Nunes aide communicated with Parnas about Ukraine campaign, messages show

[Conservative]

Re: Text Messages Show Devon Nunes was Deep Into Ukraine Blackmail Scheme

OK, I believe Trump is the most destructive force in perhaps a century of politics. So it appears we disagree. Our Republic has survived worse, and people doing things you don't like and don't agree with does not mean it's a threat to the republic.

Yes, the results sure show that, especially for a liberal


DP and Dollar change
2013 16974.9
2014 17527.7 552,8
2015 18224.8 697.1
2016 18715.0 490.2
2017 19519.4 804.4
2018 20580.2 1006.1 Notice the drop from 697 billion growth to 490 billion growth then the surge. Trump inherited the 18.7 economy that is now approaching 22 trillion


Then there is this which Trump inherited and the comparison today. Anyone that claims the GDP growth now is similar to what Obama had is the true hack and totally has no credibility

2016 GDP growth 490 billion 1.6% annual vs 804 billion annual growth to over a trillion in 2018-2019
Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.5% today

Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 158.8 million today so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017(146 million to 152 million) is celebrated but 6.6 million growth I the last two years isn't!! LOL

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.7% today? Wow!! 2.6% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.3 million today? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs

African American unemployment 8.0% vs. 5.9% today? That explains the surge in support from African Americans for Trump

 

[jpn]

Re: Released Texts Show Lev Parnas In Frequent Contact With Nunes’ Aide House Intelligence Commit

Which doesn't answer my question. My question is, before you did not want to believe any portion of what Parnas was saying, its was garbage etc. NOW you want to believe him...because it is possibly damaging to Trump.

Its obvious what changed, its also obvious you all are flipping on how believable you think Parnas is. None of you will come close to admitting that, but I have come to expect it.

Yeah, well, Donald Trump and Lev Parnas are both defending themselves against serious allegations of criminal wrong-doing. But just one of them has released evidence to substantiate their defense. So who's the most credible?

As far as consistency goes,
Here's Rudy Giuliani after Parnas was arrested: “I certainly am not going to disavow them. Everything I’ve known about them says they would not commit a crime.”

Here's Rudy now: Giuliani said he would not respond to Parnas’s allegations, writing in a text that “he has no credibility.”

Yes, it's obvious what changed.

 

[JasperL]

Re: Released Texts Show Lev Parnas In Frequent Contact With Nunes’ Aide House Intelligence Commit

Which doesn't answer my question. My question is, before you did not want to believe any portion of what Parnas was saying, its was garbage etc. NOW you want to believe him...because it is possibly damaging to Trump.

Its obvious what changed, its also obvious you all are flipping on how believable you think Parnas is. None of you will come close to admitting that, but I have come to expect it.

If you're going to ask me questions, ignore my answer, twice, then tell me what I believe, why bother asking? WEIRD!

 

[Conservative]

Re: Released Texts Show Lev Parnas In Frequent Contact With Nunes’ Aide House Intelligence Commit

Yeah, well, Donald Trump and Lev Parnas are both defending themselves against serious allegations of criminal wrong-doing. But just one of them has released evidence to substantiate their defense. So who's the most credible?

As far as consistency goes,
Here's Rudy Giuliani after Parnas was arrested: “I certainly am not going to disavow them. Everything I’ve known about them says they would not commit a crime.”

Here's Rudy now: Giuliani said he would not respond to Parnas’s allegations, writing in a text that “he has no credibility.”

Yes, it's obvious what changed.

