Pelosi says Trump carried out strike on Iranian commander without authorization and she wants detail

[NeverTrump]

They might as well. This political hate has gone too far. The way Pelosi and the democrats are acting Trump has no authority as President of this country. That is what is wrong with this country right now. Too much micromanaging by the left. If they want to uphold the constitution then bring Obama up on charges for executing an American citizen. That is about as blatant as it gets when it comes to absolute disregard for our constitution and rights. He might as well have burned our flag with the Iranians.

We are allowed to criticize the President, if you don't want to live in a country that allows checks and balances, you can move to North Korea.

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

We are allowed to criticize the President, if you don't want to live in a country that allows checks and balances, you can move to North Korea.

Of course everyone is allowed to criticize the president, there is the First Amendment, and this freedom extends to not very bright people with little grasp of historical reality also. What makes you think you're not allowed to criticize the President?

All many are asking is that criticisms are done so intelligently, and with some perspective. That's often not the case.

 

[prometeus]

All many are asking is that criticisms are done so intelligently, and with some perspective. That's often not the case.

That is a reasonable request. On the other hand it is a good thing that the incessant Trump's ass kissing goes on with no regard for such qualifiers.

 

[Atomic Kid]

They all knew of Soleimani's involvement with terrorism, the shaping of Iranian foreign policy and the murder of Americans, but were reluctant to act because of the unknown potentials. Trump is satisfied that the risk is worth it and will respond to any action Iran may now take.

Given the killings in the Middle East prior to Trump's arrival, including genocide, it seems he made a good move.

Prior Presidents and other national leaders were reluctant to to take this action because the potentials WERE KNOWN. He's a high ranking general in the Iranian military. He wasn't some non-state terrorist leader. We essentially assassinated a ranking state actor of a country we were not at war with. That's an act of war. And please spare us the BS that Trump the cares anything about the killings, or genocide in the Middle East. It didn't take him even 5 minutes to serve up the Kurds on a plate to Erdogan. Never once said a peep about Russian air attacks deliberately targeting civilians and hospitals in Syria. Heck that's why he supposedly wanted us out of the Middle East. Because these endless were just not worth the expending of American blood and treasure. Unless you "take their oil" of course. Then it's fine. So what makes this conflict worth it? Especially when it didn't need to have happened at all.

 

[Integrityrespec]

I'm sure they'll be willing to share that intel and all decision-related materials leading up to the strike with appropriate House committees. /s



Also, How long until we until find out Trump was fed intel by Putin on this directly during his Christmas phone call? Putin is in the middle of selling weapons to Iran and meddling in the affairs of Ukraine...

Pelosi says Trump carried out strike on Iranian commander without authorization and she wants details

He doesn't have to get the authorization from the Congress for what he ordered. Nancy is delirious. She thinks she has control over everything the country does these days.

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

That is a reasonable request. On the other hand it is a good thing that the incessant Trump's ass kissing goes on with no regard for such qualifiers.

Is this your idea of intelligent comment?

 

[prometeus]

Is this your idea of intelligent comment?

Proportional with your post(s).

 

[NeverTrump]

Of course everyone is allowed to criticize the president, there is the First Amendment, and this freedom extends to not very bright people with little grasp of historical reality also. What makes you think you're not allowed to criticize the President?

All many are asking is that criticisms are done so intelligently, and with some perspective. That's often not the case.

But you guys don't debate us, you tell us to stop supporting Iran, when we are concerned that this effort will lead us into war with Iran, which is what I assume most sane people don't want.

 

[Fletch]

Perhaps not. Some are claiming this assassination proves Trump isn’t a puppet to Putin. I ask how.

Im not here to bring Collusion Truthers to the light.

 

[Conservative]

Soleimani was not put a terrorist list by Obama. The US and UN placed Soleimani on a sanctions list in 2007. It was Trump who put IRGC on the list of terrorist organizations even though it is an arm of the Iranian state and thus not a non-state actor. Why do you believe everything Dear Leader tells you? How many 'attacks' on diplomatic compounds that you know of, and there have been very many, have ever resulted in being followed up by an act of war?

Typical left wing rhetoric and total ignorance of history, Obama was in charge when Soleimani was placed on that list by Obama in 2011. Not sure what is wrong with you but I am sure it has a lot to do with the Deep State and pure hatred for Trump. You people really need to get a life

Educate yourself

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The U.S. designated Soleimani a global terrorist in 2011. In April 2019, the U.S. took the unprecedented step of ​

designating the IRGC-QF

a foreign terrorist organization, the first time that part of another government had received that designation.​

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[Fred C Dobbs II]

But you guys don't debate us, you tell us to stop supporting Iran, when we are concerned that this effort will lead us into war with Iran, which is what I assume most sane people don't want.

