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Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump[W:895]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

it was compiled by a former member of MI6, one of Britain's intelligence agencies that often collaborate with american intelligence agencies.

He was not employed by them or us at the time he made the dossier. Original point still stands.
 
Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

He didn't say that at all.

Then what did he say?
 
Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

It isn't there. That's something that would get leaked.

Besides, Mueller's spox said last week that "many" of the stories about the investigation are wrong.

Really? Like how Comey's comments in his memos about Trump's repeated discussions with Putin about hookers got leaked over a year ago?

Oh, wait - they DIDN'T get leaked at all until the Republicans in the House got the Justice Dept. to hand over those memos!



So much for your claim.
 
Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

I don't recall the Mainstream Media EVER basing 90% of its news on unnamed sources.

Then you haven't been paying attention. Even as far back as Watergate, anonymous sources were a crucial part of reporting. Look up the WaPo's "Deep Throat" source that they kept anonymous for decades afterwards.
 
Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Really? Like how Comey's comments in his memos about Trump's repeated discussions with Putin about hookers got leaked over a year ago?

Oh, wait - they DIDN'T get leaked at all until the Republicans in the House got the Justice Dept. to hand over those memos!



So much for your claim.

How is that even relevant?
 
Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

that's pretty funny ap, he was unable to "uncover" why don jr met with the Russians. All had to do was read don jr's emails

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.

That isn't a crime. Know whatta mean, Vern?
 
Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

No its not. We got plenty. He proved he was a liar and trump stooge last year and he did it again this year. You should start to wonder if the Russian have compromised him too.

Think Progress, Vern? :lamo
 
Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

He's a proven pathologically dishonest whore and sycophantic lickspittle.

Why would you consider anything he says to be credible?

And that also goes for pretty much every person who serves in any US administration so where does that leave us?
 
Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

......

Also, you haven't learned that there was any collusion to steal the 2016 election because NOBODY has found any evidence of such collusion. At least not by Trump or any of his people. This is simply something you "believe"...something you are taking on faith, much the way a Christian believes they will go to heaven or hell.

On the other hand, we ARE finding evidence that there was collusion to steal the 2016 election...by the Democrats, with the help of the Obama administration. But that flies in the face of your faith, doesn't it?

In any case, I'm done talking to you.

You are dismissed.

This is a comment on the condervativenuthouse page you linked to. You and your ilk have walled yourselves off. Nixon "enjoyed" fifty percent republican approval
as he waved good-bye on his way to California exile. It is plain to see there is no reasoning with you.

Your link: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/04/22/sunday-talks-explosive-interview-with-devin-nunes/

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/04/22/sunday-talks-explosive-interview-with-devin-nunes/
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315 Responses to Sunday Talks – Explosive Interview With Devin Nunes…
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ristvan says:
April 22, 2018 at 6:00 pm
...Parsing Nunes to Bartiromo in brief, no 5eyes formal intelligence in EC. State department irregularities (Blumenthal, Shearer Clinton operatives) feeding State feeding FBI. Looks bad. Nunes is playing his straight arrow cards, as he should since he is a straight arrow.....

....But now ask the Crooked Arrow question, so why does the Russian Collusion fake news persist? A: it had to be carefully constructed PR. Now, does HRC have that degree of intelligence? Highly doubtful. Does BHO? Maybe, but why destroy your legacy for HRC?? So who has both motive and incentive (and likely also ability) to carefully construct a lie based on a semblance of reality? Yup, the Clinton Foundation. What follows is a breadcrumbs trail through many google fu’d media reports.

The Russia collusion story per NYT and BBC started when then Aus ambassador to UK Alexander Downer reported to US State on a London ‘wine bar’ conversation he had with minor Trump campaign volunteer George Papadapolous concerning Russian access to Clinton emails reported to P. by shady Maltse (with definite Russian connections) Maltese Prof. Milfsud, then at a shortly thereafter defunk London thinktank. Note convenient lack of subsequent traceability.
Second, Papadapolous is ‘convicted’ by Mueller of lying about Milfsud. BUT what if Milfsud/Downer was the actual lier? Then P. was setup framed on purpose to further the narrative..
Third, how the heck did a 30 year old energy consultant arrange to meet with Australia’s UK ambassador at a London bar??? Answer, it was per many press reports set up by Downer, not P.! WTF??
Fourth, before Downer was Australia’s UK ambassador, he was the AUS Foreign Minister. AND, in that capacity, he arranged for Australia to give $25 million to the Clinton Foundation in 2006. A well known, long time CF ‘friend’. The London ‘favor’ is a small ‘Godfather’ return.

