Nfl 2019

[Bucky]

Based on what I saw and have subsequently heard:

1. Rudolph was pile driven into the turf by Garrett after the play and Garrett stayed on Rudolph longer than is normal for a legitimate sack, which this wasn't, particularly considering the timing and circumstances in the game. As a result, Rudolph in trying to get Garrett off of him clawed at his helmet, presumably to get his attention.
2. While Garrett was on Rudolph, two Steeler players came over and started to remove Garrett from on top of Rudolph and Garrett then, not just giving up and ending the situation, pulled Rudolph's helmet off and Rudolph reacted verbally and as the Steeler players removed Garrett from Rudolph, Rudolph continued to verbally challenge Garrett for his actions. Garrett, for reasons only he can know, chose to swing Rudolph's helmet over the shoulder of one of the Steelers moving him away and into the head of Rudolph.
3. The league is not "ignoring" Rudolph's participation in this affair - he is subject to a fine but no suspension as reported by those close to the league. The league, however, disagrees with your interpretation that Rudolph instigated the affair and although I'm biased as a Steelers' fan, any fair minded individual could not look at that entirety of the situation and claim that Rudolph is to blame.

The reaction to this incident has been hysterical. Send him to jail? OMG. Steeler fans are such crybabies. This incident hides the fact Mason Rudolph and the Steelers played terribly against a mediocre Browns team.

Some one had to say it.

 

[PoS]

The reaction to this incident has been hysterical. Send him to jail? OMG. Steeler fans are such crybabies. This incident hides the fact Mason Rudolph and the Steelers played terribly against a mediocre Browns team.

Some one had to say it.

Is it me or does Rudolph look like Rex Grossman?

 

[Port & Starboard]

It seems that ole "Myles" has a history of going a little too far.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

It seems that ole "Myles" has a history of going a little too far.

He's been fined a few times for illegal hits. He broke 1 of the Jets QB's ankle.

I'm sure his reputation will be a topic of conversation when he sits down with the NFL brass next year to talk about reinstatement.

 

[Higgins86]

I don't think the coverage was over the top and that's a good thing for the NFL. If this incident was passed off as nothing to be worried about or something to be cheered as Bucky seems to think, then it would be far worse for the NFL. It's been a hot issue today because it happened last night and the NFL, with lightning speed for them, dealt with it immediately and with the seriousness it deserved. The NFL did a good job here.

As for hockey, fighting had traditionally been a big part of the sport because it was seen as a way for players to let off steam and seek retribution without using equipment, like sticks, to cause damage. I've been watching hockey for about 60 years and never have I seen anything like Garrett's actions. In fact, as was usual, players removed their helmets and threw them aside when they got into a fighting situation. But I say "was usual" because you rarely see fighting in hockey today - the game has advanced past that part of its history because a newer generation of fans and players didn't enjoy it and/or consider it necessary or advantageous to the sport as a whole.

Both football and hockey can, by design, be sports prone to violence. It is up to their leagues to ensure that violence is limited to game action and not after whistle escalations. Both sports do a pretty good job of disciplining the deviants.

I mean didn’t the bruins once go into the crowd and fight the fans? That’s far more shocking than what Garett did.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

I mean didn’t the bruins once go into the crowd and fight the fans? That’s far more shocking than what Garett did.

That happened in basketball too. Pacers vs. Pistons..

But again that's basketball and hockey.. Not the NFL.

 

[Higgins86]

That happened in basketball too. Pacers vs. Pistons..

But again that's basketball and hockey.. Not the NFL.

I was responding to the quote " I have never seen anything like it and I have watched Hockey for 60 years" .

I even think Albert Haynesworth was worse.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

I even think Albert Haynesworth was worse.

Been hearing a lot of people the last couple of days say the same thing.

 

[AGENT J]

if i have two linemen chasing after me intending to do harm, plus a helmetless quarterback, hell yea i am going to fight back
but why was the QB left out of the punishment, since it was he who initiated the brawl by attempting to remove the defender's helmet

because everything you said factually isnt true nor can be support with any facts thats way LMAO
nobody honest and objective takes it seriously and thats also why. Its just another failed hilarious post of many that exposes you.

opcorn2:

 

[justabubba]

because everything you said factually isnt true nor can be support with any facts thats way LMAO
nobody honest and objective takes it seriously and thats also why. Its just another failed hilarious post of many that exposes you.

