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Paul Ryan represents the tight wad,fiscal hawk side of the right.

Bobcat said:
thread is a joke. Anyone who does not realize that the country is in a financial crisis, has been living under a rock. Ryan and Romney offer solutions, obama only offers more of the same.

We simply cannot continue to spend more than we take in. Obama and the libs just cannot grasp that reality.
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I think you are half right.

Obama offers no solutions.

But Romney is only slightly better.

Under both their plans - America ends up bankrupt...just a tad faster under Obama.


They are both pathetic candidates imo.
 
Bobcat said:
thread is a joke. Anyone who does not realize that the country is in a financial crisis, has been living under a rock. Ryan and Romney offer solutions, obama only offers more of the same.

We simply cannot continue to spend more than we take in. Obama and the libs just cannot grasp that reality.
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the parasite support team wants to tax the rich more so the sheep think the government has more money to spend on THEM
 
TheNextEra said:
It's amazing how all the so called "fiscal" conservatives rally and cry when there is a Dem in the whitehouse, but are amazingly silent with their vote against a Republican PResident that overspends.
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not true, most of us were saying the same things when bush became a liberal in his second term. conservatives are consistent.
 
TurtleDude said:
the parasite support team wants to tax the rich more so the sheep think the government has more money to spend on THEM
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And the greedy piece of **** lawyers and corporate supporting chodes want to tax the poor and continue to get their kickbacks under a so called "trickle down" policy that never worked. What's a bunch of lawyers at the bottom of the sea? A good start.
 
James D Hill said:
Paul Ryan is an intellegent and well spoken member of the slash and burn side of GOP politics. He makes cutting entitlements in the middle of a downturn almost sound like a nice thing to do. He almot makes it seem like his party had nothing to do with this mess we are in and it is all the President and the liberals fault.

Well we are not buying the bitter medicene Mr Ryan is selling. The Ryan budget was unpopular and He took major heat from his own distict. There needs to be a more balenced approach. We can't slash entitlements when people need them the most and conservatives need to wait until this mess is over until we adress entitlements.
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The problem with this approach is that with Keynsian economics, you spend and cut taxes in down times... raise taxes and cut back on spending in good times. yet no politician will ever do that because they know that as soon as they raise taxes and make spending cuts, they will never get reelected.

There are several things in the Ryan budget that I do not agree with, but at least he can see the writing on the wall that we are headed to a train wreck.

(I ignored your comments about his social issues as you are hijacking your own thread on economics with social issues...)
 
TheNextEra said:
And the greedy piece of **** lawyers and corporate supporting chodes want to tax the poor and continue to get their kickbacks under a so called "trickle down" policy that never worked. What's a bunch of lawyers at the bottom of the sea? A good start.
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YOu are post confused ramblings.


that makes no sense

I want government to stay out of afflicting the comfortable to buy the votes of the alleged afflicted. if you want something PAY FOR IT-don't demand others pay your bills.
 
Chiefgator said:
The problem with this approach is that with Keynsian economics, you spend and cut taxes in down times... raise taxes and cut back on spending in good times. yet no politician will ever do that because they know that as soon as they raise taxes and make spending cuts, they will never get reelected.
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Bill Clinton did it ... and got reelected.
 
TurtleDude said:
YOu are post confused ramblings.

that makes no sense
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You're right, your post makes no sense "You are post confused ramblings"?

Lay off the sauce in the morning.

TurtleDude said:
I want government to stay out of afflicting the comfortable to buy the votes of the alleged afflicted. if you want something PAY FOR IT-don't demand others pay your bills.
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No, you support corporate welfare and tax cuts for the rich. All government sponsored.
 
AdamT said:
Bill Clinton did it ... and got reelected.
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clinton was saved by the dot com bubble, the market soared on worthless paper and he got reelected. it had nothing to do with his tax policy.
 
TheNextEra said:
You're right, your post makes no sense "You are post confused ramblings"?

Lay off the sauce in the morning.




No, you support corporate welfare and tax cuts for the rich. All government sponsored.
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I have asked several of you libs but no one has answered. Exactly what tax cuts for the rich are being proposed by romney and ryan?

you keep saying it so you must know what they are. Please tell us exactly which taxes they want to cut that will benefit only the rich.
 
