Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump[W:895]

[Glen Contrarian]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

How is that even relevant?

You complained about anonymous sources. I provided you the best-known example in American history. I can't help it if you can't see the relevance.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

I listened to the first 2:30 minutes of the interview and dismissed it at that point. Why? Because none of the information in the Russian dossier came from intelligence gathered from spying on any citizen from the countries Nunes mentioned as coming under the FIBI Agreement. Yes, Christopher Steele is a British citizen and former intelligence officer and yes some of the information from the dossier was vetted by MI5 (or 6...I can't remember which agency exactly), but sharing intelligence between allied countries isn't the same as gathering intelligence from surveillance activity conducted on citizens from allied/partner countries.

Nunes is simply trying to conflate the issue as far as how the information eventually was collected. Folks have to remember, most of the foreign intel was conducted in Germany (Prague) and former satellite Russian states (Ukraine), neither of whom are part of the so-called FIBA agreement.

I'll try to listen to the rest of the interview later, but what Nunes said in the initial 2:30 minutes was enough for me to dismiss him out-right.

It's unfortunate that you didn't listen to the whole thing, but it doesn't really matter since you didn't understand the part you DID listen to. The EC documents he was talking about have nothing to do with the Steele dossier...at least, as far as anyone knows yet. If you are trying to connect what Nunes said to the Steele dossier, you are barking up the wrong tree.

On the other hand, it's possible the FBI actually DID use that bogus dossier as an excuse to investigate Trump. We don't know that yet, but if they did, they are in a world of hurt.

 

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...because NOBODY has found any evidence of such collusion. At least not by Trump or any of his people. This is simply something you "believe"...something you are taking on faith, ...

On the other hand, we ARE finding evidence that there was collusion to steal the 2016 election...by the Democrats, with the help of the Obama administration. But that flies in the face of your faith, doesn't it?..

Keep watching Fox Snooze and reading conservativetreehouse...

Trump looked into lifting Russia sanctions days after taking office - Business Insider
Former officials: Trump seemed prepared to lift Russia sanctions 'in exchange for absolutely nothing'
Natasha Bertrand
Jun. 2, 2017
..
"Please, my God, can't you stop this?" Fried recalled them asking.

The revelation that Trump prioritized a review of the sanctions during his first week in office comes as the FBI scrutinizes his campaign's contacts with Moscow...

Top Trump Organization executive asked Putin aide for help on ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...2cc069f2c37_story.html?utm_term=.2ea4f4b7c4a6
Aug 28, 2017 - ..Sater bragged to Cohen that he could get Putin to assist with the project and that it would help Trump's presidential campaign, according to correspondence submitted to congressional investigators. “Our boy can become president of the USA and we can engineer it,” Sater wrote in a November ...

A Back-Channel Plan for Ukraine and Russia, Courtesy of Trump ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/19/us/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-russia.html
Feb 19, 2017 - Mr. Flynn is gone.. But the proposal, a peace plan for Ukraine and Russia, remains, along with those pushing it: Michael D. Cohen,.., who delivered the document; Felix H. Sater, ...

https://www.cnn.com/2017/09/08/politics/document-trump-tower-moscow/index.html
Document details scrapped deal for Trump Tower Moscow
By Gloria Borger and Marshall Cohen, CNN

September 9, 2017
..Trump did not mention during the presidential campaign that his company explored the business deal in Russia. Instead, he insisted that he had "nothing to do with Russia."...
...While the potential Russian deal was still on the table, Trump was speaking positively about working with Russian President Vladimir Putin and also minimized Russia's aggressive military moves around the world..
Cohen has publicly acknowledged discussing the deal with Trump ...conversations adds that they lasted less than four minutes combined.
Felix Sater, a Russian-born former Trump business associate and mob-linked felon who figured prominently in development of the Trump SoHo property in New York, served as an intermediary....

https://www.motherjones.com/politic...s-moscow-tower-deal-and-a-ukraine-peace-plan/

...Trump signed a letter of intent in October 2015 for the tower deal with Russian firm IC Expert Investment. That firm, which describes itself as a residential real estate developer, identifies Russian government-controlled banking giants Gazprombank and Sberbank as financiers for its projects. Sater claimed in an email also to have lined up financing for the Trump tower project from VTB Bank, another state-controlled entity. All three banks are under US sanctions...