opcorn2:

video shows the QB attempting to remove garrett's helmet
only then did garrett remove the QB's helmet
according to national federation of high school rules - not college or pro - a player gets flagged if they continue to participate once their helmet is off
in this instance the helmetless QB pursued garrett after his helmet was taken off by garrett. he was accompanied in that pursuit by two of his linemen
garrett defended himself against the three steelers using the helmet

if the QB had not attempted to remove garrett's helmet this incident would not have occurred
if the helmetless QB had not pursued garrett he would not have been able to be hit by the helmet

the QB instigated the incident and should be punished for it

NFL rule for using a helmet to strike another player is ejection (and 15 yards marked off for the opposing team). that is what should have happened to garrett and the browns

 

[Jack Hays]

video shows the QB attempting to remove garrett's helmet
only then did garrett remove the QB's helmet
according to national federation of high school rules - not college or pro - a player gets flagged if they continue to participate once their helmet is off
in this instance the helmetless QB pursued garrett after his helmet was taken off by garrett. he was accompanied in that pursuit by two of his linemen
garrett defended himself against the three steelers using the helmet

if the QB had not attempted to remove garrett's helmet this incident would not have occurred
if the helmetless QB had not pursued garrett he would not have been able to be hit by the helmet

the QB instigated the incident and should be punished for it

NFL rule for using a helmet to strike another player is ejection (and 15 yards marked off for the opposing team). that is what should have happened to garrett and the browns

QB reacted to a cheap shot late hit. He's not at fault.

 

[calamity]

QB reacted to a cheap shot late hit. He's not at fault.

Yep, personal foul by Garret started the whole thing.

 

[AGENT J]

video shows the QB attempting to remove garrett's helmet
only then did garrett remove the QB's helmet
according to national federation of high school rules - not college or pro - a player gets flagged if they continue to participate once their helmet is off
in this instance the helmetless QB pursued garrett after his helmet was taken off by garrett. he was accompanied in that pursuit by two of his linemen
garrett defended himself against the three steelers using the helmet

if the QB had not attempted to remove garrett's helmet this incident would not have occurred
if the helmetless QB had not pursued garrett he would not have been able to be hit by the helmet

the QB instigated the incident and should be punished for it

NFL rule for using a helmet to strike another player is ejection (and 15 yards marked off for the opposing team). that is what should have happened to garrett and the browns

AWESOME!! I knew thi would be fun!
hey look you posted a bunch of stupidity and meaningless feelings that dont change fact your false post was exposed by multiple posters

lets look back and what you said:

1.)if i have two linemen chasing after me intending to do harm, plus a helmetless quarterback, hell yea i am going to fight back
2.) but why was the QB left out of the punishment, since it was he who initiated the brawl by attempting to remove the defender's helmet

1.) never happened, nobody was intending to do him harm until he used the helmet and the QB was made for having his helmet ripped off after a late attempted slame after the play so again your feelings about a made up situation are factually false and meaningless
2.) video proof shows the initiation was by garrett and the attempted late take down after the play, another swing and a miss by you

now lets look at your NEW failure above

1.)video shows the QB attempting to remove garrett's helmet
2.) only then did garrett remove the QB's helmet
3.) according to national federation of high school rules - not college or pro - a player gets flagged if they continue to participate once their helmet is off
4.) in this instance the helmetless QB pursued garrett after his helmet was taken off by garrett. he was accompanied in that pursuit by two of his linemen
garrett defended himself against the three steelers using the helmet
5.)if the QB had not attempted to remove garrett's helmet this incident would not have occurred
if the helmetless QB had not pursued garrett he would not have been able to be hit by the helmet
6.)the QB instigated the incident and should be punished for it
7.)NFL rule for using a helmet to strike another player is ejection (and 15 yards marked off for the opposing team). that is what should have happened to garrett and the browns

1.) it shows his helmet being grabbed AFTER an attempt at a late take down after the play
2.) after he factually started the issue
3.) the rule is based on PLAY, this wasnt a play FAIL
4.) again video proves this lie factually wrong as line men were there breaking it up and he would need no defense if he didnt start it then escalate by assaulting a person, in fact the QB was partially saved by the lineman trying to keep them apart and NOT "pursuing" Garret
5.) you mean if garret does not initiate a late take down after the play was over this never happens
6.) video and the nfl and facts disagree
7.) more of your meaningless feelings

well here we are in the same spot
your post and lies easily exposed by facts, your false claims completely failing, your feelings still not mattering and the entertainmnt continureing for the rest of us as we laugh at the nonsense you posted

anything else?(please god i hope so)

opcorn2:

 

[CanadaJohn]

This incident hides the fact Mason Rudolph and the Steelers played terribly against a mediocre Browns team.

Some one had to say it.

I did say basically that a while back - said the Browns had played a pretty good defensive game - perhaps you missed it while you were cheering on Garrett for his enthusiastic play that every other sane person in the world criticized as unacceptable.