Do you think you are changing anyone's mind and believe that the 24/7 anti Trump rhetoric trumps what the American people are actually seeing
DP and Dollar change
2013 16974.9
2014 17527.7 552,8
2015 18224.8 697.1
2016 18715.0 490.2
2017 19519.4 804.4
2018 20580.2 1006.1 Notice the drop from 697 billion growth to 490 billion growth then the surge. Trump inherited the 18.7 economy that is now approaching 22 trillion


Then there is this which Trump inherited and the comparison today. Anyone that claims the GDP growth now is similar to what Obama had is the true hack and totally has no credibility

2016 GDP growth 490 billion 1.6% annual vs 804 billion annual growth to over a trillion in 2018-2019
Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.5% today

Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 158.8 million today so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017(146 million to 152 million) is celebrated but 6.6 million growth I the last two years isn't!! LOL

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.7% today? Wow!! 2.6% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.3 million today? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs

African American unemployment 8.0% vs. 5.9% today? That explains the surge in support from African Americans for Trump

 

[OpportunityCost]

Re: Released Texts Show Lev Parnas In Frequent Contact With Nunes’ Aide House Intelligence Commit

If you're going to ask me questions, ignore my answer, twice, then tell me what I believe, why bother asking? WEIRD!

Because you didn't answer the question!

I didn't ignore your answer, your response was not relative to the question asked...twice. Because you were attempting to evade answering it properly. Don't try to bull**** me and I won't need to call your bull**** out.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Re: Released Texts Show Lev Parnas In Frequent Contact With Nunes’ Aide House Intelligence Commit

Yeah, well, Donald Trump and Lev Parnas are both defending themselves against serious allegations of criminal wrong-doing. But just one of them has released evidence to substantiate their defense. So who's the most credible?

As far as consistency goes,
Here's Rudy Giuliani after Parnas was arrested: “I certainly am not going to disavow them. Everything I’ve known about them says they would not commit a crime.”

Here's Rudy now: Giuliani said he would not respond to Parnas’s allegations, writing in a text that “he has no credibility.”

Yes, it's obvious what changed.

I know, Democrats have a vested interest in hearing what he has to say now, whereas before they did not.

 

[JasperL]

Re: Text Messages Show Devon Nunes was Deep Into Ukraine Blackmail Scheme

Your position that the congress is filled with political elites kinda says it all as your position. My response is: 'Not necessarily'. In fact, may of the men who wrote the constitution had to go back to run their plantations and businesses rather than their public service, not envisioning a permanent political ruling class which are called today the 'political elite'. There are quite a number of state legislatures which are working just fine with part time legislators. I really don't see why this model can't be applied at the federal level.

And maybe the model of part time can be applied at the federal level, but it won't be. Not sure what else to say about that. I'd like to win the lottery, but I don't play it, and if I did I still wouldn't win.

If this is what your understanding of what I posted, then you are badly wrong. I believe I was clear enough in my post and refer you to re-read it.

I still believe that the Democrats, their deep state accomplices, and their sycophantic accomplices in the 'news' (DNC Pravda political propaganda) media are still a clear and present danger to the Republic. Clearly, opinions differ.

Yes, opinions differ.

LOCK HIM UP!! LOCK HIM UP!! LOCK HIM UP!! LOCK HIM UP!! LOCK HIM UP!! LOCK HIM UP!!

:2razz:

 

[JasperL]

Re: Released Texts Show Lev Parnas In Frequent Contact With Nunes’ Aide House Intelligence Commit

Because you didn't answer the question!

I didn't ignore your answer, your response was not relative to the question asked...twice. Because you were attempting to evade answering it properly. Don't try to bull**** me and I won't need to call your bull**** out.

OK, you said, "My question is, before you did not want to believe any portion of what Parnas was saying, its was garbage etc. NOW you want to believe him...because it is possibly damaging to Trump."

First of all, I don't have any idea what you're talking about. What did I not want to believe that Parnas was saying? What did he say specifically that I called garbage? I don't have a clue. Maybe there was a thread about it and I called some allegation I don't recall made by Parnas "garbage" but you didn't link it so I cannot address that part of your question. If you can link to it, great, if not be specific - what did Parnas say that I dismissed as garbage? Thanks.

