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NOAA staff warned on Sept. 1 against contradicting Trump

Acadia said:
Mr. Fast and Furious. Peeshaw!
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Acadia said:
Does the WaCompost ever get anyone on record?
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For those who cannot get past the O/P paywall, note that the only names that were mentioned in the article were former Obama appointees...
Go figure.

Their sources: Most unnamed with the exception of a few Obama appointees.

"according to a copy of the email obtained by The Washington Post"

"A NOAA meteorologist who spoke on the condition of anonymity"

"An NWS spokesperson said"

"It is truly sad to see political appointees undermining the superb, lifesaving work of NOAA’s talented and dedicated career servant,” said Jane Lubchenco, who served as NOAA administrator under President Barack Obama."

"A NOAA official familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to speak candidly"

One of the strongest reactions to the NOAA statement came from David Titley, an atmospheric scientist who served as the chief operating officer of NOAA under Obama.

“Perhaps the darkest day ever for leadership. Don’t know how they will ever look their workforce in the eye again. Moral cowardice,” he tweeted.
 
trixare4kids said:
We sure are in a dark place if a black sharpie is all some have to talk about when there is record high employment, low unemployment, record low unemployment for Blacks and Hispanics... but all some can talk about is that Trump warned AL. "could' get hit by cyclonic winds."
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This about much more than just sharpies, although forgery in any form is never a good thing, as this excerpt for WAPO article explains.

NOAA’s Friday statement infuriated scientists, who worry the Trump administration is corroding faith in research and data.

“It makes me speechless that the leadership would put [Trump’s] feelings and ego ahead of putting out weather information accurately,” said Michael Halpern, a deputy director at the Union of Concerned Scientists. “If we’re politicizing the weather what is there left to politicize? We’re seeing this kind of clamp down of scientists across the government, and it’s been an escalating trend.”
In 2018, a survey of scientists at 16 federal agencies found a culture of fear and self-censorship in an administration that has sidelined scientific evidence, especially as it related to climate change, in favor of political expediency.
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trixare4kids said:
For those who cannot get past the O/P paywall, note that the only names that were mentioned in the article were former Obama appointees...
Go figure.

Their sources: Most unnamed with the exception of a few Obama appointees.

"according to a copy of the email obtained by The Washington Post"

"A NOAA meteorologist who spoke on the condition of anonymity"

"An NWS spokesperson said"

"It is truly sad to see political appointees undermining the superb, lifesaving work of NOAA’s talented and dedicated career servant,” said Jane Lubchenco, who served as NOAA administrator under President Barack Obama."

"A NOAA official familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to speak candidly"

One of the strongest reactions to the NOAA statement came from David Titley, an atmospheric scientist who served as the chief operating officer of NOAA under Obama.

“Perhaps the darkest day ever for leadership. Don’t know how they will ever look their workforce in the eye again. Moral cowardice,” he tweeted.
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Deep State

:lamo
 
The Birmingham office sent the tweet after receiving a flurry of phone calls from concerned residents following Trump’s message.
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Apparently those supporting trumps irresponsible actions would have been much happier if the Birmingham office had just let all those people panic. How dare they put out the facts to keep a community safe.
 
trixare4kids said:
Too much faux outrage...
Russia, Racism, Recession, SharpieGate

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And it's allllllllll sucking the oxygen out of their 2020 Dem candidates.:cool:
 
ecofarm said:
He showed the nation a fake map with a sharpie drawing to pretend evidence supported an idiotic claim.

That's not okay.

You wouldn't accept that from Obama.
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All the above demonstrates is intellectual dishonesty.
 
trixare4kids said:
We sure are in a dark place if a black sharpie is all some have to talk about when there is record high employment, low unemployment, record low unemployment for Blacks and Hispanics... but all some can talk about is that Trump warned AL. "could' get hit by cyclonic winds."
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Hurricanes are important. The cumulative damage in dollar terms to the U.S. since 1980 from Hurricanes is $862 billion dollars:

The Rising Costs of Hurricanes - WSJ

How the executive branch responds to hurricanes is important.

The President's inability to defer to experts is a problem. The President manages the executive branch. The executive branch does a lot of important things. For instance, the executive branch helps coordinate our collective response to natural disasters such as hurricanes.