 

[Port & Starboard]

video shows the QB attempting to remove garrett's helmet
only then did garrett remove the QB's helmet
according to national federation of high school rules - not college or pro - a player gets flagged if they continue to participate once their helmet is off
in this instance the helmetless QB pursued garrett after his helmet was taken off by garrett. he was accompanied in that pursuit by two of his linemen
garrett defended himself against the three steelers using the helmet

if the QB had not attempted to remove garrett's helmet this incident would not have occurred
if the helmetless QB had not pursued garrett he would not have been able to be hit by the helmet

the QB instigated the incident and should be punished for it

NFL rule for using a helmet to strike another player is ejection (and 15 yards marked off for the opposing team). that is what should have happened to garrett and the browns

Give it up already.

Myle's is nothing more than a street thug with a Cleveland uniform on.

 

[CanadaJohn]

I mean didn’t the bruins once go into the crowd and fight the fans? That’s far more shocking than what Garett did.

Yes, there have been incidents in the past where fans have attacked players and the players have entered the stands to fight back. There also have been incidents where local authorities have charged players with assault when they use their sticks as weapons outside of normal play.

My point was related to the helmet being used as a weapon - I haven't seen that occur in my time watching hockey.

 

[calamity]

Give it up already.

Myle's is nothing more than a street thug with a Cleveland uniform on.

Most people do not watch football expecting demonstrations of moral character. Just say'n. It's nice to see sportsmanship, but really all people care about is winning their fantasy football league.

 

[Bucky]

I did say basically that a while back - said the Browns had played a pretty good defensive game - perhaps you missed it while you were cheering on Garrett for his enthusiastic play that every other sane person in the world criticized as unacceptable.

okay boomer :2mad:

 

[Bucky]

Give it up already.

Myle's is nothing more than a street thug with a Cleveland uniform on.

LOl. What is your definition of a street thug? A lot of people would have done the same thing in Myles's position. I have seen a lot of dirty cops and soldiers do despicable things in the heat of the moment.

 

[justabubba]

AWESOME!! I knew thi would be fun!
hey look you posted a bunch of stupidity and meaningless feelings that dont change fact your false post was exposed by multiple posters

lets look back and what you said:


1.) never happened, nobody was intending to do him harm until he used the helmet and the QB was made for having his helmet ripped off after a late attempted slame after the play so again your feelings about a made up situation are factually false and meaningless
2.) video proof shows the initiation was by garrett and the attempted late take down after the play, another swing and a miss by you

now lets look at your NEW failure above



1.) it shows his helmet being grabbed AFTER an attempt at a late take down after the play
2.) after he factually started the issue
3.) the rule is based on PLAY, this wasnt a play FAIL
4.) again video proves this lie factually wrong as line men were there breaking it up and he would need no defense if he didnt start it then escalate by assaulting a person, in fact the QB was partially saved by the lineman trying to keep them apart and NOT "pursuing" Garret
5.) you mean if garret does not initiate a late take down after the play was over this never happens
6.) video and the nfl and facts disagree
7.) more of your meaningless feelings

well here we are in the same spot
your post and lies easily exposed by facts, your false claims completely failing, your feelings still not mattering and the entertainmnt continureing for the rest of us as we laugh at the nonsense you posted

anything else?(please god i hope so)

opcorn2:

^ here is video; begin watching at 1:25 when the play is about to begin
at the 1:27 mark the QB released the ball; later at the 1:27 mark garrett contacts the QB
not a late hit as contact was immediately after release of the ball. confirmed by the fact that the refs threw no late hit flags
at 1:48 the QB begins attempt to remove garrett's helmet. this is where the QB initiates the incident
at 1:52 garrett begins his effort to remove the QB's helmet
white #66 is holding garrett the entire time
at 1:56 garrett removes QB helmet
at 1:58 garrett is holding QB's helmet and #66 is holding garrett. QB is just getting off of the ground and eludes the effort of #34 referee to restrain him from re-entering the fray
the QB is now pursuing garrett - while helmetless
at 1:59 referee is trying to separate #66 from garrett
at 2:01 garrett swings helmet at QB who is approaching him while garrett is still being held by #66 despite referee's attempt to separate #66 from garrett
helmet contacts helmetless QB who was pursuing garrett
2:02 QB puts his hands in the air in a "what did i do" fashion pretending to be the victim. pittsburg QBs are usually not such ******s
2:03 garrett gets punched by second lineman #53 while garrett is still being held by #66
2:04 #66 and #53 are on top of garrett, who is on the ground
2:05 #53 throws another punch at garrett, who is on the ground under #66 and #53
2:06 browns player attempts to get between garrett and #53 who is attacking garrett
2:06 #53 launches first kick at garrett's head
2:08 #53 piles on top of #66 who is still holding garrett on the ground
2:10 line judge #100 pulls #53 away from garrett and #66 begins to get off of garrett

all of that commotion begun by the QB who tried to remove garrett's helmet, had his own removed instead, then charged garret, who - while being held by lineman #66 - was again contacted by the helmetless QB, who then got whacked by his own helmet courtesy of garrett