Part two was - why believe him now? It's what's relevant at this point, and I told you why and it's simple. 1) He's presenting EVIDENCE backing up at least parts of his allegations, 2) He's begging to testify under oath, 3) He's already been indicted by DoJ and Barr heads it up, so begging to go under oath and committing perjury, which would ADD to his already serious troubles doesn't make sense, so I assume he won't do that, and 4) those calling him a liar are REFUSING to go under oath, and are NOT offering evidence.

This seems obvious.

 

[JasperL]

Re: Released Texts Show Lev Parnas In Frequent Contact With Nunes’ Aide House Intelligence Commit

I know, Democrats have a vested interest in hearing what he has to say now, whereas before they did not.

It's also true that Parnas is offering up evidence that's in the hands of the DOJ who has possessed this evidence for months. Are you suggesting he made this evidence up, the DOJ can prove it, and they're choosing to let Parnas present this stuff to Congress that Barr knows is false and remain silent? That would be odd....

Perhaps you have a vested interest in not believing him, despite the evidence?

 

[OpportunityCost]

Re: Released Texts Show Lev Parnas In Frequent Contact With Nunes’ Aide House Intelligence Commit

OK, you said, "My question is, before you did not want to believe any portion of what Parnas was saying, its was garbage etc. NOW you want to believe him...because it is possibly damaging to Trump."

First of all, I don't have any idea what you're talking about. What did I not want to believe that Parnas was saying? What did he say specifically that I called garbage? I don't have a clue. Maybe there was a thread about it and I called some allegation I don't recall made by Parnas "garbage" but you didn't link it so I cannot address that part of your question. If you can link to it, great, if not be specific - what did Parnas say that I dismissed as garbage? Thanks.

Part two was - why believe him now? It's what's relevant at this point, and I told you why and it's simple. 1) He's presenting EVIDENCE backing up at least parts of his allegations, 2) He's begging to testify under oath, 3) He's already been indicted by DoJ and Barr heads it up, so begging to go under oath and committing perjury, which would ADD to his already serious troubles doesn't make sense, so I assume he won't do that, and 4) those calling him a liar are REFUSING to go under oath, and are NOT offering evidence.

This seems obvious.

Have you or have you not ran down Solomon's reporting before? Because Parnas was one of his sources. That's where I gather that you didn't care for what Parnas had to say up until now. Jasper, he was relevant well before now, but now that he may have something damaging to say about Trump you deem him relevant.

This doesn't seem obvious, this is obvious.

For the record, I don't care what Parnas does so long as he tells the truth. Figuring out whether he is or isn't telling the truth is going to be the most difficult part if he does testify.

 

[JasperL]

Re: Released Texts Show Lev Parnas In Frequent Contact With Nunes’ Aide House Intelligence Commit

Have you or have you not ran down Solomon's reporting before? Because Parnas was one of his sources. That's where I gather that you didn't care for what Parnas had to say up until now. Jasper, he was relevant well before now, but now that he may have something damaging to say about Trump you deem him relevant.

Yes, I've been critical of John Solomon because he's an obvious hack. I wish we knew who was paying him, because he's carrying water for someone, that much is obvious.

But...I don't know and you aren't saying what part of Solomon's reporting was sourced to Parnas and that I rejected. I'm sure over the years 1000s of people have been "one of Solomon's sources." Obviously I don't reject all of them as dishonest, because they were Solomon's sources. So please be specific if you want to assert that I've done something relating to Parnas.

Thanks!

This doesn't seem obvious, this is obvious.

If it's obvious, quote me or make a specific allegation I can actually refute. Right now you're throwing **** against the wall, hoping we won't notice that's all you're doing.

For the record, I don't care what Parnas does so long as he tells the truth. Figuring out whether he is or isn't telling the truth is going to be the most difficult part if he does testify.

What we know at this point is he's begging to testify, under oath, and those who dispute what he says....aren't. Parnas went to COURT to release this evidence. Trump and crew are withholding all the evidence they can, refusing to turn over anything at all, and are refusing to go under oath.