So, as some have observed, all roads lead eventually to the Pay-for-Play Clinton Foundation.
The ‘insurance policy’ may have been hatched inside DoJ/FBI. But its antecedents were carefully designed by the Clinton Foundation to continue its extraordinarily profitable pay to play with HRC as President. The Lynch/Comey/Clapper saps were just pawns.
We Deplorables managed to stop that thanks grace to God. Now stuff hits the fan.
 
Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Horowitz has been investigating a LOT of different issues. My guess is he'll be releasing his finding in bits...each dealing with a different issue. He's already released the McCabe stuff. He still has this stuff left:

•Clinton email, manipulated investigations with predetermined outcomes;

•False testimony to FBI, congress and under oath to IG (Comey/McCabe);

•Manipulated FBI 302 reports, and/or false presentation of documents;

•Willful political corruption by Asst. Director Andrew McCabe; Director Comey etc.

•Unlawful use of FBI and NSD databases;

•Political issues within Main Justice DOJ-NSD (Carlin, McCord, Ohr, Yates);

•Issues with the FISA court; •false presentations; •source material (Steele Dossier);

•State Department involvement. •unmasking. •origination of counterintelligence op.

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...-details-ig-horowitz-report-on-andrew-mccabe/

Plus his new investigation concerning Comey's classified memos.

Nice list. Thanks. I am going to bookmark this.
 
Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

This is a comment on the condervativenuthouse page you linked to. You and your ilk have walled yourselves off. Nixon "enjoyed" fifty percent republican approval
as he waved good-bye on his way to California exile. It is plain to see there is no reasoning with you.

Your link: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/04/22/sunday-talks-explosive-interview-with-devin-nunes/

???

I don't know which is more dumbass...

1. Trying to tie a comment from some anonymous person on the internet to me.

2. Expecting me to defend the comment from some anonymous person on the internet.

Tell you what...get into the honest habit of responding to what I say...and only to what I say. We'll get along great if you do (unless, of course, you make dumbass responses)
 
Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

He was not employed by them or us at the time he made the dossier. Original point still stands.

Since the FBI had hired Steele before, how do you know they didn't hire him, again? Steele met with the FBI at least twice during the period he made the dossier, once in London on June 2016 and once again in Rome in October 3, 2016. According to FusionGPS, Steele stopped cooperating with the FBI after a NYT report came out on October 31 stating the "FBI did not see a clear link between Trump and Russia."

The fact that Steele was in contact and "cooperating" with the FBI suggests that they were paying him.
 
Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

???

I don't know which is more dumbass...

1. Trying to tie a comment from some anonymous person on the internet to me.

2. Expecting me to defend the comment from some anonymous person on the internet.

Tell you what...get into the honest habit of responding to what I say...and only to what I say. We'll get along great if you do (unless, of course, you make dumbass responses)

The guy can't track. He starts out with unicorns and winds up in Nebraska picking corn.
 
Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

I have not read through the thread, and I do not watch YouTube videos that people post, but when I read this story I had one question and I hope someone here can answer it:

WTF is OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE and how is it different than unofficial intelligence?
 
Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

You know what...I'm really getting tired of responding to you, when you don't know what you are talking about and when you don't understand what you read...even when you present it to make your case.

For example...you keep talking about Flynn and some imaginary FISA approved wiretap on him. That didn't exist. He was recorded in an intercepted phone call with a foreign national. That article you posted made that clear...except to you, of course. Flynn was NOT the target of the wiretap. Nunes, when talking about FISA wiretaps, wasn't talking about Flynn.

Also, you haven't learned that there was any collusion to steal the 2016 election because NOBODY has found any evidence of such collusion. At least not by Trump or any of his people. This is simply something you "believe"...something you are taking on faith, much the way a Christian believes they will go to heaven or hell.

On the other hand, we ARE finding evidence that there was collusion to steal the 2016 election...by the Democrats, with the help of the Obama administration. But that flies in the face of your faith, doesn't it?

In any case, I'm done talking to you.

You are dismissed.
LOL I'm not surprised you can't defend Nunes nonsense. When the facts aren't your side...distract, distort, demean, deny and dismiss.
 
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Since the FBI had hired Steele before, how do you know they didn't hire him, again? Steele met with the FBI at least twice during the period he made the dossier, once in London on June 2016 and once again in Rome in October 3, 2016. According to FusionGPS, Steele stopped cooperating with the FBI after a NYT report came out on October 31 stating the "FBI did not see a clear link between Trump and Russia."

The fact that Steele was in contact and "cooperating" with the FBI suggests that they were paying him.

February 2nd
Steele was “suspended and then terminated” as an FBI source for what the bureau defined “as the most serious of violations” – an “unauthorized disclosure to the media of his relationship with the FBI.”

FISA memo: Steele fired as an FBI source for breaking 'cardinal rule' --leaking to the media | Fox News
 
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???

I don't know which is more dumbass...