15 yard penalty and ejection of garrett for using an empty helmet to contact another player by NFL rule
should have been an unsporting act by the QB and ejection called by the officials

 

[Jack Hays]

^ here is video; begin watching at 1:25 when the play is about to begin
at the 1:27 mark the QB released the ball; later at the 1:27 mark garrett contacts the QB
not a late hit as contact was immediately after release of the ball. confirmed by the fact that the refs threw no late hit flags
at 1:48 the QB begins attempt to remove garrett's helmet. this is where the QB initiates the incident
at 1:52 garrett begins his effort to remove the QB's helmet
white #66 is holding garrett the entire time
at 1:56 garrett removes QB helmet
at 1:58 garrett is holding QB's helmet and #66 is holding garrett. QB is just getting off of the ground and eludes the effort of #34 referee to restrain him from re-entering the fray
the QB is now pursuing garrett - while helmetless
at 1:59 referee is trying to separate #66 from garrett
at 2:01 garrett swings helmet at QB who is approaching him while garrett is still being held by #66 despite referee's attempt to separate #66 from garrett
helmet contacts helmetless QB who was pursuing garrett
2:02 QB puts his hands in the air in a "what did i do" fashion pretending to be the victim. pittsburg QBs are usually not such ******s
2:03 garrett gets punched by second lineman #53 while garrett is still being held by #66
2:04 #66 and #53 are on top of garrett, who is on the ground
2:05 #53 throws another punch at garrett, who is on the ground under #66 and #53
2:06 browns player attempts to get between garrett and #53 who is attacking garrett
2:06 #53 launches first kick at garrett's head
2:08 #53 piles on top of #66 who is still holding garrett on the ground
2:10 line judge #100 pulls #53 away from garrett and #66 begins to get off of garrett

all of that commotion begun by the QB who tried to remove garrett's helmet, had his own removed instead, then charged garret, who - while being held by lineman #66 - was again contacted by the helmetless QB, who then got whacked by his own helmet courtesy of garrett

15 yard penalty and ejection of garrett for using an empty helmet to contact another player by NFL rule
should have been an unsporting act by the QB and ejection called by the officials

Video is blocked.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

This is a debate forum and the back and forth is fun and all.. But after the game Garrett himself said none of this would have happened if he controlled himself ... He said: 'I lost my cool, it's on me'....

That pretty much ends the discussion.

 

[justabubba]

This is a debate forum and the back and forth is fun and all.. But after the game Garrett himself said none of this would have happened if he controlled himself ... He said: 'I lost my cool, it's on me'....

That pretty much ends the discussion.

there were many people who have received suspensions and more are likely to come, with some fines attached. and his willingness to accept responsibility for taking the QB's helmet and using it to strike the QB does not absolve the QB and other players for their own wrongful actions during that melee

 

[calamity]

there were many people who have received suspensions and more are likely to come, with some fines attached. and his willingness to accept responsibility for taking the QB's helmet and using it to strike the QB does not absolve the QB and other players for their own wrongful actions during that melee

I don't know, JB. I kind of like Garrett, but he did wrestle the QB down about 5 seconds after the final play of a blow-out game. That Rudolph may have objected forcibly was not really unexpected. However, that he tried to escalate with a guy twice his size may explain why he will never be more than a back-up on a bad team.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

there were many people who have received suspensions and more are likely to come, with some fines attached. and his willingness to accept responsibility for taking the QB's helmet and using it to strike the QB does not absolve the QB and other players for their own wrongful actions during that melee

He was responsible for it escalating and getting out of control, and he admitted it. Hell, his teammates and coach said he was wrong. He should have been penalized for the original hit on the QB, he has a reputation doing for that, that was pointed out earlier in this thread.. But with 8 seconds left in the game the Refs probably thought to hell with it.. Or they just didn't see it, doesn't matter.

Everyone who so far received suspensions deserved it. No one is saying otherwise. 1st post on this 2 days ago I said Pouncey should get 2-3 games. Punching is 1 thing, kicking is on a different level.. He deserved 2-3 games. same thing with Rudolph, grasping at a helmet is 1 thing, pounding someone over the head with a helmet is totally different.

If Rudolph was pulling at his helmet that's a 15 yard penalty. Hitting someone with a helmet means suspension.. Garrett admits that.. End of story.