Palin "going rogue"

[Dr_Patrick]

Let me break up this liberal love fest.........I love it how you lefties use CNN the Clinton News network as your link......Why don't you use use moveon.org.....They have the same creditability............

So do you honestly think that CNN is lying and making up quotes from McCain advisors? Any network would get in serious trouble for making up quotes and lying like this. Do you just automatically assume it's lies because it's coming from CNN? I don't know why I'm surprised that you are comparing a seriously biased left wing organization to an actual news network like CNN. They may lean more to the left, but I think it's absurd to dismiss their stories as flat out lies.

It never ceases to amaze me to see how much you lefties are so afraid of Governor Palin with good reason......She is drawing huge enthusiastic crowds at all her rallys...........Its amazing to see and it will pay off on 4 November with the election of McCain as president............

Let me know when you have something more constructive and thought provoking to add to the conversation instead of your typical overused anti-leftie rhetoric.

 

[1069]

I don't know why I'm surprised that you are comparing a seriously biased left wing organization to an actual news network like CNN. They may lean more to the left, but I think it's absurd to dismiss their stories as flat out lies.

I think lately, reality itself "leans more to the left".
There's no other explanation why suddenly every reputable news source is "left-leaning", and everything right-leaning is being pushed to the fringes.

 

[TBone]

Yeah, right..........Can you give me a link to that abuse of power? If you are talking about trooper gate Palin has been exonerated of any guilt in that situation...........Nice try though......:roll:

Here is a link telling you that Troopergate is not over. Taken from Consortiumnews.com a product of The Consortium for Independent Journalism, Inc.:

In a new front for Gov. Sarah Palin’s “Troopergate” troubles, a top Alaska Democratic lawmaker has called on the state’s attorney general to appoint an independent investigator to probe whether operatives in Sen. John McCain’s presidential campaign broke Alaska’s criminal witness-tampering laws.

 

[sazerac]

"Several McCain advisers have suggested to CNN"

"one aide described as Palin “going rogue”

"McCain sources point to several incidents where Palin has gone off message."

"what one aide describe"

"A second McCain source tells CNN"

****************

This is clearly a hit piece. Name names, CNN, or shut up!

Unbelievable!

 

[Iriemon]

Had the admin not decided to start a war in Iraq, the GOP would be in control. In fact, they'd a probably weathered the storm of the Katrina fiasco. You have to wonder if it will take real conservatives, like Goldwater, to get the GOP back to what it once was.

Everyone needs to go watch "W."

I'm not sure that the Iraq war is as big a factor as you state. Because the level of violence has subsided, the Iraq war has not been as major a factor as it might have been otherwise. Though I do agree that the fact that many or most view this war as a mistake has been a factor.

The economic meltdown has probably been a bigger factor. A poor economy usually spells doom for the incumbent party. The Bush administration took a Government with a surplus budget, and slashed taxes with the promise that would make the economy grow stronger. Instead we have $4 1/2 trillion more debt and the economy stinks. That has probably been a bigger factor.

 

[Family Guy]

Personally, I don't think that the GOP expected to be able to take the WH this year. Not after the Bush Admin. In the after shock of Sept eleventh a lot of people rallied around the Pres, but as that emotional impact wore off so did the "charm" of the Bush admin. In the cold light of day people became rather disillusioned with the admin. That disatisfaction has transferred to the party as a whole.

I think Bush starting a war on lies, torturing people, etc. etc. did turn America against him and the GOP BUT remember all of those Republicans vote with him again and again and again like lemmings.

Had they used their brains instead the damage that Bush caused would be less though he destroyed so many things as President including the Republican party.

The damage this time might be for a generation IF the Democrats can get it mostly right this time. I guess time will tell.

 

[Middleground]

Personally, I don't think that the GOP expected to be able to take the WH this year. Not after the Bush Admin. In the after shock of Sept eleventh a lot of people rallied around the Pres, but as that emotional impact wore off so did the "charm" of the Bush admin. In the cold light of day people became rather disillusioned with the admin. That disatisfaction has transferred to the party as a whole.

If that were the case, then McCain would score about 25% on all of the polls. But I will agree, though, that voting for another party because of Bush is about a solid a reason as I can think.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

... remember all of those Republicans vote with him again and again and again like lemmings.

From time to time Bush had some of the highest approval ratings for PotUSAs. It takes more than GOP to give him those sorts of ratings.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

I think it's pre-emptive CYA, blame shifting

 

[ADK_Forever]

From time to time Bush had some of the highest approval ratings for PotUSAs. It takes more than GOP to give him those sorts of ratings.