The President's inability to admit his mistakes is a threat to our country as a whole. Our country relies on his judgment. Part of having good judgment is learning from experiences, both failures, and successes.

The President's inability to communicate clearly and honestly to the American public is a problem. We have approximately 327 million people in our country. It's difficult to coordinate the actions of 327 million people. Trump's habitual lying creates a great deal of confusion and impairs his ability to lead our country.

The President's inability to guide the course of our country's affairs according to predictions of the future is a problem. The President does not understand math, science, and the basics of probabilities. A general awareness of these topics is an important characteristic of good leaders. A good leader who lacks awareness of these topics is willing to defer to experts and others who know more about these topics. It's important our leader recognize when he is out of his element.

The President's general ignorance and lack of awareness of the world is a problem.

The cult-like fanaticism of Trump's supporters is a problem.

The fact that Trump supporters do not believe something is true unless Trump tweets it is a problem because Trump is a habitual liar.

The fact that Trump's supporters can't admit Trump is infallible is a problem because Trump routinely admits mistakes.

The fact that Trump's supporters care more about "sticking it to" the mainstream media rather than speaking and telling the truth is a problem.

This incident involving the sharpie and the weather map is important. It's important because it demonstrates Trump complete inability to be an effective President due to a whole host of negative mental and behavioral traits. The truth is this: Trump is not in any way fit to be our leader.
 
SkyFox76 said:
Apparently those supporting trumps irresponsible actions would have been much happier if the Birmingham office had just let all those people panic. How dare they put out the facts to keep a community safe.
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Because the entire east coast of Florida wasn't sent into a panic:roll:
 
trixare4kids said:
For those who cannot get past the O/P paywall, note that the only names that were mentioned in the article were former Obama appointees...
Go figure.

Their sources: Most unnamed with the exception of a few Obama appointees.

"according to a copy of the email obtained by The Washington Post"

"A NOAA meteorologist who spoke on the condition of anonymity"

"An NWS spokesperson said"

"It is truly sad to see political appointees undermining the superb, lifesaving work of NOAA’s talented and dedicated career servant,” said Jane Lubchenco, who served as NOAA administrator under President Barack Obama."

"A NOAA official familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to speak candidly"

One of the strongest reactions to the NOAA statement came from David Titley, an atmospheric scientist who served as the chief operating officer of NOAA under Obama.

“Perhaps the darkest day ever for leadership. Don’t know how they will ever look their workforce in the eye again. Moral cowardice,” he tweeted.
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For those conservatives who can't read, present company included, that's completely untrue. In addition to the comment from deputy director at the Union of Concerned Scientists in my post #29 of this thread. There is also theses additional comments.

Keith Seitter, executive director of the American Meteorological Society, said in a statement that “the criticism of the Birmingham forecast office is unwarranted; rather they should have been commended for their quick action based on science in clearly communicating the lack of threat to the citizens of Alabama.”

“I have never been so embarrassed by NOAA. What they did is just disgusting,” Dan Sobien, president of the National Weather Service’s labor union, wrote on Twitter Friday. “Let me assure you the hard working employees of the NWS had nothing to do with the utterly disgusting and disingenuous tweet sent out by NOAA management tonight.”

A popular television broadcast meteorologist in Birmingham also came to the defense of his city’s National Weather Service team.
“The tweet from NWS Birmingham was spot on and accurate,” James Spann tweeted. “If they are coming after them, they might as well come after me. How in the world has it come to this?
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Mr Person said:
Obama left Trump a great economy, therefore we shouldn't talk about how pathetic it is that your God King has to order his agencies not to contradict his stupid bull**** and lies? Very good trix. You found a totally clever way to derail the thread. Bravo.





Stay right there on your knees. I'm sure Trump appreciates it.



slurp slurp, slurp slurp.
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The displayed irony above is just stunning.
 
trixare4kids said:
Too much faux outrage...
Russia, Racism, Recession, SharpieGate

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Too much lying from this administration. Where is it going to end? When 2+2 no longer = 4?
 
trixare4kids said:
Too much faux outrage...
Russia, Racism, Recession, SharpieGate

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You're literally supporting that Trump caused people to think they could be in grave danger when they weren't. It's pathetic, and even more pathetic that a memo was sent out telling those people not to ruffle the feathers of the king.

