Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump[W:895]

[Lerxst]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Well, for one...to Congress. The public, for another. Their own internal rules.

Seriously, you don't think the FBI can just investigate anyone they want for any...or no...reason, do you?

They have specific procedural requirements just like every other law enforcement agency in this nation has.

They are under no obligation to go to Congress and ask for permission. Permission is already granted to them in the USC, so long as they follow proper procedure.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

They have specific procedural requirements just like every other law enforcement agency in this nation has.

They are under no obligation to go to Congress and ask for permission. Permission is already granted to them in the USC, so long as they follow proper procedure.

I didn't say they had to ask for permission. I said they had to justify their investigation.

Please don't make **** up.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Ixnay the cliff comment.

Too late.

 

[Mach]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Why are you interested in my words about what Nunes found when you can listen to him tell you what he found.?

Because this is debate Politcs and that moron Nunes and that moronic FOx news host is not here to debate, that's appeal to authority. Or worse, you're doing free marketing for Fox news...but that can't be true because you say you don't watch Fox news.

But you are, on debate politics, having posted a thread presumably to you know DEBATE some point.

I already watched the absurdly dumb 8 minutes of nothing, and detailed it here:
https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...start-doj-spying-trump-13.html#post1068434824

In the spirit of debate, you have no point, you cannot say what precisely you found "stunning" or why? Good lord man.

Don't tell me what to do, and I won't tell you what to do. See how that works? Sure you do.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Because this is debate Politcs and that moron Nunes and that moronic FOx news host is not here to debate, that's appeal to authority. Or worse, you're doing free marketing for Fox news...but that can't be true because you say you don't watch Fox news.

But you are, on debate politics, having posted a thread presumably to you know DEBATE some point.

I already watched the absurdly dumb 8 minutes of nothing, and detailed it here:
https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...start-doj-spying-trump-13.html#post1068434824

In the spirit of debate, you have no point, you cannot say what precisely you found "stunning" or why? Good lord man.

This is the Breaking News forum. I presented breaking news. In another post, I gave my take. I posted numerous comments.

RTT

 

[Mach]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

This is the Breaking News forum. I presented breaking news. In another post, I gave my take. I posted numerous comments.
RTT

I'm stunned.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

This is the Breaking News forum. I presented breaking news. In another post, I gave my take. I posted numerous comments.

RTT

I think you would have been better off posting the transcript of what the video said.

 

[Lerxst]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

What did he find Mycroft? Use your words, like you learnt in school Stop being lazy and saying "watch the video", and then calming I'm lazy because in post #123 I detailed how stupid your video was.
The whole interview is not important, dumbest post of the week.


And I told you to do the work to make your own claim, in your own thread.

I already listened, if you had a clue and read the post in your own thread, you'd know that. And it's a pointless rambling of a rock-stupid host, and Nunes who mumbles about not having found a "five-eyes intelligence product". BIG ****ING DEAL!!! It's irrelevant, not news, and would only stun a moron is my guess.

As I said before, the funniest part was when the dumb host asked if maybe Hillary was directing the activity...

I thought you never watched Fox? Just more lies I guess.

There is a lot of "copy and paste" and "I'll let the internets talk for me" kind of stuff oozing out of the Trump supporters around the internet. Quite often, when you get past the catchy title, what you find doesn't live up to the hype. Well, at least to the people that actually take the time to watch/read what the OP links up. And when this is pointed out, rather than dive in and actually articulate what the content of the article means to their thought process, they will just tell you to "go read the article" or "watch the video" in lieu of actually discussing what it is they think they posted. They voted for a guy who's main mechanism for communicating with his base, and well the rest of the world, is through Twitter tantrums.

So a youtube video is kind of a big deal.

 

[Athanasius68]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Stop being so gullible VERN, its embarrassing

Clapper testified that he never heard of him, which means Papadopoulos wasn't even part of the Intelligence briefing Clapper, Brennan and Comey gave to Obama, Trump and Congress back in January 2017

This briefing...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...d296534b31e_story.html?utm_term=.84bf24f37e74

As part of the plea agreement with Papadapolous, the government admitted that they didnt start investigating him until Jan 2017.
A strange way to start an investigation-- go after some other guy first.

 

[Athanasius68]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Here's the conversation MC.





Do you ever post anything honest? Again, there's no maybe about it. Even your conservative masters agree that The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016. And you saying "Papa-whatshisname" only proves to me you know what you're posting is false. Smarmy is not your forte. Stick to obediently parroting conservative narratives and ignoring the facts.