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/president...lican-party-and-a-top-law-firm-201737760.html
President Trump’s personal attorney is now working with the Republican Party and a top law firm
Hunter Walker
April 3, 2017

...Squire Patton Boggs is one of the country’s biggest lobbying firms. Among other clients, the firm has worked with foreign entities including Turkey and the Palestinian Authority. Squire Patton Boggs also represented the Kremlin controlled OAO Gazprombank after the U.S. imposed sanctions on the bank in 2014.

Cohen..

...He described his role as the president’s lawyer as similar to the one he played at Trump’s company..

https://medium.com/@Erinlank/why-wa...during-his-presidential-campaign-4228ca935c19
EL Nov 26, 2017
Why was Donald Trump Doing Business With A Murderer During His Presidential Campaign?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...uld-be-moscow-partner-faces-ire-of-homebuyers
Trump’s Would-Be Moscow Partner Faces Homebuyers’ Ire
September 1, 2017
..Mirax, where Rozov and Sater served together on the executive board, was headed by a Russian billionaire and property developer named Sergei Polonsky. At the height of his wealth, Polonsky’s ..drew comparisons to Trump in the media...

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[Mycroft]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

That's pretty dubious. From your link...



Looks like Nunes is getting his information straight from the WH....you know, the same WH that is currently under investigation for collusion and obstruction of justice.

Again, you don't understand a thing.

The information for the Nunes memo came from the FBI and the DOJ...not the WH. The "green light" the WH gave was concerning whether classified information had been dealt with, since it was their call. Furthermore, the WH solicited the advice of the DOJ and the FBI before giving their green light.

 

[Vern]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

I already knew the FBI relied on what was essentially unsubstantiated Hillary campaign and DNC funded oppo-research to not only justify a investigation into Trumps campaign for collusion and its alleged ties to Russia, but to obtain FISA warrants

Using Democrat funded oppp-research to conduct surveillance on the opposition candidate during a election year is a massive breach of public trust, and its highly corrupt and illegal

that's my fenton. Once he latches onto a lying conservative narrative, he's never going to let it go. Fenton, read this slowly, even the liar and trump stooge Nunes told you

The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016

Your conservative masters appreciate your obedience but if they force you to constantly choose narrative over integrity then there is something wrong with them.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Keep watching Fox Snooze and reading conservativetreehouse...

shrug...and you keep on with your ineffective snark and sarcasm.

I don't watch any news media and I read a wide variety of sources, both left and right biased. I filter out the bias and consider the facts.

Yeah...I'll keep doing that.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Show me what classified information Nunes handled in an irresponsible manner.

Back up your contentions.

OMG. Are really this dense? The MEMO! The Republican Memo that Nunes wrote. You need to start backing up your selective memory.

DOJ Letter to Nunes

 

[Jetboogieman]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

I filter out the bias and consider the facts.

Yeah...I'll keep doing that.

Yeah since you're a birther, I don't know how you can keep doing something you've never done.

 

[Vern]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Really? What proof do you have?

"pathologically dishonest whore and sycophantic lickspittle" may be hard to prove but this proves he's a liar and trump stooge.

Somehow a lot of conservatives seemed to have missed the fact that nunes proved himself a liar and trump stooge last year. Which of course came in handy when nunes released his “memo" and ended the house Russia probe. But on fox and friends, nunes tried to downplay don jr’s meeting with the Russians with the long discredited “talking point” about adoptions.

During an interview on Tuesday’s edition of Fox & Friends, House Intelligence Committee Chair Devin Nunes (R-CA) justified the decision made by Republicans on the committee to end its probe into the Trump campaign for possible collusion with Russia with a Trump talking point that was debunked eight months ago.