How many sharpies have you ordered BTW?
 
Atomic Kid said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...e9-87fa-8501a456c003_story.html?noredirect=on

Nearly a week before the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration publicly backed President Trump over its own scientists, a top NOAA official warned its staff against contradicting the president.
In an agencywide directive sent Sept. 1 to National Weather Service personnel, hours after Trump asserted, with no evidence, that Alabama “would most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated,” staff was told to “only stick with official National Hurricane Center forecasts if questions arise from some national level social media posts which hit the news this afternoon.”
They were also told not to “provide any opinion,” according to a copy of the email obtained by The Washington Post.

A NOAA meteorologist who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of retribution said the note, understood internally to be referring to Trump, came after the National Weather Service office in Birmingham contradicted Trump by tweeting Alabama would “NOT see any impacts from the hurricane.”

The Birmingham office sent the tweet after receiving a flurry of phone calls from concerned residents following Trump’s message.

The agency sent a similar message warning scientists and meteorologists not to speak out on Sept. 4, after Trump showed a hurricane map from Aug. 29 modified with a hand-drawn, half-circle in black Sharpie around Alabama.This is the first time I’ve felt pressure from above to not say what truly is the forecast,” the meteorologist said. “It’s hard for me to wrap my head around. One of the things we train on is to dispel inaccurate rumors and ultimately that is what was occurring — ultimately what the Alabama office did is provide a forecast with their tweet, that is what they get paid to do.”

An NWS spokesperson said, “NWS leadership sent this guidance to field staff so they (and the entire agency) could maintain operational focus on Dorian and other severe weather hazards without distraction.”Late Friday afternoon, NOAA officials further angered scientists within and beyond the agency by releasing a statement, attributed to an unnamed agency spokesperson, supporting Trump’s claims on Alabama and chastising the agency’s Birmingham meteorologists for speaking in absolutes.

That statement set off a firestorm among scientists, who attacked NOAA officials for bending to Trump’s will.

“This looks like classic politically motivated obfuscation to justify inaccurate statements made by the boss. It is truly sad to see political appointees undermining the superb, lifesaving work of NOAA’s talented and dedicated career servant,” said Jane Lubchenco, who served as NOAA administrator under President Barack Obama.

NOAA, which oversees the National Weather Service, isn’t the first agency in the Trump administration to publicly side with the president after he has doubled down on a widely disputed claim.

But the firestorm surrounding the president’s hurricane statements is unprecedented in the organization’s history, and threatens to politicize something that most Americans take for granted as an objective, if flawed, part of daily life: the weather forecast.

A NOAA official familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to speak candidly, disputed the suggestion that the statement took sides, saying there was “no political motivation” behind it.

The official said agency leadership had considered making a statement for “a day or two” to clear up confusion. Acting NOAA administrator Neil Jacobs was involved in drawing up the statement as was the NOAA director of public affairs, [/B]Julie Kay Roberts, who has experience in emergency management and worked on the president’s campaign.
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Got to love those "acting" department administrators. We know Trump does because their backsides are so flexible. 'No political motivation behind it', my ass. Knew that Ms Roberts had to have had a role in this fiasco.
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trixare4kids said:
We sure are in a dark place if a black sharpie is all some have to talk about when there is record high employment, low unemployment, record low unemployment for Blacks and Hispanics... but all some can talk about is that Trump warned AL. "could' get hit by cyclonic winds."
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It was Trump who kept the madness going. So blame him.
 
Atomic Kid said:
Too much lying from this administration. Where is it going to end? When 2+2 no longer = 4?
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She has no end in sight. She is clearly fine that people were fearing something they didn't need to fear. If people began grabbing belongings and heading off to clog highways she'd support that. If someone died as a result? So be it. Her king now controls the weather reports. I don't even think she comprehends how ludicrous that is.
 
SkyFox76 said:
You're literally supporting that Trump caused people to think they could be in grave danger when they weren't. It's pathetic, and even more pathetic that a memo was sent out telling those people not to ruffle the feathers of the king.

How many sharpies have you ordered BTW?
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Can you please get a grip... One would think Trump sent guns into MX, one which ultimately got in the wrong hands killing a border patrol agent.
 
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