Aye. And they ran out and got a warrant on Carter Page. Helluva way to start an investigation....
Papadopoulous wasnt investigated until jan 2017.

 

[Mach]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

There is a lot of "copy and paste" and "I'll let the internets talk for me" kind of stuff oozing out of the Trump supporters around the internet. Quite often, when you get past the catchy title, what you find doesn't live up to the hype. Well, at least to the people that actually take the time to watch/read what the OP links up. And when this is pointed out, rather than dive in and actually articulate what the content of the article means to their thought process, they will just tell you to "go read the article" or "watch the video" in lieu of actually discussing what it is they think they posted. They voted for a guy who's main mechanism for communicating with his base, and well the rest of the world, is through Twitter tantrums.
So a youtube video is kind of a big deal.

I see it as shameless propaganda peddling, really no different than if someone working for Smoothie King came in here and starting stalking about how good smoothie king was.

In rare cases people may not really know what they are doing, but that's something you learn after being here a while I would assume.

I post in breaking news on occasion and I would think it would be juvenile of me to make a claim in the OP, and not debate it... But worse, to tell someone asking to debate it, "to go and watch the entire 8 minute video". Worse than that, to tell someone to watch the entire video, when that person already posted they watched it, and gave a summary of it.... Just because some people have to be *even worse*, they would then tell the poster they are lazy for wanting them to debate or to back their claims.

Madness!

Here, debate against this 8 minute video, good luck and keep watching Fox news! (While saying in other threads you don't watch Fox news!)

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Aye. And they ran out and got a warrant on Carter Page. Helluva way to start an investigation....
Papadopoulous wasnt investigated until jan 2017.

Got a timeline for that?

The Russia investigation and Donald Trump: a timeline from on-the-record sources | PolitiFact

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

I see it as shameless propaganda peddling, really no different than if someone working for Smoothie King came in here and starting stalking about how good smoothie king was.

In rare cases people may not really know what they are doing, but that's something you learn after being here a while I would assume.

I post in breaking news on occasion and I would think it would be juvenile of me to make a claim in the OP, and not debate it... But worse, to tell someone asking to debate it, "to go and watch the entire 8 minute video". Worse than that, to tell someone to watch the entire video, when that person already posted they watched it, and gave a summary of it.... Just because some people have to be *even worse*, they would then tell the poster they are lazy for wanting them to debate or to back their claims.

Madness!

Here, debate against this 8 minute video, good luck and keep watching Fox news! (While saying in other threads you don't watch Fox news!)

And that is why I only post videos to make a joke.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

I think you would have been better off posting the transcript of what the video said.

shrug...

If you want it, look for it yourself.

 

[upsideguy]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

It was because of Nunes work that we learned the dossier was used to spy on Carter Page. In fact, nothing in the Nunes memo was shown to be factually incorrect. Nor has he been shown to lack credibility. That is just leftist talking points because you guys dont want to know what the Obama people were up to.

Sorry, "Nunes work" is proof of nada. Have you read this thread? 1/2 to 2/3 of the posters have said Nunes has no credibility. You need credibility to have a credible credible cite, so this is a fail. Regroup and try again as your assertion has no muster.

BTW... the problem with the Nunes memo is it is riddled with half-truths. His statements may be valid in and of themselves, but as they are half-truths, the conclusions drawn upon them (as you are trying to do here) are suspect because Nunes did not paint the complete picture. Wasn't Andrew McCabe fired and referred to justice for this sin yet you attempt to commit such a sin here.

Supporting any assertion with the use of the name 'Nunes' is just a non-starter.

BTW, the challenge was to support this statement

The FISA scandal has not been a bust. Quite the contrary.

with credible third party evidence. I see no support for "The FISA scandal has not been a bust. Quite the contrary"... all I see is circular reasoning..... It hasn't been a bust because of Nunes work....

 

[Vern]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Stop being so gullible VERN, its embarrassing

Clapper testified that he never heard of him, which means Papadopoulos wasn't even part of the Intelligence briefing Clapper, Brennan and Comey gave to Obama, Trump and Congress back in January 2017

This briefing...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...d296534b31e_story.html?utm_term=.84bf24f37e74

this is a big step fenton, because you actually posted a link from a legitimate news organization. Now you have another big step Fenton, cut and paste the blurb from your link that you think proves your point. And then explain the "theory" you have that you think disproves your conservative masters telling you The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 .

