Ocasio-Cortez Now Says She Wants to "Tax Robots"

[sangha]

If your gonna tax their income then wouldnt you have to give them an icome to be taxed? Should robots earn wages?

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Someone's never heard of sales and use taxes.

Maybe you should go for the trifecta and misunderstand marginal tax rates

 

[sangha]

You were brutal, yes, but honest, not remotely. Moreover there is NOTHING "independent" about you.
My Ignore List is intended to spare me from inane remarks that waste my time. It just grew by you.

ciao

It's like having your own personal safe space

 

[Nickyjo]

She was referring to an idea Bill Gates has floated before. You all know Bill Gates right? He's that college drop out who didn't know anything except enough to revolutionize the computer industry. In the broader context of the subject, figuring out how people transition to other work when its replaced by automation is a worth while discussion.

Idea is even older. Years ago in the 70s when I worked with farmworkers, Cesar Chavez talked about automation in similar terms, arguing that it was good, but that there should be some consideration for displaced workers.

 

[sangha]

Oh fine, I ignore the essence of your joke and you do the same to me. It's fair, but the least you could have done was mock me openly

How'd I do?

 

[sangha]

It's ok to ridicule Trump but the man made himself a Billionaire so he must be good at making money and running a business.

He's not a billionaire and he inherited his money

 

[Grokmaster]

The robots WILL RESPOND!!!

 

[sangha]

I will never understand why people post like this.

Google "Dunning-Kruger effect"

 

[Surrealistik]

Who is labeled a genius? If you're talking about Bill Gates, OK, and I might agree his genius was more seeing the potential and buying someone else's core idea, but he did build a successful company....

As to AOC, I'm pretty sure no one labels her a genius.

I mean if nothing else she sees the future on this matter with more clarity and insight than pretty much every other federal politico I'm yet aware of, Democrat or Republican.

 

[Risky Thicket]

I'm quite calm, you've still got bupkis and will even should Trump's returns be released. Could you tell his net worth when they were released on the Maddow program?

I have no idea. I don't watch Maddow nor would I depend on a talking head from TV to determine financial information.

No, you couldn't--they're tax returns, tax returns don't contain a listing of assets.


Just because there are forms and Schedule's you've never used, doesn't mean you couldn't be aware of what they contain.

Don't look now, your binary thinking is showing.

Tax returns will be most helpful as they will be used to determine a great deal of information about Trump. And no, Trump isn't using an IRS short form. Trump has reportedly 100s of shell companies that conduct business with many foreign owned shell companies. If Trump has been or is involved in fiscal malfeasance he probably won't have that list as a line item on his tax filing. I don't believe there is a box for that on the form. However, his tax returns can be and likely will be used by the IRS if Trump is suspected of financial crimes among other things. The IRS and other legal entities may well use the Net Worth Method of Proof. It begins with income tax filing and/or lack thereof in parts or in total.

 

[AliHajiSheik]

I have no idea. I don't watch Maddow nor would I depend on a talking head from TV to determine financial information.



Don't look now, your binary thinking is showing.

Tax returns will be most helpful as they will be used to determine a great deal of information about Trump. And no, Trump isn't using an IRS short form. Trump has reportedly 100s of shell companies that conduct business with many foreign owned shell companies. If Trump has been or is involved in fiscal malfeasance he probably won't have that list as a line item on his tax filing. I don't believe there is a box for that on the form. However, his tax returns can be and likely will be used by the IRS if Trump is suspected of financial crimes among other things. The IRS and other legal entities may well use the Net Worth Method of Proof. It begins with income tax filing and/or lack thereof in parts or in total.

How obtuse. Maddow released the forms, I don't watch her either but the form was still the form.

Is it binary to think that you can either determine something from a form or not? How about actually looking at the latest available financial disclosures where assets do have to be listed when they are filed with the FEC?

Donald Trump- Net Worth - Personal Finances • OpenSecrets

Here is one thing I will leave you with. The Federal Income Taxes are to determine how much tax is due based upon the reported income. It is a simple concept and that's all you can determine. Of course, if that information is falsified, then the laws have been broken. You can't tell someone's net worth from a Tax Return. Neither you, nor anyone else, can determine whether someone is a billionaire or a millionaire.

