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Palin "going rogue"

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
nope, just waiting for you to prove your contention. Talk about distortion! :lol:

When was this video shot? Where was it shot? Who paid for them to get there?

YouTube - McCain's Foreign Policy Gaffe (CBS News)

How would you charactarize skipping out on wounded troops while overseas on taxpayer dollars? :roll:
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He did cancel a visit to Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany after the Pentagon told him that Retired Air Force Maj. Gen. Jonathan Scott Gration, an Obama foreign policy adviser, would not be permitted to accompany him. Obama said afterward that he had "a concern that maybe our visit was going to be perceived as political."

You can get yourself a clearer picture here- FactCheck.org: Snubbing Wounded Troops?
 
:lol: fact Obama cancelled the trip because he could not bring the press... FAIL.,


your quotes are messed up again. You need to work on that. :lol:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
:lol: fact Obama cancelled the trip because he could not bring the press... FAIL.,


your quotes are messed up again. You need to work on that. :lol:
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Why do you need to distort the facts? Obama has visited troops without the press.

This is a Palin thread guys.
 
Bonnie1988 said:
While insisting the trip was only personal, Obama - a millionaire - spent hundreds of thousands of dollars of campaign money to fly a private 767 to visit his ill grandmother. No problem him visiting his grandmother. But his spending hundreds of thousands of campaign dollars solely for his personal matters sounds very illegal and certainly worse than Palin - who isn't a millionaire - wearing borrowed clothes.

But this is the media and this country. The rich - such as Obama - are so expected to steal it is just accepted as the way rich should behave. However Palin, who isn't rich, is suppose to follow rules that don't even exist.

On this topic of "Palin Going Rogue," her entire political history she has infuriated men in both politics (mostly Republican men) and Wall Street for her refusing to do and say what men tell her to do and say - therefore men in power hate her. Easy enough to understand their rage at "Palin going rogue" again. Palin always goes rogue.

So called "feminists" - weak men dominated totally by men - continue to agree to men telling them to shut up and just go rant about wanting abortions and let men take care of everything else like men always have. Many Democratic women agree to this self degradation and belittlement as to accept women are a little side special interest group to be placated with the right to abortion (which certainly finanically benefits then those men). But Palin is rogue to that too.

Palin has ALWAYS been a rogue toward men.
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Interesting, a republican feminist... are you a fundamentalist xian too?

Oh, and the part about Obama being rich is... rich. :rofl

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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
:lol: fact Obama cancelled the trip because he could not bring the press... FAIL.,


your quotes are messed up again. You need to work on that. :lol:
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No, Obama cancelled his trip because he could not bring a Retired General and he also didn't want it to turn into a media circus. There is nothing that says he couldn't bring the press with him, they would have just had to wait outside.

Your distortion has turned into outright lie... FAIL.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
:lol: fact Obama cancelled the trip because he could not bring the press... FAIL.,


your quotes are messed up again. You need to work on that. :lol:
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So now are you going to admit that Palin and McCain, on separate occasions took trips outside of the USA on Taxpayer money?
 
DAR said:
Let's see... I don't think anyone gets the VP slot without wanting it first and making their case for it to the Presidential candidate.

Once she got the gig, Palin gave the ticket a shot of adrenaline, but that started to fade, and rather quickly. Why? Those tough journalists, folks like Katie Couric and Charlie Gibson and Sean Hannity, started asking "gotcha" questions like, "What newspapers do you read?" and "Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?" and "What other Supreme Court decisions do you disagree with?" Her inability to answer questions which should be so pathetically simple for any candidate seeking national office to answer revealed her lack of readiness for the VP gig.

One by one, conservative commentators and Party power players started realizing that Palin wasn't ready for prime time. Troopergate wasn't helping any. The $150,000 wardrobe from Sachs and Nieman's wasn't helping any. Saturday Night Live representations of her were so painfully accurate; the biggest difference between Palin and her caricature was that the laughter wasn't muted on the SNL skits. In the period of about one month, Palin went from being the Party's adrenaline shot to more of a drag on the ticket than GWB himself.

Now, should we be surprised that McCain might just want her to sit down and shut up and she won't obey? For Palin, the mavericky thing to do, of course, is to "go rogue." Go on SNL. Talk to reporters all by yourself. WTF, if the ship is sinking, why not down a couple Harvey Wallbangers and start dancing? Maybe next month we'll see her in Playboy. In the campaign's last ditch efforts to overcome an ever widening spread, it should come as no surprise that campaign insiders are sending out resumes and running their mouths to the media.

I think that the "lid will stay on" for another ten days, but not very long after that. I suspect that about ten minutes after the last votes are counted and McCain gets on the next bus back to Arizona, and Palin trudges back to the Alaskan tundra, McCain will admit that the biggest Hail Mary play of his career--the Palin pick--was a bad idea. A very bad idea, indeed.

