval...

I think he should have done nothing until they attacked us. It is time for another 911 to wake us up before one of these wonderful rulers hands off a nuke to some terrorist and detonates it in one of our major cities because we have no need for secure borders.

 

[NeverTrump]

It's remarkable how Trump has played the Democrats into defending Iran and a known Iranian terrorist. They'll have a tough time defending these positions, and others, come election time.

No one is defending Iran.


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[maxparrish]

Yeah we just don't want to get into another undeclared war in the middle east or anything. Didn't Trump say Bush should have been impeached for that? Hmmmm...How easy you guys forgive and forget.

If this were a thread about Trump's view of Bush, I'd bother to answer. It isn't. It's about the liberal whining and gushing tears over Trump killing a scumbag terrorist. So no more red herrings, shall we?

 

[Michael Cole]

If this were a thread about Trump's view of Bush, I'd bother to answer. It isn't. It's about the liberal whining and gushing tears over Trump killing a scumbag terrorist. So no more red herrings, shall we?

Not wanting to go to war is nothing like crying and gushing tears over killing anyone. What ridiculous hyperbole, if you wanna call it that. If it made sense it would be hyperbole. It's just stupid angry nonsense

 

[AliHajiSheik]

Well, he should at least have his own military's approval...

A country where the military isn't subordinate to the civilian government is not a good thing, I'm surprised you disagree.

 

[Conservative]

Whoa nellie. I didn't ask for your reasons supporting Trump. If come Nov., the economic polls you rely on do an about face;
let's say, only 46% approval rating, you will not be voting, correct?

You asked me if the poll went below the 54% number if I wouldn't vote for Trump, I answered it, you ignored it, Bye. It never was about polls for me but rather results!!

 

[NeverTrump]

A country where the military isn't subordinate to the civilian government is not a good thing, I'm surprised you disagree.

Yeah it's way better to constantly ignore and belittle them.


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[Michael Cole]

You asked me if the poll went below the 54% number if I wouldn't vote for Trump, I answered it, you ignored it, Bye. It never was about polls for me but rather results!!

No you didn't answer. And your results are taken from polls. No matter. Any results. Polls. Labor statistics. Stock market. Take your pick.

I'll try again. If the economic results go south, you won't be voting, correct? That's a simple yes or no.
Yes, you will be voting or no you won't be voting. C'mon now.

 

[NeverTrump]

If this were a thread about Trump's view of Bush, I'd bother to answer. It isn't. It's about the liberal whining and gushing tears over Trump killing a scumbag terrorist. So no more red herrings, shall we?

Well that's a new way to ignore history. But sure whatever. Have fun getting into another undeclared war in the middle east just to own the libs. I'm sure you guys will be the first to volunteer.


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[cabse5]

How does killing this general hurt Putin in any way? Seeing the spike in oil prices, I only see positives for him.

Do you realize you should've quoted the OP with your post?

 

[AliHajiSheik]

Yeah it's way better to constantly ignore and belittle them.


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No, it isn't. Going against a core principle of our government, like civilian control of the military is never better regardless of who the Commander in Chief may be.

 

[Doc91478]

Was Bin Laden responsible in any way for 9/11?

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Al Qaeda took responsibility for the Attacks of 9/11. Osama bin Laden was the leader of al Qaeda on 9/11.....

Responsibility for the September 11 attacks
Responsibility for the September 11 attacks - Wikipedia
Two weeks after the September 11 attacks, the Federal Bureau of Investigation connected the hijackers to al-Qaeda, a global, decentralized terrorist network. In a number of video, audio, interview and printed statements, senior members of al-Qaeda have also asserted responsibility for organizing the September 11 attacks. It is believed that Osama bin Laden, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and Mohammed Atefwere the ones who plotted the attacks after meeting together in 1999. It is also believed Khalid Sheikh Mohamm…

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Osama Bin Laden's 9/11 Confession (2001) Video - ABC News
Osama Bin Laden's 9/11 Confession (2001) Video - ABC News
May 02, 2011 · '20/20' reporter sat down with al Qaeda leader three years before 9/11 attacks. Osama Bin Laden: Mastermind of 9/11 Attacks. Terrorist leader takes credit for one of America's most tragic

 

[joko104]

I don't think its fair to equate the two. The 2001 AUMF clearly gave the president the authority to go after Bin Laden.

That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.​

I do not see any way to read the 2001 AUMF or the 2002 AUMF which would give the president the right to attack Iran in Iraq without the consent of the democratic government of Iraq.

Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists - Wikipedia
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-107publ243/html/PLAW-107publ243.htm

Don't be ridiculous. President Obama ordered more bombings and attacks without Congressional approval - more countries than any president since WW2.

Countries bombed by the U.S. under Obama administration - CNNPolitics

For Libya, it was outright war specifically to overthrow the government, kill the leader and kill the leader's family. There was no Congressional authorization to go to war against Libya nor the other bombings, other than the general vast war powers of the president.

The Democratic party and so many of their minions so incessantly and hypocritically lie it is a very real and dangerous psychosis that essentially is suicidal in nature.

 

[joko104]

This man was declared a terrorist by Barack Obama which apparently you and others didn't know nor care to find out. Now we have the military community responding, what do you liberals think of the following?

Retired Green Beret slams Dems, says Army community buried Americans killed by Soleimani | Fox News

That's the point. The Democratic Party doesn't care if AMERICANS are killed. That's fine. They even like since Trump is president. The Democratic Party now is 100% open that Iran's military may kill any and all Americans they want - anywhere in the world, may assassinate our president, and may attack the continental United States - while demanding that the Iranian military is immune from counter attack or our military taking any defensive actions.