So where I sit, if someone under oath, and already under indictment, makes allegations, backs them up with evidence, and the other side snipes from the safety of Fox News and otherwise won't provide evidence or testify under oath, I tend to go with the guy who risks jail if he's caught perjuring himself. Why is that wrong?

 

[eohrnberger]

Re: Text Messages Show Devon Nunes was Deep Into Ukraine Blackmail Scheme

OK, I believe Trump is the most destructive force in perhaps a century of politics. So it appears we disagree. Our Republic has survived worse, and people doing things you don't like and don't agree with does not mean it's a threat to the republic.

Yeah, that was the left's thinking back during the 2016 campaign with a far stronger candidate than any in the field now.

Do you really think that after:

• The 25th amendment hoax
• The emoluments clause hoax
• The Russian Collusion hoax
• The Mueller witch hunt hoax
• The Obstruction hoax
• The Ukrainian phone call hoax with the fake whistle blower hoax
• And now, the unconstitutional impeachment hoax

Democrats politicized federal intel and LEO agencies, and set them on spying on an opposition presidential campaign based on fraudulent FISA 'evidence'. This 'evidence' procured from a Hillary / DNC paid for private company, which in turn engages a Democrat friendly former MI-6 agent, who summarizes from a Russian source who has stated it was all fictitious to begin with.

Democrats shamelessly smeared in the worst possible way a SCOTUS appointee they didn't like.

Democrats and their media butt lickers hawked an alleged, and never proven, Trump / Russian collusion, and then used this as justification for the Mueller 'investigation'. The 'Russian collusion' narrative being invented by Fusion GPS Simpson back in '07 to be used against McCain. Just got dusted off and used again in this case.

Said investigation is led by, and staffed by, strongly Democrat politically people with a mere alleged 'Republican' figure head, who, based on his own congressional testimony, didn't really know what was going on, and his #2, Weissman, the rabid Democrat / leftist, was the one pulling the strings.

Said politically driven and politically staffed investigation suffers from multiple likely prosecutorial misconduct, with the FBI senior staff altering evidence, for example, making an innocent person look guilty, and this appearance of guilty was used to extend the fraudulent FISA warrant 3 times, all under signed and sworn to as the truth be Comey.

And even so, this 'investigation' came up with nothing sufficient to criminally charge the president.

The House Democrats coordinate with, a now known to be Democrat supporter, in the intel agency, who's whistle blowing claim of concern came from second or third hand sources - or so he claims, yet, rather than bringing this to light, Democrats 'hide' and protect this person casting rather dubious claims.

House Democrats launch an impeachment action in the House on the basis of nary an contrary witness, and structure the 'rules' of this impeachment process in such a fashion that no other testimony other than what agrees with their politically driven narrative is heard, such is their concern for fairness and even-handedness, which is to say, not at all. This fan fair and seriousness of impeachment being made a politically driven mockery of what was intended, in the hopes of improving Democrat presidential candidates chances of beating Trump (so lousy are their candidates - call each other liars on the presidential debate stage - degrading yet another institution of the Republic).

Now, the House Democrats try to dictate to the Senate, (a co-equal branch of government and not a subservient branch of government, by the way), who's majority they do not hold (mind you they hold the majority in the House and in the Deep State), Democrats try to dictate to the Senate to conduct further investigation with new witnesses as part of the Senate impeachment trial, which is clearly the responsibility of the House as outlined in the Constitution, witnesses which they should have subpoenaed, and had those subpoenas been declined, taken to court, as precedence on this has been set, but discard precedence if it is to their own political advantage, yet another institution of the Republic which Democrats have degraded.

You are of the opinion that 'Trump is the most destructive force in perhaps a century of politics'? :lamo
I fear that your opinion isn't founded in reality as to what is 'the most destructive force in perhaps a century of politics'.

 

[jpn]

Re: Released Texts Show Lev Parnas In Frequent Contact With Nunes’ Aide House Intelligence Commit

For the record, I don't care what Parnas does so long as he tells the truth. Figuring out whether he is or isn't telling the truth is going to be the most difficult part if he does testify.