Regards,
DAR
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Liberal men truly do fear Palin. They should.

Palin took McCain up 15 points. McCain crashed when he voted for the bailout. Palin quickly pre-empted McCain from also supporting a proposed $300 billion bailout for the insurance industry by declaring her opposition to it - cutting McCain off on him maybe making that stupid agreement with Democrats and Bush.

Palin draws crowds 10 to 25 times larger than McCain. Whenever the spotlight goes back on her, McCain goes back up in the polls. Palin is not only more popular than McCain among Republicans (86% "highly favorable" to 64% for McCain), Palin is more "highly favorable" among Republicans than Obama is among Democrats.

Biden gaffes - as if a 3+ decade Senator represented "change" - have cost Obama 4 points in the last week alone. Big mistake. Until last week, since September team Obama had managed to get Biden to refuse ALL interviews. But he went "rogue,' gave interviews, and warned that we face possible imminent nuclear holocaust like the cuban missile crisis within 6 months if Obama is elected - assuring us all that we really aren't going to like how Obama handles it.

Smart old Joe. Does one person believe Hillary would have said something so bizarre and stupid? Was Joe doped up or what?

With the intense dislike of Bush, the financial crash, and most of media worshiping Obama, his campaign is having to scramble just to stay ahead when the Democratic candidate should be easily over 60%. If Obama does manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of certain landslide, they might need to rethink Democratic contempt of women and possibly picking the woman with 49+% of the primary vote would have been a better choice than an old man who got 1-% of the primary vote.

BTW - What is the "Obama Doctrine?" I think it is to make pre-emptive attacks into Pakistan and to increase the military by 100,000 troops, isn't it? That was his primary campaign issues against Hillary, weren't they?

Palin always goes rogue against establishment men. Read her history. The reason the old male Democratic leadership (super delegates) torpedoed Hillary was fear that she'd go rogue as president.
 
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Bonnie1988 said:
Liberal men truly do fear Palin. They should.

Palin took McCain up 15 points. McCain crashed when he voted for the bailout. Palin quickly pre-empted McCain from also supporting a proposed $300 billion bailout for the insurance industry by declaring her opposition to it - cutting McCain off on him maybe making that stupid agreement with Democrats and Bush.

Palin draws crowds 10 to 25 times larger than McCain. Whenever the spotlight goes back on her, McCain goes back up in the polls. Palin is not only more popular than McCain among Republicans (86% "highly favorable" to 64% for McCain), Palin is more "highly favorable" among Republicans than Obama is among Democrats.

Biden gaffes - as if a 3+ decade Senator represented "change" - have cost Obama 4 points in the last week alone. Big mistake. Until last week, since September team Obama had managed to get Biden to refuse ALL interviews. But he went "rogue,' gave interviews, and warned that we face possible imminent nuclear holocaust like the cuban missile crisis within 6 months if Obama is elected - assuring us all that we really aren't going to like how Obama handles it.

Smart old Joe. Does one person believe Hillary would have said something so bizarre and stupid? Was Joe doped up or what?

With the intense dislike of Bush, the financial crash, and most of media worshiping Obama, his campaign is having to scramble just to stay ahead when the Democratic candidate should be easily over 60%. If Obama does manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of certain landslide, they might need to rethink Democratic contempt of women and possibly picking the woman with 49+% of the primary vote would have been a better choice than an old man who got 1-% of the primary vote.

BTW - What is the "Obama Doctrine?" I think it is to make pre-emptive attacks into Pakistan and to increase the military by 100,000 troops, isn't it? That was his primary campaign issues against Hillary, weren't they?

Palin always goes rogue against establishment men. Read her history. The reason the old male Democratic leadership (super delegates) torpedoed Hillary was fear that she'd go rogue as president.
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None of that actually qualifies her to be President. She has shown in interviews to lack intellectual curiosity. Her difficulties staying in college and lack of continued education thereafter bare that out. Her chosen degree shows doesn't help her and the job she took as sports reporter shows her lack of service ambition. We really don't need a President who "goes rogue". We need a steady, thoughtful, pragmatic hand at the wheel and she hasn't shown any of that. She was not selected by the people to run for President nor did she attempt it on her own. She was simply plucked out of obscurity by McCain in an effort to win over Hillary voters (ridiculous) and to shore up the xian base.

In Contrast, Hillary Clinton has an entire life dedicated to women's issues, poverty issues, educational issues...
 
Yes, and Democratic primary voters pushed on by the male super delegates and male media talking heads rejected so qualified Hillary, didn't you?

Not only was Biden NOT picked by "the voters" - he was massively rejected by even Democrats. Remember? Obama himself clearly declared her not even qualified to be V.P. He said the loser old man is his choice.

Probably most people agree with you that we don't have enough East Coast educated lawyers in government.