Bobcat said:
I have asked several of you libs but no one has answered. Exactly what tax cuts for the rich are being proposed by romney and ryan?

you keep saying it so you must know what they are. Please tell us exactly which taxes they want to cut that will benefit only the rich.
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Still waiting, libs. anyone


hello



anybody there?
 
Bobcat said:
I have asked several of you libs but no one has answered. Exactly what tax cuts for the rich are being proposed by romney and ryan?

you keep saying it so you must know what they are. Please tell us exactly which taxes they want to cut that will benefit only the rich.
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Corporate taxes and LTCG taxes being reduced. Do you think poor people own companies or own LTCG?
 
lpast said:
Sure lets talk...lets talk about outsourcing that sent most of the decent middleclass paying jobs out of the country...and put millions of workers that were paying taxs not only out of work but many on the public dole...so the rich could get piggier rich.
Lets talk about the full 50% cut in taxs the rich have gotten over the past 20 yrs that vastly added to our debt to enhance their piggyness.
Lets talk about the top 12 corporations in this country that paid ZERO in taxs in 2010 on billions of dollars...and gave out hundreds of millions in bonus.
Lets talk about all the big corporations that got multi billion dollar taxpayer bailouts for their CEOs FAILING and committing criminal acts...and who still gave out hundreds of millions in TAXPAYER paid salaries and BONUS.
Lets talk about GWBush who started this downward spiral and gave away the first billion to SAVE BIG BANKS THAT ARE TOO BIG TO FAIL because we allowed them to get so big by taking away the regulations.
Lets talk about GWbush who started the biggest and most costly social program that has added greatly to the debt of medicare...only TO PROTECT THE BIG DRUG COMPANIES from a huge backlash that had formed...when the american people especially SENIOR americans became aware that only US CITIZENS were enriching our superrich pharmaceutical companies....other countries paid pennies on the dollar...and even countries with similar cost of living and Quality of Life paid LESS THAN HALF like Canada and England and France...than our "PIG" corporations were raping their own here for in the United States....
Lets talk about industries that make hundreds of billions everyear...ROB AMERICA daily and get TAXPAYER subsidies to the tune of billions every year FOR DOING NOTHING but raping us. Big Oil and Big Farms...ethanol one of the biggest rape of taxpayers in history
Big oil has gotten billions upon billions in subsidies...and just pocketed all that money while robbing us at the pump at will....they havent built a SINGLE new refinery...they havent expanded their refining capabilities in the USA in decades...

Yeah lets talk about the debt Grim....LETS REALLY TALK ABOUT IT....and not do the conservative tap dance...Oh the rich pay for everything they are being robbed by the govt...the good sweet darling 2% need another tax cut because they are so overburdened and downtrodden....its those goddamn pesky out of work americans who dont have anything thats the cause of every single thing thats wrong with the United States....all we have to do is get rid of all public workers and all unions....and the RICH WILL SAVE US FROM EVERYTHING .....

Lets talk about the debt grim...and set aside all the conservative bullchit and talk the real deal....theres plenty to talk about
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Two pictures are worth two thousand words...

Lets compare 8 years of Bush vs. 4 years of Obama:

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You know, if it would have at least accoplished something, it might have been worth it... But since our nations economy is still in the toilet, I would say we were ripped off by Obama and his promices... Buh bye Mr. "hope & change"
 
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TheNextEra said:
You're right, your post makes no sense "You are post confused ramblings"?

Lay off the sauce in the morning.




No, you support corporate welfare and tax cuts for the rich. All government sponsored.
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you have been around long enough to understand you have lied about my position on corporate welfare (whatever that means). I do support tax cuts on the rich until they are paying the same rate as everyone else on income. BTW I oppose income taxes-I want taxes on consumption. the rich are the only group that pay a higher percentage of the income tax burden than their share of the income. that needs to change
 
James D Hill said:
Paul Ryan is an intellegent and well spoken member of the slash and burn side of GOP politics. He makes cutting entitlements in the middle of a downturn almost sound like a nice thing to do. He almot makes it seem like his party had nothing to do with this mess we are in and it is all the President and the liberals fault.