To his advantage, he has a number of documents to back up his testimony, and it squares with what is already know via other public testimony. I haven't seen anything yet he's claiming that's been shown to be incorrect.

Figuring out if he's telling the truth would be much easier if the WH would release documents. The fact they don't is damning in itself.

John Bolton, where are you?

 

[Top Cat]

Re: Released Texts Show Lev Parnas In Frequent Contact With Nunes’ Aide House Intelligence Commit

Which doesn't change my question, which a 2nd person is now evading. So, what changed?

Why are you afraid of Bolton's testimony?

 

[Hamish Howl]

Re: Text Messages Show Devon Nunes was Deep Into Ukraine Blackmail Scheme

NO, your liberal traits of jealousy and class envy are, you are really pissed off that America is doing so well with Trump as President making your country and your leader look like a fool and amateurs, total socialists still seeking that liberal utopia. What other reason could there be?

I really do feel your pain, so much effort in promoting your liberal ideology must be tough seeing it all go down the tubes

Today I learned that MAGA freaks mistake laughter for pain.

 

[DiAnna]

Re: Text Messages Show Devon Nunes was Deep Into Ukraine Blackmail Scheme

To be precise, it was the DOJ who said that Parnas is 100% false. And they aren't the only ones.

Are the Ukrainians lying, as well?

Source and link, please.

 

[DiAnna]

Why isn't he being arrested?

I guarantee that he's being investigated; now whether the results of that investigation are made public or not remains to be seen. It appears that suddenly the entire Intelligence Community has stopped giving routine updates to the Intelligence Committee for the first time since, well, never. Apparently they don't want to make Trump angry, so they are hiding whatever they've got that could be used during the impeachment trial.

Be that as it may, a congress-critter like Nunes can actually be indicted while in office... except, of course, federal district courts are under the direction of Bob Barr's DOJ, so...

:shrug: Such is life in what is now basically a fascist, authoritarian dictatorship.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Text Messages Show Devon Nunes was Deep Into Ukraine Blackmail Scheme

Source and link, please.

KerriKupecDOJ on Twitter: "Earlier tonight, The Rachel @maddow Show reached out to me for comment in advance of the Lev Parnas interview. Rachel read my response on-air. See below for request and response.… https://t.co/h9Aaq8GHxo"

 

[DiAnna]

Re: Text Messages Show Devon Nunes was Deep Into Ukraine Blackmail Scheme

KerriKupecDOJ on Twitter: "Earlier tonight, The Rachel @maddow Show reached out to me for comment in advance of the Lev Parnas interview. Rachel read my response on-air. See below for request and response.… https://t.co/h9Aaq8GHxo"

Oh, I actually saw that show! After Parnas had showed his handwritten notes, and text messages indicating that what he said was basically true, and could be corroborated, Rachel did reach out the Bob Barr's DOJ (aka Trump's personal axe man), and the response was "100% false". So this will be interesting when the investigation by the House and/or Senate continues to pile up new documents/evidence!

Bob Barr's DOJ is a joke, as we all learned when he completely mischaracterized the content of the Mueller Report. You choose to believe Barr because you like what he's saying; I choose not to, because he fluffs & carries water for the President, who is the world's biggest liar. :shrug:

 

[OpportunityCost]

Re: Released Texts Show Lev Parnas In Frequent Contact With Nunes’ Aide House Intelligence Commit

Why are you afraid of Bolton's testimony?

Why cant you ever post anything that isn't trolling?

 

[OpportunityCost]

Re: Released Texts Show Lev Parnas In Frequent Contact With Nunes’ Aide House Intelligence Commit

Yes, I've been critical of John Solomon because he's an obvious hack. I wish we knew who was paying him, because he's carrying water for someone, that much is obvious.