60% of U.S. senators hold law degrees, and a large number of those practiced before entering politics. There are 1,143,358 lawyers in the U.S. as of Dec. 2006, or less than 1% of the population, according to the ABA.

Seems to me that having so many lawyers in the Senate is clear evidence that this body is not representative of its citizens, nor is it attracting the best, brightest and most accomplished Americans, by any stretch of the imagination.

Haven't all the lawyers in Congress done a GREAT job! In your view, the problem is that there still aren't enough lawyers in Congress. It is a lawyer's oath to do and say anything to get what you want for your clients regardless of any ethics. That's what lawyers in Congress do. They are hired by their clients to get them what they want. That is what Obama and Biden will continue to do. They should be required to publish their rates.
 
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Bonnie1988 said:
Liberal men truly do fear Palin. They should.

Palin took McCain up 15 points. McCain crashed when he voted for the bailout. Palin quickly pre-empted McCain from also supporting a proposed $300 billion bailout for the insurance industry by declaring her opposition to it - cutting McCain off on him maybe making that stupid agreement with Democrats and Bush.

Palin draws crowds 10 to 25 times larger than McCain. Whenever the spotlight goes back on her, McCain goes back up in the polls. Palin is not only more popular than McCain among Republicans (86% "highly favorable" to 64% for McCain), Palin is more "highly favorable" among Republicans than Obama is among Democrats.

Biden gaffes - as if a 3+ decade Senator represented "change" - have cost Obama 4 points in the last week alone. Big mistake. Until last week, since September team Obama had managed to get Biden to refuse ALL interviews. But he went "rogue,' gave interviews, and warned that we face possible imminent nuclear holocaust like the cuban missile crisis within 6 months if Obama is elected - assuring us all that we really aren't going to like how Obama handles it.

Smart old Joe. Does one person believe Hillary would have said something so bizarre and stupid? Was Joe doped up or what?

With the intense dislike of Bush, the financial crash, and most of media worshiping Obama, his campaign is having to scramble just to stay ahead when the Democratic candidate should be easily over 60%. If Obama does manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of certain landslide, they might need to rethink Democratic contempt of women and possibly picking the woman with 49+% of the primary vote would have been a better choice than an old man who got 1-% of the primary vote.

BTW - What is the "Obama Doctrine?" I think it is to make pre-emptive attacks into Pakistan and to increase the military by 100,000 troops, isn't it? That was his primary campaign issues against Hillary, weren't they?

Palin always goes rogue against establishment men. Read her history. The reason the old male Democratic leadership (super delegates) torpedoed Hillary was fear that she'd go rogue as president.
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:rofl

The only one who fears Palin is McCain because she is more popular then he is.
 
Kayleigh Katz said:
Thanks. I tried to word it cleverly, but I really meant it too.

It's like Biden saying that foreign powers will undoubtably test Obama.... :shock: what was he thinking? But they've managed to weather it well because there were no undermining comments from within.

But reality at this point is that Obama's campaign can afford gaffs a lot more than McCain's can. McCain should have tossed any "non-believers" out of the camp back when Palin was picked to keep this sort of thing from happening.
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Good point - the campaign that is polled behind always has sniping. If she was a woman - they would not be sniping. It's all HER fault. She disagrees with McCain, so what? The way the barack supporters mock McCain, they should applaud her. Palin could have any of these aides and McCain too for lunch.;)

Of course you'll hear nothing about any sniping of Baracks campaign if it existed- the show me the money and I follow media would never report it. :rofl Of course it is tightening up...that might change.
 
Slippery Slope said:
So if I can prove that Palin or McCain ever passed a military medical facility without stopping in to visit wounded troops, you'd be as acrimonious towards them?
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Nope, Obama had planned to go, then claimed the hospital did not want him. The general at the hospital exposed this lie and said he could come but without the press and the entourage.
 
Bonnie1988 said:
Yes, and Democratic primary voters pushed on by the male super delegates and male media talking heads rejected so qualified Hillary, didn't you?

No, I rejected Hillary because I think Obama is a better candidate. If Obama hadn't been running I would have voted for Hillary. You seem to be under the impression that progressive minded men are as chauvinistic as conservative men, you're mistaken.

Not only was Biden NOT picked by "the voters" - he was massively rejected by even Democrats. Remember? Obama himself clearly declared her not even qualified to be V.P. He said the loser old man is his choice.

Loser old man? Is that what you called McCain after LOSING in 2000? :doh
At least Biden had a desire to actually run for President. He put his career and his personal life out there for everyone to scrutinize. He has spent his life in the service of the American people, whether you agree with him politically or not at least he shows that he believes in what he is doing.

Probably most people agree with you that we don't have enough East Coast educated lawyers in government.

60% of U.S. senators hold law degrees, and a large number of those practiced before entering politics. There are 1,143,358 lawyers in the U.S. as of Dec. 2006, or less than 1% of the population, according to the ABA.