Of interesting note, #160 in his 2017 filing lists a Screen Actors Guild Pension of $84,292.

 

[JasperL]

I mean if nothing else she sees the future on this matter with more clarity and insight than pretty much every other federal politico I'm yet aware of, Democrat or Republican.

I'll give her a lot of credit for addressing it, and talking about it.

What kind of kills me is the just incredible double standards here, and it's not just with our right wing friends. Just for example, in the 2016 POTUS primaries, every Republican ran on $trillions in tax cuts, and also as a fiscal conservative, worried about the deficit. Our 'media' largely overlooked the absurdity of those positions. How would they pay for it? No one knew or cared. Trump said he'd cut taxes by $10 trillion, balance the budget, expand military spending and not cut a dime from entitlements. He's president! Bottom line is as long as you don't threaten the plutocrats, no one cares much about your policies. All that matters is those precious tax cuts for the donor class.

AOC makes a comment clearly aimed at the working class, and she's pilloried, in large part by mischaracterizing her position and her priorities. If she said tax cuts pay for themselves, and trickle down nonsense, we'd hear cheers from these people, although it's a lie.

I don't really get it. I don't agree with some of her ideas, but I appreciate her focus appears to be genuinely on the bottom 80% or so and not the donor class.

 

[Surrealistik]

I'll give her a lot of credit for addressing it, and talking about it.

What kind of kills me is the just incredible double standards here, and it's not just with our right wing friends. Just for example, in the 2016 POTUS primaries, every Republican ran on $trillions in tax cuts, and also as a fiscal conservative, worried about the deficit. Our 'media' largely overlooked the absurdity of those positions. How would they pay for it? No one knew or cared. Trump said he'd cut taxes by $10 trillion, balance the budget, expand military spending and not cut a dime from entitlements. He's president! Bottom line is as long as you don't threaten the plutocrats, no one cares much about your policies. All that matters is those precious tax cuts for the donor class.

AOC makes a comment clearly aimed at the working class, and she's pilloried, in large part by mischaracterizing her position and her priorities. If she said tax cuts pay for themselves, and trickle down nonsense, we'd hear cheers from these people, although it's a lie.

I don't really get it. I don't agree with some of her ideas, but I appreciate her focus appears to be genuinely on the bottom 80% or so and not the donor class.

Of course.

Trump and his often inane rantings about 'fake news' aren't the only reason people are sceptical of mainstream American media these days; all of their outlets have an agenda to push, and it's generally not in alignment with the working class so much as the tycoons that control them (of course; Bezos didn't buy the money haemorrhaging Washington Post because it or the moribund newspaper sector presented a stellar business opportunity). There's essentially no ambiguity that they overwhelming support the interests of the latter, it's really more a question of how blatant and direct they are about it, from relatively subtle in CNN/MSNBC's case to painfully overt per Fox. This is exactly why you'll never see them asking about how we're going to pay for multi-trillion dollar bailouts, tax cuts for the rich or military adventurism, but they'll want to know ad nauseum, even when they've already been repeatedly answered, how we'll do so for things like universal college or healthcare.

 

[Grokmaster]

I mean if nothing else she sees the future on this matter with more clarity and insight than pretty much every other federal politico I'm yet aware of, Democrat or Republican.

Yeah..she sees $$$$ in hers....

 

[PoppyCock]

Its funny how the right wing is obsessed with her.

We love the gal, she will deliver another Trump presidency. I hope she keeps talking, although that campaign finance situation might bite her.

 

[haymarket]

We love the gal, she will deliver another Trump presidency. I hope she keeps talking, although that campaign finance situation might bite her.

That is delusional thinking.

 

[veritas1]

BS

she is getting attention for the same reason Trump does, she says ridiculous and non traditional things. Stands out in a crowd. That is what gets attention. Weather that person be a dope or sage.

Dems are trying to shut her the **** up.

It doesn't seem so. If they are, they are failing.