But...I don't know and you aren't saying what part of Solomon's reporting was sourced to Parnas and that I rejected. I'm sure over the years 1000s of people have been "one of Solomon's sources." Obviously I don't reject all of them as dishonest, because they were Solomon's sources. So please be specific if you want to assert that I've done something relating to Parnas.

Thanks!



If it's obvious, quote me or make a specific allegation I can actually refute. Right now you're throwing **** against the wall, hoping we won't notice that's all you're doing.



What we know at this point is he's begging to testify, under oath, and those who dispute what he says....aren't. Parnas went to COURT to release this evidence. Trump and crew are withholding all the evidence they can, refusing to turn over anything at all, and are refusing to go under oath.

So where I sit, if someone under oath, and already under indictment, makes allegations, backs them up with evidence, and the other side snipes from the safety of Fox News and otherwise won't provide evidence or testify under oath, I tend to go with the guy who risks jail if he's caught perjuring himself. Why is that wrong?

LOL, Jasper, if you aren't going to be entirely honest and want to parse every single thing I bring up, there isn't much use in talking to you. You have already tried very hard to be evasive on this issue when your motivations are clear as day. Anyone that has brought up Solomon on this board has had to listen to progressive/liberals moaning and crying about how Solomon is a terrible source. Its clear Parnas was one of his principle sources on the Hill story that I've seen rejected as reliable over and over, but now, people suddenly want to see what Parnas has to say and what materials he has---when before they couldn't be bothered to even look.

 

[Fletch]

I guarantee that he's being investigated; now whether the results of that investigation are made public or not remains to be seen. It appears that suddenly the entire Intelligence Community has stopped giving routine updates to the Intelligence Committee for the first time since, well, never. Apparently they don't want to make Trump angry, so they are hiding whatever they've got that could be used during the impeachment trial.

Be that as it may, a congress-critter like Nunes can actually be indicted while in office... except, of course, federal district courts are under the direction of Bob Barr's DOJ, so...

:shrug: Such is life in what is now basically a fascist, authoritarian dictatorship.

Wow! Well that went hyperbolic in a hurry. It would be nice if some you on the left would actually research what life was like under a 'fascist, authoritarian dictatorship' before you claim it exists here.

 

[Fletch]

Re: Text Messages Show Devon Nunes was Deep Into Ukraine Blackmail Scheme

Oh, I actually saw that show! After Parnas had showed his handwritten notes, and text messages indicating that what he said was basically true, and could be corroborated, Rachel did reach out the Bob Barr's DOJ (aka Trump's personal axe man), and the response was "100% false". So this will be interesting when the investigation by the House and/or Senate continues to pile up new documents/evidence!

Bob Barr's DOJ is a joke, as we all learned when he completely mischaracterized the content of the Mueller Report. You choose to believe Barr because you like what he's saying; I choose not to, because he fluffs & carries water for the President, who is the world's biggest liar. :shrug:

He did?? How? He said there was no collusion and no obstruction. And there was none. How do we know? The democrat House just impeached the president and never mentioned the Mueller report.

 

[anatta]

I guarantee that he's being investigated; now whether the results of that investigation are made public or not remains to be seen. It appears that suddenly the entire Intelligence Community has stopped giving routine updates to the Intelligence Committee for the first time since, well, never. Apparently they don't want to make Trump angry, so they are hiding whatever they've got that could be used during the impeachment trial.

Be that as it may, a congress-critter like Nunes can actually be indicted while in office... except, of course, federal district courts are under the direction of Bob Barr's DOJ, so...

:shrug: Such is life in what is now basically a fascist, authoritarian dictatorship.

The Intelligence Committee ( House) hasn't had any Intel meetings in a long time because it handled impeachment ( not Intel)
Trump is not the problem there -the Schiff show was

 

[The AntiDonald]

Re: Text Messages Show Devon Nunes was Deep Into Ukraine Blackmail Scheme

The DOJ isn't the one releasing this "evidence".

You're right about that. It was a federal judge who allowed the release. Parnas is not lying. He has no good reason to lie.