Well we are not buying the bitter medicene Mr Ryan is selling. The Ryan budget was unpopular and He took major heat from his own distict. There needs to be a more balenced approach. We can't slash entitlements when people need them the most and conservatives need to wait until this mess is over until we adress entitlements.

What about the social issue's that the conservatives suck at? They seem to not want to talk about the fact that the base of their party is a bunch of Jesus freaks and throw them in jail for everything rednecks. These morons would come out of the woodwork if we where stupid enough to elect Romney. Just look at what happened at the state level. Yes they may not want us to think about the ugly social conservative side of their party but we know those morons are waiting in the background. No thank you.
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What is it about liberals that have to lie about what Ryan has proposed? Are you so desparate to re-elect this empty suit with a terrible economic record that you would continue to perpetuate lie after lie. Ryan isn't cutting anything and any senior today isn't affected by the change at all and those under the age of 55 will have better choices than they have right now. It does seem that honesty isn't a trait found in Obama or his supporters.

If only the country had 4.5% unemployment and a balanced budget like it had in MA with Romney as Governor
 
AdamT said:
Bill Clinton did it ... and got reelected.
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Bill Clinton signed GOP Congressional budgets as well as implemented most of the Contract with America. Obama is no Bill Clinton
 
TheNextEra said:
Corporate taxes and LTCG taxes being reduced. Do you think poor people own companies or own LTCG?
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OK, corporate taxes----when corporations have to pay lower tax rates what happens? 1. they can charge lower prices for their products, 2. they can hire more employees, 3. they can use the money on expansion or improvements or new equipment. those actions help everyone, not just the rich. minus one for you

LTCG, long term capital gains----this would benefit everyone who has a 401K or an IRA, not just the rich. minus two for you.
 
James D Hill said:
Paul Ryan is an intellegent and well spoken member of the slash and burn side of GOP politics. He makes cutting entitlements in the middle of a downturn almost sound like a nice thing to do. He almot makes it seem like his party had nothing to do with this mess we are in and it is all the President and the liberals fault.

Well we are not buying the bitter medicene Mr Ryan is selling. The Ryan budget was unpopular and He took major heat from his own distict. There needs to be a more balenced approach. We can't slash entitlements when people need them the most and conservatives need to wait until this mess is over until we adress entitlements.

What about the social issue's that the conservatives suck at? They seem to not want to talk about the fact that the base of their party is a bunch of Jesus freaks and throw them in jail for everything rednecks. These morons would come out of the woodwork if we where stupid enough to elect Romney. Just look at what happened at the state level. Yes they may not want us to think about the ugly social conservative side of their party but we know those morons are waiting in the background. No thank you.
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Videos surface of Dems, including President Obama, praising Paul Ryan | Fox News
 
JRog said:
And ended his term with a budget surplus...
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Sorry, there was no budget surplus during the Clinton term but liberals love to spout the lie perpetuated by the ignorance of the budget process. What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty? If there was a budget surplus there wouldn't be a deficit each year nor a debt increase. Liberals cannot explain how there can be a surplus and deficit and debt increase. The answer is simple, there wasn't one.
 
Bobcat said:
1. they can charge lower prices for their products
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Haha, no. That doesn't happen. The goal of a corporation is not to reduce prices, it's to maximize profits. Tax savings go to the bottom line directly.

2. they can hire more employees
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Corporations don't hire based on tax cuts. They hire based on the need for employees. Any corporation that needs employees will hire regardless of taxes. Any corporation that doesn't need employees but hires them anyway with tax savings will be looking for new executive management in the near future.

What corporations have learned in the past few years is that employees (when faced with a bad job market) will work longer and harder for the "privilege" to have a job.

3. they can use the money on expansion or improvements or new equipment.
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While tax breaks *might* provide enough capital for expansion, no expansion will occur without demand for goods and services.

LTCG, long term capital gains----this would benefit everyone who has a 401K or an IRA, not just the rich. minus two for you.
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The Capital Gains tax is a progressive (as opposed to regressive) tax break. This means that it benefits people of higher income more than those of lower incomes. While we all benefit directly from LTCG tax rates, most of us are not able to derive our income almost exclusively from capital gains like many of of the nation's wealthiest.
 
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