 

[Grokmaster]

They're getting PISSED!!!

 

[PoppyCock]

That is delusional thinking.

^ magical thinking, sorta like the green deal.

 

[ElChupacabra]

I came close to liking your post but couldn't pull the trigger. There are many extreme lefties out there like AOC and here on DP who want just that - let automation take over and pay people for not working. A job guarantee. I don't even know what a job guarantee means but it seems to include those who are able to work but don't want to, get a check anyway, just for being a leach on society. Tax the (robots) rich so that anyone who doesn't want to work can just sit at home playing video games and get a check anyway. This is NOT the American way.

I don't recall reading anything about Ocasio-Cortez saying anything about people not working at all. She did say:

it [automation] could potentially mean is more time educating ourselves, more time creating art, more time investing in and investigating the sciences, more time focused on invention, more time going to space, more time enjoying the world that we live in”

This is more alone the lines of dedicating time to endeavors other than just wage labor. One of the benefits of automation is it eliminates certain manual tasks to (ideally) give you more time to be productive in other areas. In my work experience, I actually pushed for the automation of manual data entry so my team's expertise in content management could be better used on more important projects that helped the company monetized legacy content by curating their inventories. I wouldn't be on the same page with anyone who advocates people being paid to sit around and be unproductive, but will support new ideas on what labor means in this time of change. We can't hold on to old ideals of labor if it clashes with the changes that are coming. Manual labor is on the decline over the long term, so the focus should be on what labor will mean for those who are displaced.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Idea is even older. Years ago in the 70s when I worked with farmworkers, Cesar Chavez talked about automation in similar terms, arguing that it was good, but that there should be some consideration for displaced workers.

Yeah, it would be incredibly short sighted to not think about what happens to those workers. If you take the position of "that's their problem", you may shoot yourself in the foot since those workers are consumers. Without the means to consume, they're not buying your products and/or services. It makes sense to look at it holistically because finding solutions to transitioning workers is a benefit to the government and the private sector.

 

[haymarket]

^ magical thinking, sorta like the green deal.

The Green new deal was suppose to be an idea to kick off discussion.

 

[Nickyjo]

The Green new deal was suppose to be an idea to kick off discussion.

True, it was indeed like some of FDR’s aspirational proposals. But discussion ain’t gonna happen. We don’t have discussions anymore. Easier to claim she wants to ban cow farts and airplane travel. Avoids the topic.

 

[haymarket]

True, it was indeed like some of FDR’s aspirational proposals. But discussion ain’t gonna happen. We don’t have discussions anymore. Easier to claim she wants to ban cow farts and airplane travel. Avoids the topic.

Well said.

 

[trouble13]

Re: Ocasio-Cortez Now Says She Wants to "Tax Robots"

OK, but that's different than what you WERE claiming she said, which is we've solved all our problems and we can all just sit around and let robots do everything.

But yes, she did claim this, and it should be true, actually, given productivity improvements. The economy might work better if it was true - where the average work week was 32 hours and not 40. There is some anecdotal evidence companies are having great success with shorter work weeks - better job satisfaction, retention, productivity, etc. That's the promise of increased productivity - either we work less for the same standard of living, or work the same and see our living standards go up. That worked for a long time but kind of broke down for the bottom half or so (at least - perhaps the bottom 80%) in the past few decades - they're working as hard or harder than ever, and seeing living standards stagnate or even decline, and stability has definitely declined.

Point is you can disagree with her, but it does no good to put words in her mouth she didn't say to dismiss the argument she did make.

I didn't put words in her mouth. I said what she was saying. I conveyed the same thing she did in my words as she did in hers.

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[Middle_Ground]

She was referring to an idea Bill Gates has floated before. You all know Bill Gates right? He's that college drop out who didn't know anything except enough to revolutionize the computer industry. In the broader context of the subject, figuring out how people transition to other work when its replaced by automation is a worth while discussion.

It doesn't matter....AOC said it so it's a bad idea. I wish she would start using some reverse psychology on the right. Although I'm sure they will find some way to hate there own policy.