You got to put your "theory" together with the "facts" you think backs up your "theory" and then explain it. I realize debate still befuddles you after 6 years but you need to catch on.

 

[Vern]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Aye. And they ran out and got a warrant on Carter Page. Helluva way to start an investigation....
Papadopoulous wasnt investigated until jan 2017.

Athan, the problem isn't that you're clinging to a false conservative narrative or something that you literally made up. The problem is once its proven beyond all doubt what you believe is false, your "beliefs" wont change. You'll just cling to another false conservative narrative or just makes something else up. Read this slowly. This phrase comes directly from the memo Nunes/House Intelligence Committee released in February

The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016

If you have information to disprove this, please contact Nunes/House Intelligence Committee immediately, they are looking for your help.

 

[Fletch]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Sorry, "Nunes work" is proof of nada. Have you read this thread? 1/2 to 2/3 of the posters have said Nunes has no credibility.

Lol. And 100% of that 1/2 to 2/3 are liberals simply parroting liberal talking points. Maybe that is the sort of thing that persuades you. but it doesnt do a thing for me.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Athan, the problem isn't that you're clinging to a false conservative narrative or something that you literally made up. The problem is once its proven beyond all doubt what you believe is false, your "beliefs" wont change. You'll just cling to another false conservative narrative or just makes something else up. Read this slowly. This phrase comes directly from the memo Nunes/House Intelligence Committee released in February

The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016

If you have information to disprove this, please contact Nunes/House Intelligence Committee immediately, they are looking for your help.

Nunes dismissed that Papa-whatshisface nonsense in that interview. He doesn't need any help with it.

 

[Vern]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Lol. And 100% of that 1/2 to 2/3 are liberals simply parroting liberal talking points. Maybe that is the sort of thing that persuades you. but it doesnt do a thing for me.

Fletch, pointing out the documented lies and stoogery of Nunes is not a talking point. Just because you pretend not to read my posts doesn't mean you get to ignore the facts. You once again prove that when it comes time for conservatives to choose narrative or integrity, they choose narrative.

 

[Vern]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Nunes dismissed that Papa-whatshisface nonsense in that interview. He doesn't need any help with it.

oooo MC, you need to clearly document what you're posting because its not clear. How did Nunes dismiss Papadopoulos in "that interview" because nunes is the one that told us The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016? It really needs to be something like "okay, I was wrong in February I now claim......"

Something tells me you're still filtering out the facts.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

oooo MC, you need to clearly document what you're posting because its not clear. How did Nunes dismiss Papadopoulos in "that interview" because nunes is the one that told us The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016? It really needs to be something like "okay, I was wrong in February I now claim......"

Something tells me you're still filtering out the facts.

Go to the video...time mark 1:45 or so.

 

[The Mark]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

This morning, Rep. Nunes was interviewed by Maria Bartiromo of Fox News. He made a statement about what was found in the electronic communications document he was finally able to get from the FBI that is simply stunning.

Listen for yourself:

I want to see the document in question, and read it myself.
Propaganda is inherently suspicious.

 

[Lerxst]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Sorry, "Nunes work" is proof of nada. Have you read this thread? 1/2 to 2/3 of the posters have said Nunes has no credibility. You need credibility to have a credible credible cite, so this is a fail. Regroup and try again as your assertion has no muster.

BTW... the problem with the Nunes memo is it is riddled with half-truths. His statements may be valid in and of themselves, but as they are half-truths, the conclusions drawn upon them (as you are trying to do here) are suspect because Nunes did not paint the complete picture. Wasn't Andrew McCabe fired and referred to justice for this sin yet you attempt to commit such a sin here.

Supporting any assertion with the use of the name 'Nunes' is just a non-starter.

BTW, the challenge was to support this statement



with credible third party evidence. I see no support for "The FISA scandal has not been a bust. Quite the contrary"... all I see is circular reasoning..... It hasn't been a bust because of Nunes work....

Nunes using half-truths to try and discredit FBI agents for allegedly telling half-truths.

That's neat.

 

[Lerxst]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Lol. And 100% of that 1/2 to 2/3 are liberals simply parroting liberal talking points. Maybe that is the sort of thing that persuades you. but it doesnt do a thing for me.

Come on man, you just posted meaningless right wing propaganda and you're trying to call others out for "parroting liberal talking points?"

Physician heal thyself...