1. Trying to tie a comment from some anonymous person on the internet to me.

2. Expecting me to defend the comment from some anonymous person on the internet.

Tell you what...get into the honest habit of responding to what I say...and only to what I say. We'll get along great if you do (unless, of course, you make dumbass responses)

I think post wasn't even aware that he was reading the comment section ... :lol:
 
Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

I have not read through the thread, and I do not watch YouTube videos that people post, but when I read this story I had one question and I hope someone here can answer it:

WTF is OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE and how is it different than unofficial intelligence?

I knew there were people like you around, so I answered your question in post #215.
 
Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

This morning, Rep. Nunes was interviewed by Maria Bartiromo of Fox News. He made a statement about what was found in the electronic communications document he was finally able to get from the FBI that is simply stunning.

Listen for yourself:

We're on the opposite sides of the political coin Mycroft, but I very much do enjoy discussing & debating with you.

But man, it's impossible to take Devin Nunes seriously at all.

And here, from the get-go he claims the tip didn't come from 5 Eyes, so he jumps to the conclusion that there was no intelligence to start the Russian probe. Fox follows through with the headline, and the next 8 minutes are building on the false initial premise (a very common Fox technique).

That's what I see.
 
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February 2nd
Steele was “suspended and then terminated” as an FBI source for what the bureau defined “as the most serious of violations” – an “unauthorized disclosure to the media of his relationship with the FBI.”

FISA memo: Steele fired as an FBI source for breaking 'cardinal rule' --leaking to the media | Fox News
That's pretty dubious. From your link...

The report, compiled by the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and greenlighted for release by the White House...

Looks like Nunes is getting his information straight from the WH....you know, the same WH that is currently under investigation for collusion and obstruction of justice.
 
Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

That isn't a crime. Know whatta mean, Vern?

Oh ap, I'm not making the claim its a crime. It may be but I'm unconcerned with that right now. The email proves that nunes lied when he said the meeting was about adoptions hence he's a liar and a trump stooge. So read my point slower this time. Nunes lied about that, why would you believe anything he's said. And its not the first time he's proven himself to be a liar and a trump stooge.

Think Progress, Vern? :lamo

see ap, that's whining. And obedient whining at that. And what makes it obedient whining is you cant refute what they've posted. It has the video of Nunes lying about why don jr met the Russians. And I posted a link to the emails. I'm sure your conservative masters appreciate your obedience but why are conservative narratives more important than your integrity?
 
Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

I'm sure your conservative masters appreciate your obedience but why are conservative narratives more important than your integrity?

Beats me. Go ask every member of the Democrat Party who have spent decades giving Bill Clinton a free pass for his "shortcomings". They are the experts on balancing their integrity, right?

Judge their actions first, then I'll listen to your BS theories about Trump supporters. deal?
 
Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

How about one of you liberals actually listen to the clip and offer a critique of what he said.

I listened to the first 2:30 minutes of the interview and dismissed it at that point. Why? Because none of the information in the Russian dossier came from intelligence gathered from spying on any citizen from the countries Nunes mentioned as coming under the FIBI Agreement. Yes, Christopher Steele is a British citizen and former intelligence officer and yes some of the information from the dossier was vetted by MI5 (or 6...I can't remember which agency exactly), but sharing intelligence between allied countries isn't the same as gathering intelligence from surveillance activity conducted on citizens from allied/partner countries.

Nunes is simply trying to conflate the issue as far as how the information eventually was collected. Folks have to remember, most of the foreign intel was conducted in Germany (Prague) and former satellite Russian states (Ukraine), neither of whom are part of the so-called FIBA agreement.

I'll try to listen to the rest of the interview later, but what Nunes said in the initial 2:30 minutes was enough for me to dismiss him out-right.
 
Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Trump on the brain! Trump, Trump, Trump. Please read the thread before making your silly comments.
Thanks... :doh

It was just a simple question. Seeing how you are so offended by, "Name calling and mud slinging" and such.
 
Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

We're on the opposite sides of the political coin Mycroft, but I very much do enjoy discussing & debating with you.

But man, it's impossible to take Devin Nunes seriously at all.

And here, from the get-go he claims the tip didn't come from 5 Eyes, so he jumps to the conclusion that there was no intelligence to start the Russian probe. Fox follows through with the headline, and the next 8 minutes are building on the false initial premise (a very common Fox technique).

That's what I see.

That official intelligence would have to come from 5 Eyes AND/OR from US intelligence. What he said is that no "official intelligence" started the investigation into Trump.

So...the question is, if there was no official intelligence, what information was given to the FBI that actually started the investigation? Who did it come from? Was it reliable? Was it that bogus info from Fusion GPS? Was it the stuff Blumenthal told the State Department?

As Nunes said, you peel back one layer and it opens up more questions. He's still looking for answers.
 
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