Only while emotions ran high after our lopsided victories while invading that defenseless country that dubya lied was responsible for 9/11. As the American people woke up to what dubya had really done... his ratings dropped like a rock.

 

[sazerac]

Only while emotions ran high after our lopsided victories while invading that defenseless country that dubya lied was responsible for 9/11. As the American people woke up to what dubya had really done... his ratings dropped like a rock.

You know damn well Bush never said that Saddam was involved with 9/11. And Cheney told us that on Meet the Press just weeks after 9/11.

What else are you wrong about?

Maybe people got the idea that Saddam was involved with Al Qaeda from all the newspaper stories during the Clinton years talking about Bin Laden getting shelter from Saddam.

But it didn't come from Bush.

 

[Iriemon]

From time to time Bush had some of the highest approval ratings for PotUSAs. It takes more than GOP to give him those sorts of ratings.

Prior to 9/11, his stock was already falling. 9/11 shot his ratings up, from which there was a steady decline as his foreign policy mistakes, primarly Iraq, came to light. The 9/11 boost was the only even where there was a high approval rating for Bush, I believe.

 

[Zyphlin]

Let me break up this liberal love fest.........I love it how you lefties use CNN the Clinton News network as your link......Why don't you use use moveon.org.....They have the same creditability............

It never ceases to amaze me to see how much you lefties are so afraid of Governor Palin with good reason......She is drawing huge enthusiastic crowds at all her rallys...........Its amazing to see and it will pay off on 4 November with the election of McCain as president.............

Are you seriously comparing CNN, a news org that while arguably is left leaning is light at the least....to moveon.org, a website that is extremely slanted to the left that has no reason at all to attempt to remain even a bit unbiased and is not an actual news source?

 

[sazerac]

Prior to 9/11, his stock was already falling. 9/11 shot his ratings up, from which there was a steady decline as his foreign policy mistakes, primarly Iraq, came to light. The 9/11 boost was the only even where there was a high approval rating for Bush, I believe.

The successful invasion of Iraq caused his highest ratings.

When things started getting tough some people just couldn't cope with anything in life not being perfect.

 

[Family Guy]

It never ceases to amaze me to see how much you lefties are so afraid of Governor Palin with good reason......She is drawing huge enthusiastic crowds at all her rallys...........Its amazing to see and it will pay off on 4 November with the election of McCain as president.............

Do you live in alternate universe or are you truly this out of touch? To write such inane posts like this one is beyond logical explanation.

I've asked you before to answer this simple question but you seem to ignore because it appears that you're AFRAID to answer because you know that you'd be writing a fable:

Please show us specifically how McCain gets to 270 Electoral votes. Spare us the PA scenario because according to Real Clear Politics the average lead that Obama has in the polls there is 10.8% and there's only one poll where he has less than a double digit lead and that poll is 7 days old.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2008 - Pennsylvania: McCain vs. Obama

Please spare us that you're counting on PA voters actually being closet racists as your best hope to win there because 11%-12% if the voters aren't going to change...and have you factored in how many more Blacks and under 30s have been added to the voter rolls?

Without PA McCain can't win unless you're suggesting another road to 270? Do you have the gonads to answer my simple question? Please do and please, please be specific. I am truly curious how you think McCain gets to 270.

BTW - electoral-vote.com has Obama ahead in PA by 12% after averaging 7 polls.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

A lot more people than just Republicans approved of the Bush Admin and what it was doing. They couldn't've done as much as what they did without a lot of people helping.

 

[Iriemon]

You know damn well Bush never said that Saddam was involved with 9/11. And Cheney told us that on Meet the Press just weeks after 9/11.

What else are you wrong about?

Maybe people got the idea that Saddam was involved with Al Qaeda from all the newspaper stories during the Clinton years talking about Bin Laden getting shelter from Saddam.

But it didn't come from Bush.

The Bush administration never explicitly stated Hussein was involved in 9/11. But it intentionally comingled Hussein with AQ and 9/11 in the run up to the Iraq war, and again when WMD was not found, to create the inference that Hussein was involved with AQ. Polls showed that few mentioned Hussein as a culprit right after 9-11 by 45% believed he was involved at the time of the attack.

Polling data show that right after Sept. 11, 2001, when Americans were asked open-ended questions about who was behind the attacks, only 3 percent mentioned Iraq or Hussein. But by January of this year, attitudes had been transformed. In a Knight Ridder poll, 44 percent of Americans reported that either "most" or "some" of the Sept. 11 hijackers were Iraqi citizens. The answer is zero.

