Paul Ryan is an excellent choice for Vice President!

[johnny_rebson]

What about VA and Federal Employee programs. They're entitlements.

So is medicaid. Shall we just let them die in the streets?

And the agriculture price support programs? Has one GOP ever stated we need to look at those?

I'm not suprised that you liberals would want to cut benefits that go to our brave men in the military.

 

[Porchev]

What about VA and Federal Employee programs. They're entitlements.

So is medicaid. Shall we just let them die in the streets?

And the agriculture price support programs? Has one GOP ever stated we need to look at those?

If reforms aren't done to save entitlement programs, then they will bankrupt the country and none of them will be there. That is why Ryan (who's Mom is on Medicare by the way) want to do things to fix these programs that are unsustainable in their current formats.

 

[AdamT]

I'm not suprised that you liberals would want to cut benefits that go to our brave men in the military.

Democrats, including Obama, have consistently supported our veterans -- often over Republican objections.

 

[Born Free]

His ideas have given us the fastest growing major economy in the free world. Romney's policies are the same as the ones that got us into this mess to begin with and have put the Euroxone back in recession.. Going back to them is insane.

Who are you talking about, if it's Obama, Obama has more unemployed today than when he took office. The GDP is an anemic 1.5%, and he raised our national debt by almost 6 trillion in just 4 yrs, and please explain what we got for it. Other than handing down a heavy load of debt to future generations that will suffer a lower standard of living to pay back for our greedy entitlements that there is no money to pay for.

 

[NateNY3]

I'm not suprised that you liberals would want to cut benefits that go to our brave men in the military.

VA Care End Eyed for 1.3 Million Vets
Budget Panel Eyes End to VA Care for 1.3 Million Vets

The House Budget Committee, chaired by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), has told a veterans' group it is studying a plan to save $6 billion annually in VA health care costs by cancelling enrollment of any veteran who doesn't have a service-related medical condition and is not poor.

Committee Republicans, searching for ways to curb federal deficits and rein in galloping VA costs, are targeting 1.3 million veterans who claim priority group 7 or 8 status and have access to VA care.

Priority group 8 veterans have no service-connected disabilities and annual incomes, or net worth, that exceed VA means-test thresholds and VA "geographic income" thresholds, which are set by family size.

Priority Group 7 veterans also have no service-connected disabilities and their incomes are above the means-test thresholds. But their incomes or net worth fall below the geographic index. In other words, because of where they live, in high cost areas, they likely struggle financially.

VA Care End Eyed for 1.3 Million Vets

 

[Arbo]

You forgot IMO again...maybe you should write it down so you don't forget...

Last I checked this was a thread about Paul Ryan and his credentials to be VP. If you don't care that he has done virtually nothing on HIS OWN in 13 yrs, that's totally fine by me. That is YOUR choice. To sit there and tell me what I should think of his ineptitude, is really not your place.

You forgot to link your original post to where it came from: Huffington Post. Oh my. And even with that, there is no data to support it. No wonder you don't have the ability to look at the records of other's in the legislature to see what a hypocrite you are being on this point.

To give you a little help, you can start here: Sponsor/Cosponsor Summaries - 112th Congress (2011-2012) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

 

[hazlnut]

I'm not suprised that you liberals would want to cut benefits that go to our brave men in the military.

Where did I say that?

I was trying to get you better informed on what entitlements are? Most have to be earned.

 

[NateNY3]

You forgot to link your original post to where it came from: Huffington Post. Oh my. And even with that, there is no data to support it. No wonder you don't have the ability to look at the records of other's in the legislature to see what a hypocrite you are being on this point.

To give you a little help, you can start here: Sponsor/Cosponsor Summaries - 112th Congress (2011-2012) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Did you look at your link?

A. It doesn't even show how many of his bills were passed - so FAIL on your part
B. The numbers actually are even more embarrassing than I thought. In 13 yrs he only sponsored 7 bills and 1 amendment...IN 13 ****ING YRS!!!!

I don't care about the others. This thread is about RYAN. Are you really too stupid to comprehend this?

 

[hazlnut]

Democrats, including Obama, have consistently supported our veterans -- often over Republican objections.

I was trying to point out to him that entitlements cover more than medicare.

Nobody ever wants to talk about cutting back on Cadillac health care benefits for senators' families.

 

[OpportunityCost]

What about VA and Federal Employee programs. They're entitlements.

So is medicaid. Shall we just let them die in the streets?

And the agriculture price support programs? Has one GOP ever stated we need to look at those?

More than one.

Plow 'em under: Time to end farm subsidies - Chicago Tribune

Farm state lawmakers know they hold a strong hand in any election year, even though both Republicans and Democrats targeted ag subsidies in recent budget proposals. Time and again Congress has proven unwilling to pay the political price for imposing fiscal sanity on this clout-rich sector. With the 2012 farm bill looming, agriculture's friends on Capitol Hill have every incentive to exaggerate the threat, then take credit for fending off budget cuts in the end.