No one in any of the democracies wants war. I think we an take that as a given.

However there have been many occasions when non-democracies become threats to others, including their own people, and how we should respond.

Many feel. myself among them, that turning on each other is counterproductive. I'm not sure that attacking the president will have any positive effect on the Iranian leadership, or halt their attacks. History tells us that appeasing these belligerents doesn't work.

However if you feel that attacking the US President might bring peace to the Middle East then continue with your program. I doubt that it will be effective however and will argue against it. I support what President Trump has done, and that he'll be receiving a great deal of international support. Even the Democrats may soon change their tune, as they should.

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

Typical left wing rhetoric and total ignorance of history, Obama was in charge when Soleimani was placed on that list by Obama in 2011. Not sure what is wrong with you but I am sure it has a lot to do with the Deep State and pure hatred for Trump. You people really need to get a life

Educate yourself

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They cannot tell the difference between the Iranian leadership being anti Trump and their long history of anti Americanism. Because of TDS they feel the Ayatollahs must be the good guys.

 

[Anthony60]

Yes it would. Do I need to explain to you how metaphors work?

No, not to me.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

We are allowed to criticize the President, if you don't want to live in a country that allows checks and balances, you can move to North Korea.

I have no problem of you and I criticizing our government. That is our right. However our leaders work for the people of this country not a party. Otherwise we might as well get used to something similar to the Nazi party taking over in this country. That is the end result of party rule. I am not ready for a swastika over the top of the Capitol or the White House. That is where this hate will take us. We need to unite our government against all enemies and Iran is not an ally but clearly and enemy.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Typical left wing rhetoric and total ignorance of history, Obama was in charge when Soleimani was placed on that list by Obama in 2011. Not sure what is wrong with you but I am sure it has a lot to do with the Deep State and pure hatred for Trump. You people really need to get a life

Educate yourself

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Not sure what is wrong with you other you must be so functionally illiterate that you can't tell the difference between a terrorist group/organization list kept by the US, and the UN sanction list. Trump feeds you total BS. That you just not only eagerly lap up. You then ask; 'please sir can I have some more?'. Jesus, what a blind fool you are.

 

[Thoreau72]

No one in any of the democracies wants war. I think we an take that as a given.

However there have been many occasions when non-democracies become threats to others, including their own people, and how we should respond.

Many feel. myself among them, that turning on each other is counterproductive. I'm not sure that attacking the president will have any positive effect on the Iranian leadership, or halt their attacks. History tells us that appeasing these belligerents doesn't work.

However if you feel that attacking the US President might bring peace to the Middle East then continue with your program. I doubt that it will be effective however and will argue against it. I support what President Trump has done, and that he'll be receiving a great deal of international support. Even the Democrats may soon change their tune, as they should.

Beside the retaliation missile strikes yesterday, when has Iran attacked us?

How did they retaliate when we shot down their airliner back in the 80's?

 

[roguenuke]

I have read your statement and they make no sense, what are the consequences of killing a terrorist who masterminded the attack on the U.S. Embassy in Iraq and is responsible for killing hundreds of Americans? Isn't that the job of the President?

More killings of Americans, under a more united government who has an excuse now to claim legitimacy in doing it.

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[Conservative]

Not sure what is wrong with you other you must be so functionally illiterate that you can't tell the difference between a terrorist group/organization list kept by the US, and the UN sanction list. Trump feeds you total BS. That you just not only eagerly lap up. You then ask; 'please sir can I have some more?'. Jesus, what a blind fool you are.

There is nothing wrong with me but you certainly seem to have a problem driven purely by hatred and ignorance of the Constitution. Calling me a fool is typical leftwing rhetoric when you cannot refute the logic and common sense. Trump and Obama both did their jobs in getting terrorists who attacked this country. Maybe one of these days you will realize what a fool the left has made out of you

 

[Conservative]

More killings of Americans, under a more united government who has an excuse now to claim legitimacy in doing it.

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OMG!! Iran doesn't need an excuse to kill Americans and has been doing it for decades. Your support for Iran is appreciated by the radical left. Both Obama and Trump did exactly what the Constitution requires a President to do. We were attacked and the planner of those attacks is now dead. thank you Presidents Obama and Trump for doing your job

 

[MSgt]

There will never be a war as there was in WWI and II but there will be attacks on targeted areas, military and nonMilitary, such as 9/1I, the USS Cole, Beirut, and hundreds of others. Smaller attacks designed to destroy western confidence, create fear, and give more credibility to these fanatical groups than they deserve. Even now many Americans, and others, cower at how Iran will respond while Trump/Pompeo rightly understand that it's the Iranian leadership who should be nervous.