The impact of Bush linking 9/11 and Iraq | csmonitor.com

An example of how Bush comingled and implied Hussein's is from his "mission accomplished" speach on the aircraft carrier:

The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11, 2001 -- and still goes on.
...
The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror. We've removed an ally of al Qaeda, and cut off a source of terrorist funding. And this much is certain: No terrorist network will gain weapons of mass destruction from the Iraqi regime, because the regime is no more. In these 19 months that changed the world, our actions have been focused and deliberate and proportionate to the offense. We have not forgotten the victims of September the 11th -- the last phone calls, the cold murder of children, the searches in the rubble.

washingtonpost.com: Hussein Link to 9/11 Lingers in Many Minds

Does he come right out and say Hussein was involved in 9-11. No. But this kind of implication was done repeatedly by the administration, who intentionally whipped up popular support for their premeditated war against Iraq.

The American people didn't lead a lot of nudging to put the blame on Hussein, and the Adminstration kept that blame in focus by intentionally commingling Hussein, AQ and 9-11.

washingtonpost.com: Hussein Link to 9/11 Lingers in Many Minds

 

[Family Guy]

Yeah, right..........Can you give me a link to that abuse of power? If you are talking about trooper gate Palin has been exonerated of any guilt in that situation...........Nice try though......:roll:

You might try to pay attention a little more because just yesterday (10/24) Palin and her "Dude" were deposed in St. Louis in a new investigation re her abuse of power.

she met for three hours here with an investigator from Alaska to give depositions as part of a second inquiry into whether she abused the powers of her office by firing the state’s public safety commissioner, Walt Monegan.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/25/u...r=1&scp=1&sq=palin deposed&st=cse&oref=slogin

 

[Family Guy]

From time to time Bush had some of the highest approval ratings for PotUSAs. It takes more than GOP to give him those sorts of ratings.

I meant in Congress not just voters.

 

[ADK_Forever]

You know damn well Bush never said that Saddam was involved with 9/11. And Cheney told us that on Meet the Press just weeks after 9/11.

What else are you wrong about?

Maybe people got the idea that Saddam was involved with Al Qaeda from all the newspaper stories during the Clinton years talking about Bin Laden getting shelter from Saddam.

But it didn't come from Bush.

Really? :roll:

The idea originated with him and Cheney. Do you really think Cheney said that without dubya's ok?

Here's a good description of how it unfolded: washingtonpost.com: Hussein Link to 9/11 Lingers in Many Minds

Want some fun reading just what big ears' intentions really were? Try this: lies.com » Evidence of Bush’s Early Decision to Invade Iraq

Not enough for ya? Here: Tompaine.com - Print Page

There are plenty more. This was Bush and Cheney's private war!!! I can't wait for all the exposes to come out after he's out of "our house"! If we're lucky charges will be brought against the two of them. Maybe Rummy too!

They are the true traitors to our country! :blastem::blastem::blastem::blastem:

 

[ADK_Forever]

Do you live in alternate universe or are you truly this out of touch? To write such inane posts like this one is beyond logical explanation.

I vote for "out of touch". :mrgreen:

 

[Family Guy]

The successful invasion of Iraq caused his highest ratings.

Are you purposely lying or are you simply wrong and uninformed?

Follow this link to see Bush's approval rating from day 1 forward:

USATODAY.com - feature

His highest ratings were right after 9-11 NOT after he idiotically started a war that was/is worthless and has hurt America far, far more than it ever could have helped.

Can you admit when you're wrong?

 

[cascadian]

Follow this link to see Bush's approval rating from day 1 forward:

USATODAY.com - feature

His highest ratings were right after 9-11 NOT after he idiotically started a war that was/is worthless and has hurt America far, far more than it ever could have helped.

The most interesting part to me is that the "no-opinion"s dropped to almost nothing. He was a polarizing president to be sure.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

USATODAY.com - feature
His highest ratings were right after 9-11...

He did get a spike at the start of the invasion, but it wasn't his peak. A whole lot of the country and the legislature were gung ho for the invasion at the time. The Admin couldn't've done it w/o the support from many quarters.

I am amazed at Bush's current negative ratings. I didn't realize it had gotten so high.

Buyer's remorse hits hard.

 

[shuamort]

Could this be the October surprise?

Palin bailin' while McCain's failin'?