The coming year might be different, however. Republican presidential candidates do not uniformly pander to the farm lobby. While former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney remains a supporter of ethanol, Texas Gov. Rick Perry not long ago led a spirited attack on government mandates for the corn-brewed fuel. Rep. Michele Bachmann has a history of denouncing farm programs and other government intervention in the marketplace. It's not a full-blown revolution, but with the tea party pushing hard for spending cuts, the political debate over agriculture has become much less predictable. President Barack Obama is seeking $33 billion in farm spending cuts over the next decade as part of his latest deficit plan.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Where did I say that?

I was trying to get you better informed on what entitlements are? Most have to be earned.

...? The primary recipients of welfare are children and their parents. Im not sure how they earned it, other than having to deal with the bad life choices they made or their parents did and have to make their way out of poverty.

The alternative is letting them starve and Im not sure I can get behind that. But earned seems dubious.

 

[hazlnut]

...? The primary recipients of welfare are children and their parents. Im not sure how they earned it, other than having to deal with the bad life choices they made or their parents did and have to make their way out of poverty.

The alternative is letting them starve and Im not sure I can get behind that. But earned seems dubious.

Food stamps and medicaid are only one type of entitlement.

 

[Porchev]

I think it is great Ryan has proposed a budget with some ideas that will help get this country back on track fiscally. The Democrat controlled Senate has failed to pass a budget for 3 years and that is ridiculous. We need to vote out Obama and vote out some Senators this November and get America growing again economically and that will help everyone.

 

[Arbo]

Did you look at your link?

A. It doesn't even show how many of his bills were passed - so FAIL on your part
B. The numbers actually are even more embarrassing than I thought. In 13 yrs he only sponsored 7 bills and 1 amendment...IN 13 ****ING YRS!!!!

A. You have to actually put in effort. This isn't home where mom and dad do all the heavy lifting for you, this is real life. All the information is there, you just have to actually put forth effort. So yes, you have FAILED again.
B. You are looking at one congressional 'season'... it defaults to the recent congress, you can selected individual years and move back in time looking at each year. So again, your lack of effort has show yet again another FAIL for you.

I don't care about the others. This thread is about RYAN. Are you really too stupid to comprehend this?

There are valid reasons to stand against Ryan, your silly metric is not one of them. That you can't understand that is clear.

 

[NateNY3]

A. You have to actually put in effort. This isn't home where mom and dad do all the heavy lifting for you, this is real life. All the information is there, you just have to actually put forth effort. So yes, you have FAILED again.
B. You are looking at one congressional 'season'... it defaults to the recent congress, you can selected individual years and move back in time looking at each year. So again, your lack of effort has show yet again another FAIL for you.



There are valid reasons to stand against Ryan, your silly metric is not one of them. That you can't understand that is clear.

Ahhh, so you showed numbers for something we weren't even discussing? I didn't realize you were going to lie to me as well. Next time I'll know.

 

[Debra]

I think it is great Ryan has proposed a budget with some ideas that will help get this country back on track fiscally. The Democrat controlled Senate has failed to pass a budget for 3 years and that is ridiculous. We need to vote out Obama and vote out some Senators this November and get America growing again economically and that will help everyone.

Here learn something
Parliamentary procedure: Why the Senate hasn't passed a budget | The Economist

 

[iguanaman]

I find it ironic that 20% (about $3.0 trillion) of our national debt is owed to the social security and medicare funds, and that these funds are now being scapegoated for the federal budget problem.

Federal Debt Basics

Sooo....they want to borrow money for wars and tax cuts, which was withheld from employee wages for the purpose of social security and medicare benefits, not pay it back, and then blame these programs for their budget shortfalls....

Okay...:doh

I know what you mean about the trust funds. I believe they actually think they can welch on those IOU's. Now that SS is taking less in than it pays out, they are claiming it's broke.

 

[JRog]

I know what you mean about the trust funds. I believe they actually think they can welch on those IOU's. Now that SS is taking less in than it pays out, they are claiming it's broke.

The cost of retirement is getting greater, to the point where it exceeds the amount coming in, but when you consider the fact that social security is a regressive tax with a ceiling on taxable income, and the fact that it is missing out on all of the investment income the fund would have had if the money had not been borrowed (I'm sure the rate paid for the intragovernmental debt is pretty low), it's no wonder it's long-term forecast is grim. (Side note: Social Security is currently running as surplus, I believe).

In my view, if Social Security is an "entitlement program", as opponents like to call it, then it is a social welfare program, and there should be no tax ceiling, and it should only be available to those who need it (not to every retiree as it is now).

 

[The Barbarian]

The funniest part is that Romney signed a letter along with 27 other Republican Gov. in 2005 asking for the same "flexibility" that the HHS letter offers. Why would he demonize something he himself requested and thought was a good thing just a few years ago? oops I forgot we are talking about Mitt flip-flop Romney. Is there nothing he has done in public life that he believes in?


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/09/jay-carney/carney-says-romney-favored-welfare-forever-legisla/

flip flop Romney ??? is that anything like this .... ??