“If you look at the one example of which was I think bad judgement which is where they met with a Russian lawyer, but it had to do with Russian adoptions,” Nunes said, after he was asked to explain how the House Intelligence Committee arrived at its conclusion that there was no collusion.

https://thinkprogress.org/devin-nun...e-trump-tower-meeting-adoptions-29e45e8dbfc5/

Here don jr’s emails setting up the meeting for those that are still unaware the “adoption” story was a lie.

The email exchange Trump Jr. released, in chronological order

 

[Vern]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

shrug...and you keep on with your ineffective snark and sarcasm.

I don't watch any news media and I read a wide variety of sources, both left and right biased. I filter out the bias and consider the facts.

Yeah...I'll keep doing that.

so what about the fact that Nunes proved himself a liar and trump stooge? I don't see you pumping the brakes on your obedient belief in what Nunes tells you. You flailed with the hilariously false "Sounds to me like Nunes determined why Don Jr. met with the Russians" and you tried to deflect with "meuller has not interviewed Veselnitskaya" but I don't see where you accepted that nunes is a liar and trump stooge.

Somehow a lot of conservatives seemed to have missed the fact that nunes proved himself a liar and trump stooge last year. Which of course came in handy when nunes released his “memo" and ended the house Russia probe. But on fox and friends, nunes tried to downplay don jr’s meeting with the Russians with the long discredited “talking point” about adoptions.

During an interview on Tuesday’s edition of Fox & Friends, House Intelligence Committee Chair Devin Nunes (R-CA) justified the decision made by Republicans on the committee to end its probe into the Trump campaign for possible collusion with Russia with a Trump talking point that was debunked eight months ago.

“If you look at the one example of which was I think bad judgement which is where they met with a Russian lawyer, but it had to do with Russian adoptions,” Nunes said, after he was asked to explain how the House Intelligence Committee arrived at its conclusion that there was no collusion.

https://thinkprogress.org/devin-nun...e-trump-tower-meeting-adoptions-29e45e8dbfc5/

Here don jr’s emails setting up the meeting for those that are still unaware the “adoption” story was a lie.

The email exchange Trump Jr. released, in chronological order

 

[Atomic Kid]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Guess you never heard of the president elect's transition team, then. Speaking with foreign governments prior to the inauguration is what they do.

There is speaking with a foreign government and then there is conducting foreign policy with a foreign government. You can only do the latter when you become officially become the President as we have only one president at any one time. And if these meetings with Russians are just of getting to know you variety. Then why all the secrecy and the lying about having met with them? What could they be trying to hide?

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

OMG. Are really this dense? The MEMO! The Republican Memo that Nunes wrote. You need to start backing up your selective memory.

DOJ Letter to Nunes

This letter is nonsense.

1. "Media reports indicate that the Committee's memorandum
contains highly classified material confidentially provided by the Department to the Committee
in a secure facility."

LOL!! Since when does the DOJ rely on "media reports"? Don't tell me you are comfortable with the DOJ accepting "unnamed sources".

2. This letter was written before the Nunes memo was created and sent to the White House for approval. At that point, the DOJ and FBI had ample time to examine the actual memo for classified information. The WH approved the release of the memo to the public.

Nunes took all required and necessary steps to deal with any classified information. Nothing was handles in an irresponsible manner.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

There is speaking with a foreign government and then there is conducting foreign policy with a foreign government. You can only do the latter when you become officially become the President as we have only one president at any one time. And if these meetings with Russians are just of getting to know you variety. Then why all the secrecy and the lying about having met with them? What could they be trying to hide?

Who knows what they were trying to hide...or, even, if they were. Why don't you have an investigation to find out?

Oh...wait...we've had one going on for a year. And what has it found? Nothing.