Seems to me that having so many lawyers in the Senate is clear evidence that this body is not representative of its citizens, nor is it attracting the best, brightest and most accomplished Americans, by any stretch of the imagination.

Sorry, but unlike the sheeple, I don't want the guy at the end of the bar running the countries politics. I wqant the smart people running things. Yeah, some people get into politics for personal gain. Sure some people get corrupted once they get in. Do you think that wouldn't happen if there was a bunch of ignorant, Joe the plumbers in Washington? Get a grip.
Everyone hates lawyers... until they need one. All lawyers, like all Plumbers, are not the same.

Best and brightest? Like who, corporate CEOs? Would you be happier with people like Dennis Kozlowski or maybe Kenneth Lay

Haven't all the lawyers in Congress done a GREAT job! In your view, the problem is that there still aren't enough lawyers in Congress. It is a lawyer's oath to do and say anything to get what you want for your clients regardless of any ethics. That's what lawyers in Congress do. They are hired by their clients to get them what they want. That is what Obama and Biden will continue to do. They should be required to publish their rates.

I dunno, are you going to vote for any lawyers on your ballot this year? Maybe a senator, governor, congressman, anyone in your state politics...?
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Family Guy said:
Are you unable to digest that what you're posting is being laughed at by virtually everyone who reads it?

.....Why do you put yourself in the position for people to belittle what you write this way?

....Do you have no sense of how ridiculous your posts are?

......You know if you don't like the truth just say that people will at least respect you rather than making **** up and having everyone laugh at your writings.
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
you can see in the context of the thread it was accepted as an accurate quote.
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And I accept it as an accurate quote as well. Too bad we don't know exactly what was said and by whom at the Pentagon. Lt. Col. Elizabeth Hibner is a Pentagon spokesperson and not the individual who contacted the Obama campaign.

I also accept as accurate, the Obama campaign's explanation for canceling the visit.

Although the Illinois senator visited troops in Afghanistan and Iraq on the first part of his overseas trip, those stops were part of an official Congressional delegation, and therefore deemed apolitical. The European tour, which included a speech in Berlin last night before an enthusiastic crowd of 200,000, is funded by the campaign and as such is not official government business.
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No Troop Visits for Obama in Germany | The Trail | washingtonpost.com

So here we are, what's your point? That Obama hates the troops?
 
Bonnie1988 said:
Liberal men truly do fear Palin. They should.
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I sincerely believe that your post is wrong. Fear Palin? Are you living in a vacuum? We LOVE Palin she's solidified Obama's majority with Independents and Women which were the target voters when Palin was chosen. Big deal that Palin "secured the base" that is meaningless in this election because without the Independent vote McCain loses.
Bonnie1988 said:
Until last week, since September team Obama had managed to get Biden to refuse ALL interviews. But he went "rogue,' gave interviews
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A bit hypocritical of you don't you think? Palin has NEVER been on a Sunday talk show, NEVER. When is the last time a VEEP candidate did not appear on MTP? NEVER!

BTW - VEEPs never add to a ticket's plus vote side but Palin ended up subtracting votes from McCain (God bless her)!
Bonnie1988 said:
With the intense dislike of Bush, the financial crash, and most of media worshiping Obama, his campaign is having to scramble just to stay ahead when the Democratic candidate should be easily over 60%.
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Do you have any idea how much 60% is? The last President to get to 60% was Nixon in 1972, that's 36 years and 9 elections ago! The most one President ever received was LBJ in 1964 when he polled 61.1% of the popular vote!
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Bonnie1988 said:
Palin always goes rogue against establishment men. Read her history. The reason the old male Democratic leadership (super delegates) torpedoed Hillary was fear that she'd go rogue as president.
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Palin is so popular in her own party that insiders in her own campaign say she's "Going rogue" and she's "A whack job" not to mention the long list of Conservative pundits who have buried her. Besides Lieberman can you name any prominent Democrats who have puclicly come out against Obama?

Your post is totally and completely inaccurate and it's a shame that you're so blind that you write such nonsense.
 
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Bonnie1988 said:
60% of U.S. senators hold law degrees, and a large number of those practiced before entering politics. There are 1,143,358 lawyers in the U.S. as of Dec. 2006, or less than 1% of the population, according to the ABA.

Seems to me that having so many lawyers in the Senate is clear evidence that this body is not representative of its citizens, nor is it attracting the best, brightest and most accomplished Americans, by any stretch of the imagination
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In case you don't know or just forgot Senators and Representatives are LAWMAKERS which is why so many have LAW degrees! I remember there was a doctor in the Senate for many years until 2006, Bill Frist and he was a total bozo who actually diagnosed Terry Schiavo as not being brain dead by watching a TV! Yeah!
 
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