They cower because they don't understand Iran and have long been led down a path where Iran is supposed to be the regional boogeyman. 9/11 and the Cole were from the Sunni, not Iran, and to this day there is absolutely not a single shred of evidence linking Beirut to Iran. The evidence actually suggests that Iran was not behind it.

As Iran just demonstrated with the attack on Al Asad, they are calculating and not interested in a war. They could have easily targeted Americans and killed them. Instead, they targeted a remote base in the middle of nowhere, and targeted non-lethal areas within. This was about leaving an exit strategy for both them and the U.S. Unless Trump's ego leads the way again, this was a de-escalating move that helped satisfy Iranian anger without shedding American blood.

In fact the ideological war, though not mentioned much in this instance, is still with radical Islam, and has been since the collapse of the USSR.
I think you're still talking of conventional waar, which will not happen. It is a matter of will and 'death by a thousand cuts'. We can easily see this process has served the Iranian regime well and the fear radical Islam has created in the West.

But you are speaking of something that is vastly a Sunni issue, not Shia. Iran's interests is regional and is not about sewing terror. It never has been. Their interests are about their Shia populations, who are oppressed under Sunni governments, and Israel. Other interests involve economic sanction relief, which means not escalating tensions with the U.S. while grooming greater relationships with Russia and China.

You're certainly not talking of conventional warfare here. If Trump was to get serious it would be Shock and Awe times 20 and Iran could do nothing. They can only hope Trump would do an Obama, and that's unlikely..

A shock and awe campaign would absolutely push Iran to do exactly what you described above. At this point, they are still not interested in escalating what we started.

As with Iraq, Israel would stay on the sidelines though their enemies would want to include Israel. Saddam certainly wanted that.
There's always a war of some sort going on in the ME but it's difficult to keep it there.

Unlike the situation with Saddam Hussein, Iran has Hezbollah consistently harassing Israel. Saddam had no proxy friends and thus looked for Sunni governments to rally. Iran would simply kill the resttraints on Hezbollah and their militant offshoots.

You're right again, but it's probably better than Iranian intelligence.

In regards to this region, it is not. Our CIA has long proven to be clueless and our history shows our White House Administrations at consistent odds with local Intel that would be helpful if we only stopped and started listening. This has been true with Pakistan's ISI, Iran's Intelligence Ministry, and The House of Saud. We usually ignore the advice given from people who know their people best because we want to run the show that we don't understand. Bulls in a china shop.

 

[cabse5]

The OP’s post backs up what I’m saying. Now with Trump’s attack Iran will want more weapons from Russia.

Why? To defend against the US or supply its many proxies engaged in war around the world?

 

[Geoist]

Im not here to bring Collusion Truthers to the light.

Well that’s disappointing.

 

[Ringo Stalin]

Nancy Pelosi called on U.S. President Donald Trump to end provocations against Iran... I'm not talking about whether Trump is good or bad. I’m saying that “stop provocations” are called for by the Democrats, those who bombed Serbia, destroyed Libya and set fire to Ukraine. It seems that if someday the US president does not start a single war, it will be the character of some science fiction novel.

 

[roguenuke]

OMG!! Iran doesn't need an excuse to kill Americans and has been doing it for decades. Your support for Iran is appreciated by the radical left. Both Obama and Trump did exactly what the Constitution requires a President to do. We were attacked and the planner of those attacks is now dead. thank you Presidents Obama and Trump for doing your job

What is it with Trump supporters trying to change what is said to hyperbolic nonsense? This isnt support for Iran. Its caution against doing stupid illegal actions that can cost us credibility and allies, while also uniting an enemy country that was already hostile but was previously fractured against us.

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[PIPEWRENCH]

Nancy Pelosi called on U.S. President Donald Trump to end provocations against Iran... I'm not talking about whether Trump is good or bad. I’m saying that “stop provocations” are called for by the Democrats, those who bombed Serbia, destroyed Libya and set fire to Ukraine. It seems that if someday the US president does not start a single war, it will be the character of some science fiction novel.

More lies again about how Trump will start another war. Talk about crying wolf. Enough already. There will continue to be war in the Middle East just like there has been for thousands of years. If you want to know when this world will come to an end it will be when there is peace in the Middle East.