But hey...keep the hope alive, right? There's GOT to be something.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

so what about the fact that Nunes proved himself a liar and trump stooge? I don't see you pumping the brakes on your obedient belief in what Nunes tells you. You flailed with the hilariously false "Sounds to me like Nunes determined why Don Jr. met with the Russians" and you tried to deflect with "meuller has not interviewed Veselnitskaya" but I don't see where you accepted that nunes is a liar and trump stooge.

Unlike Mueller, Congress actually investigated that meeting. They even interviewed the lawyer. She said it was about adoptions.

Oh well, Trump haters will hate...and nothing will get in their way.

 

[Moot]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Again, you don't understand a thing.

The information for the Nunes memo came from the FBI and the DOJ...not the WH. The "green light" the WH gave was concerning whether classified information had been dealt with, since it was their call. Furthermore, the WH solicited the advice of the DOJ and the FBI before giving their green light.

The Foxnews article alledges the FBI fired Steele in September 2016 for "talking to the press." If that's true, then why did the FBI meet with Steele in Rome in early October 2016 and offer him $50K to cooberate the dossier?

 

[OpportunityCost]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Since the FBI had hired Steele before, how do you know they didn't hire him, again? Steele met with the FBI at least twice during the period he made the dossier, once in London on June 2016 and once again in Rome in October 3, 2016. According to FusionGPS, Steele stopped cooperating with the FBI after a NYT report came out on October 31 stating the "FBI did not see a clear link between Trump and Russia."

The fact that Steele was in contact and "cooperating" with the FBI suggests that they were paying him.

That doesn't make him am official US source. He was not a US agent, but a contractor.

 

[Jetboogieman]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

She said it was about adoptions.

Despite the fact that the emails that Don Jr. himself released that shows otherwise...

 

[OpportunityCost]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

The Foxnews article alledges the FBI fired Steele in September 2016 for "talking to the press." If that's true, then why did the FBI meet with Steele in Rome in early October 2016 and offer him $50K to cooberate the dossier?

Moot, how exactly does the source of the dossier corroborate his own work? Corroboration is done by a second source to verify, not by the guy who wrote it up in the first place.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Despite the fact that the emails that Don Jr. himself released that shows otherwise...

So if a campaign is offered proof of a crime, they should ignore it? The "dirt" on the Clinton campaign was knowingly accepting foreign campaign contributions, a clear FEC violation. What do you propose they should have done?

 

[Media_Truth]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Do you really believe anything that come out of the mouth of Trumps personal puppet?

And reported on FAUX News.

 

[Jetboogieman]

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So if a campaign is offered proof of a crime, they should ignore it? The "dirt" on the Clinton campaign was knowingly accepting foreign campaign contributions, a clear FEC violation. What do you propose they should have done?

I'm not getting into all that, but Mycroft keeps proclaiming, falsely, that the meeting had to do with adoptions, which this explicitly show it wasn't.

Par for the course for a Trump supporter and a birther to make such false claims.

 

[Moot]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

That doesn't make him am official US source. He was not a US agent, but a contractor.

That's beside the point. The FBI hires and pays sources all the time. In this case, in early October 2016 the FBI offered Steele $50K to cooberate the dossier...but it was never paid because Steele broke ties with the FBI in late October after the NYT article was published.

 

[OpportunityCost]

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I'm not getting into all that, but Mycroft keeps proclaiming, falsely, that the meeting had to do with adoptions, which this explicitly show it wasn't.

Par for the course for a Trump supporter and a birther to make such false claims.

Of course you aren't getting into all that. Ill ask again, what should they have done? No one EVER wants to answer that question.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

That's beside the point. The FBI hires and pays sources all the time. In this case, in early October 2016 the FBI offered Steele $50K to cooberate the dossier...but it was never paid because Steele broke ties with the FBI in late October after the NYT article was published.

That doesn't make their work product official. Corroboration by the FBI makes it official. Again, the author of something doesn't corroborate it, other sources do. You don't seem to know what corroborate means.

 

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Duplicate ...delete