The Democratic Party wants Americans to die. It always has. Over 90% of American war deaths have been under Democratic leadership. The most deadly war in US history was by Democrats. The Democratic Party has always been in the war, death and destruction business from day 1 thru today. If there is a way to get Americans killed, the Democratic Party is for it.

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

That's the point. The Democratic Party doesn't care if AMERICANS are killed. That's fine. They even like since Trump is president. The Democratic Party now is 100% open that Iran's military may kill any and all Americans they want - anywhere in the world, may assassinate our president, and may attack the continental United States - while demanding that the Iranian military is immune from counter attack or our military taking any defensive actions.

The Democratic Party wants Americans to die. It always has. Over 90% of American war deaths have been under Democratic leadership. The most deadly war in US history was by Democrats. The Democratic Party has always been in the war, death and destruction business from day 1 thru today. If there is a way to get Americans killed, the Democratic Party is for it.

That does seem to be their history, right from the Civil War to WWI, WWII, and Vietnam. Obama's pulling out of Iraq in December, 2011 when there was relative peace, was inexcusable and left the area in the turmoil we see today.

 

[Mithros]

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Al Qaeda took responsibility for the Attacks of 9/11. Osama bin Laden was the leader of al Qaeda on 9/11.....

Responsibility for the September 11 attacks
Responsibility for the September 11 attacks - Wikipedia
Two weeks after the September 11 attacks, the Federal Bureau of Investigation connected the hijackers to al-Qaeda, a global, decentralized terrorist network. In a number of video, audio, interview and printed statements, senior members of al-Qaeda have also asserted responsibility for organizing the September 11 attacks. It is believed that Osama bin Laden, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and Mohammed Atefwere the ones who plotted the attacks after meeting together in 1999. It is also believed Khalid Sheikh Mohamm…

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Osama Bin Laden's 9/11 Confession (2001) Video - ABC News
Osama Bin Laden's 9/11 Confession (2001) Video - ABC News
May 02, 2011 · '20/20' reporter sat down with al Qaeda leader three years before 9/11 attacks. Osama Bin Laden: Mastermind of 9/11 Attacks. Terrorist leader takes credit for one of America's most tragic

Exactly.. and the 2001 AUMF expressly authorizes military action against perpetrators.

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

Well that's a new way to ignore history. But sure whatever. Have fun getting into another undeclared war in the middle east just to own the libs. I'm sure you guys will be the first to volunteer.

What undeclared war?

 

[maxparrish]

Not wanting to go to war is nothing like crying and gushing tears over killing anyone. What ridiculous hyperbole, if you wanna call it that. If it made sense it would be hyperbole. It's just stupid angry nonsense

Its not anger you are reading, its disgust. "Not wanting to go to war" has always had the meaning, for the left, 'let the enemy use US soldiers and civilians as sacrificial victims because to resist causes evil conflict'. The US left is no better than an abused spouse, claiming 'we have to take it' because 'its our fault they want to beat us'. And heaven forbid if the abused strike back...oh dear...that just makes it worse.

You want to side with your abuser, that's fine. But the rest of us aren't going to whine and cry when someone has the backbone to finally act. I don't know if the choice Trump made was the choice I'd make, but I sure as hell know that the general (and many like him) had it coming.

 

[maxparrish]

Well that's a new way to ignore history. But sure whatever. Have fun getting into another undeclared war in the middle east just to own the libs. I'm sure you guys will be the first to volunteer.

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If I could I would, just as I am you guys would head to Canada if you got a draft notice.

 

[Geoist]

Putin has nothing to do with it.

Perhaps not. Some are claiming this assassination proves Trump isn’t a puppet to Putin. I ask how.

 

[Geoist]

A submarine with a screen door would be leaking everything.

Yes it would. Do I need to explain to you how metaphors work?

 

[Hypothetical]

gee nancy , he was in iraq stirring the ****, instigating attacks on the US embassy and got nailed.. what more detail do you need?

 

[Geoist]

Do you realize you should've quoted the OP with your post?

The OP’s post backs up what I’m saying. Now with Trump’s attack Iran will want more weapons from Russia.

 

[roguenuke]

The biggest problem will be if we lose the Iraqi Guard. Then, we will be asked to leave the country.

While I think leaving the country is a good thing, to be thrown-out pisses on all the boys that spilled their blood. Trump is total garbage. A recent poll shows Trump's favorables are underwater with active military members, with fully 1/2 unhappy with him. So he seems to slowly be losing the military, and his current actions and their fall-out will likely not help.

As someone who has been through the Strait of Hormuz, this jacks up the fear level of any Sailor going through to 11 on a scale of 10. And that is the only way into the Persian Gulf. It is not a trivial attack at all with "only" consequences I hear/see some Trump supporters talking about. Going through there was scary in 2000/2003. It would be terrifying to go through now as we are a huge target and they could certainly use the attack on their general to justify an attack on us, claiming we are invading their sovereign waterways (they've been trying to claim greater than 12 nautical miles for decades) and we escalated.

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[joko104]

Democrats Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, Sanders and Warren - to name just 5 - literally are traitors opening engaging in treason, ie "aid and comfort to the enemy." All of 5 literally are now acting as the spokesperson for Iranian government, repeating word for word Iran's government's threats and attacks against the United States. They are rushing to microphones to recite every talking point of Iran in a contest over which of them more loves Iran, more hates the USA and is more a traitor engaging in treason.

When this country acted rationally, all 5 would already be in federal prison and in solitary to stop their being propaganda agents for Iran and doing what Iran is telling them to do in Congress. They truly are pure traitors openly engaging in treason.

Remember, Democratic liberals openly loved Hitler and Stalin too. Time Magazine Man Of The Year. Praises reaped on them by American Democratic liberals. So it is no surprise Democratic leadership now act as Iranian agents within the US government and publicly to do whatever the Iranian government continues to order them to do.