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure,” he said. “It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.” Senator Obama in 2006

Gee who was he blaming for having problems getting the debt ceiling raised just a year ago ???? is that what you mean by a flip flopping idiot ??

 

[Porchev]

Here learn something
Parliamentary procedure: Why the Senate hasn't passed a budget | The Economist

That is a a load of B.S.

This is closer to reality:

The budget process forces Congress to set priorities to protect the people’s money and put it to its appropriate use. Instead, the Democrat-controlled Senate has abdicated its responsibility. The result? The deficit is soaring, causing a looming tax burden and injecting uncertainty into the economy, leaving jobs and economic growth on the table. It’s no wonder the U.S. economy’s growth is so tepid.

As the 1,000th day nears, here are some facts about America’s budget and why the Senate must take action to be stewards of the people’s money as the Constitution requires:
•The last time the Senate passed a budget was on April 29, 2009.
•Since that date, the federal government has spent $9.4 trillion, adding $4.1 trillion in debt.
•As of January 20, the outstanding public debt stands at $15,240,174,635,409.
•Interest payments on the debt are now more than $200 billion per year.
•President Obama proposed a FY2012 budget last year, and the Senate voted it down 97–0. (And that budget was no prize—according to the Congressional Budget Office, that proposal never had an annual deficit of less than $748 billion, would double the national debt in 10 years and would see annual interest payments approach $1 trillion per year.)
•The Senate rejected House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan’s (R–WI) budget by 57–40 in May 2011, with no Democrats voting for it.
•In FY2011, Washington spent $3.6 trillion. Compare that to the last time the budget was balanced in 2001, when Washington spent $1.8 trillion ($2.1 trillion when you adjust for inflation).
•Entitlement spending will more than double by 2050. That includes spending on Medicare, Medicaid and the Obamacare subsidy program, and Social Security. Total spending on federal health care programs will triple.
•By 2050, the national debt is set to hit 344 percent of Gross Domestic Product.
•Taxes paid per household have risen dramatically, hitting $18,400 in 2010 (compared with $11,295 in 1965). If the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire and more middle-class Americans are required to pay the alternative minimum tax (AMT), taxes will reach unprecedented levels.
•Federal spending per household is skyrocketing. Since 1965, spending per household has grown by nearly 162 percent, from $11,431 in 1965 to $29,401 in 2010. From 2010 to 2021, it is projected to rise to $35,773, a 22 percent increase.

Despite all of these blatant red flags, the Senate has utterly failed to execute the most basic, fundamental function of governance at the worst possible time—when the country’s fiscal house is in disarray, the U.S. credit rating is in continual jeopardy, entitlement spending is ballooning, defense spending is on the chopping block, and the economy is in shambles.

One thousand days without a budget is an embarrassing number, but the level of spending, deficits, and taxation that results from the Senate’s failure to exact even a modicum of fiscal discipline is terrifying. Senator Reid has said it would be “foolish” to pass a budget, but failing to pass it is proving to be beyond irresponsible. The middle class will be left holding the bag, paying for the Senate’s reckless negligence with soaring deficits, higher taxes, and a weak economy as far as the eye can see.


1,000 Days Without a Budget: Facts on the Senate's Failure

 

[Bobcat]

Reid has not brought a budget to the floor (except the obama budget that was voted down 99-0) is because if the dems passed a budget that reflected their real agenda, the american people would see what they really see as the future of this country-----------european socialism, huge taxes, huge government, no freedom, govt control of every aspect of our lives.

How many of you want the govt to mandate your thermostat settings? how many want the govt to tell you what to eat and drink? how many want the govt to tell you what kind of car you can drive?

 

[TheNextEra]

How many of you want the govt to mandate your thermostat settings?
how many want the govt to tell you what to eat and drink?
how many want the govt to tell you what kind of car you can drive?

None of which the Obama administration has done. Keep on fear mongering, it's what you Cons are good at.

 

[TurtleDude]

None of which the Obama administration has done. Keep on fear mongering, it's what you Cons are good at.

while his comment was a bit hyperbolic there is no doubt that those who do want the government running more of their Lives (or I should say-want the government to take responsibility for tough choices they might have to make) are those who vote democrat

 

[TheNextEra]

while his comment was a bit hyperbolic there is no doubt that those who do want the government running more of their Lives (or I should say-want the government to take responsibility for tough choices they might have to make) are those who vote democrat

Really? Take a look at morality laws and they were mostly brought about by those that vote Republican. The main difference between those voting Dem and Rep is what part of your life you want government to control. Republicans like morality laws.

 

[Bobcat]

None of which the Obama administration has done. Keep on fear mongering, it's what you Cons are good at.

give obama another term and you will see that I am right.

its already happening, in NYC you can't buy a large soft drink, fast food is being demonized, obama wants energy costs to skyrocket (his words, not mine). the govt is incentivizing a failed car called the Volt.

it amazes me that roughly half the country cannot see the handwriting on the wall.