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New World Translation Committee Scholars? YES! In 7 minutes

Yes, He did...

"those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” John 4:24

worship with . . . truth: Worship that is acceptable to God cannot be based on imagination, myths, or lies. It has to be in harmony with facts and consistent with “the truth” that God has revealed in his Word about himself and his purposes. (Joh 17:17) Such worship must conform to the “realities that are not seen” but are revealed in God’s Word. Heb 9:24; 11:1
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwtsty/43/4#s=24&study=discover&v=43:4:24
First, we need to realize that God is Spirit, and, hence, He is not tied to one location for our worship. Second, we must worship according to the truth of JESUS' person and work, for HE is the truth (John 1:14; 14:6)
 
Yes, He did...

"those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” John 4:24

worship with . . . truth: Worship that is acceptable to God cannot be based on imagination, myths, or lies. It has to be in harmony with facts and consistent with “the truth” that God has revealed in his Word about himself and his purposes. (Joh 17:17) Such worship must conform to the “realities that are not seen” but are revealed in God’s Word. Heb 9:24; 11:1
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwtsty/43/4#s=24&study=discover&v=43:4:24
It's your religion, worship as you like. Just don't tell others they are wrong when they worship in a different way. It's all good.
 
It's your religion, worship as you like. Just don't tell others they are wrong when they worship in a different way. It's all good.
If the Bible doesn't support it, I will tell them...
 
None of which you can prove. You are simply repeating what you read at the websites of the usual Jehovah's Witnesses haters.

Besides, why should anything about any Bible matter to you in light of the fact you started a thread in which you said Christians don't need to read the Bible. According to that thread, Christians should simply follow what their religious "leaders" tell them the Bible says. It doesn't matter if the religious "leaders" are lying through their teeth about what the Bible actually says.

We submit ourselves to God and the Church. The early Christians didn't conduct 'Bible studies' and attempt to decipher the meaning of every line of scripture to establish their 'own' interpretation of doctrines. They listened to the Bishops, Priests, and Deacons who learned from the people before them. The Church has its way of casting out heretics and false teachers. Furthermore, the Biblical canon itself is a product of the Church and ancient faith. How do we know the 27 book canon of the New Testament? Many centuries of consensus from the Church and Councils.

Take a look at Colossians 1:15-16 in the NWT compared to the KJV, and NRSV. And you can see how the NWT is translating to downplay the supremacy of Christ and push their theological views. "All other things" is not in the text. Even the "by means of him" would seem to imply that somehow he was used for Creation rather than being the Creator. And the purpose of this writing from Paul is to proclaim that Jesus is God Jehovah. And there are many other verses in the scriptures that demonstrate this as well such as Revelation 22:13 and John 1:1. There is no confusion here. Historical Christianity has believed this throughout the ages. It's always fringe groups and cults who discount this through their own Enlightened view of scripture. Stop the pride just listen to what Paul is saying.

Colossians 1:15-16 (New World Translation)
15  He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him.

Colossians 1:15-16 (KJV)
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Colossians 1:15-16 (NRSV)
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation, 16 For in him all things in heaven and on earth were created, things visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers—all things have been created through him and for him.
 
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"So according to Paul’s custom he went inside to them, and for three sabbaths he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, explaining and proving by references that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead, saying: “This is the Christ, this Jesus whom I am proclaiming to you.” As a result, some of them became believers and associated themselves with Paul and Silas, and so did a great multitude of the Greeks who worshipped God, along with quite a few of the principal women." Acts 17:2-4

reasoned: Paul did not simply tell them the good news. He explained it and presented proof from the Scriptures, that is, from the inspired Hebrew Scriptures. He did more than read the Scriptures; he reasoned from them, and he adapted his reasoning to his audience. The Greek verb di·a·leʹgo·mai has been defined as “to engage in an interchange of speech; to converse; to discuss.” It denotes interacting with people. This Greek word is also used at Ac 17:17; 18:4, 19; 19:8, 9; 20:7, 9.

Paul followed the standard set by Jesus, who used the Scriptures as the basis for his teaching. During his public ministry,
for example, Jesus told his followers that according to the Scriptures, the Son of man must suffer, die, and be raised from the dead. (Matt. 16:21) After his resurrection, Jesus appeared to his disciples. Surely that alone would show that he had spoken the truth. Yet, Jesus gave them more. Concerning what he said to certain disciples, we read: “Starting with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them things pertaining to himself in all the Scriptures.” With what result? The disciples exclaimed: “Were not our hearts burning within us as he was speaking to us on the road, as he was fully opening up the Scriptures to us?”—Luke 24:13, 27, 3
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102009061#h=8:0-13:0
 
If I belonged to a group but decided I no longer wanted to belong, I would cut ties and never look back...I wouldn't sit around whining and complaining...but that's just me...
In the rest of Christianity, if somebody leaves the Church you still maintain a friendship with that person. Not saying there won't ever be any tough conversations but the last thing we would do is cut that person off entirely.
 
In the rest of Christianity, if somebody leaves the Church you still maintain a friendship with that person. Not saying there won't ever be any tough conversations but the last thing we would do is cut that person off entirely.
So, you don't follow scripture...they're not disassociated for no reason...if after being admonished and they refuse to listen...it is scriptural...by exercising this God given authority, the congregation remains clean and in good standing before God...

"But now I am writing you to stop keeping company with anyone called a brother who is sexually immoral or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man...while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked person from among yourselves.” 1 Corinthians 5:11,13

"As for a man who promotes a sect, reject him after a first and a second admonition, knowing that such a man has deviated from the way and is sinning and is self-condemned." Titus 3:10,11
 
So, you don't follow scripture...they're not disassociated for no reason...if after being admonished and they refuse to listen...it is scriptural...by exercising this God given authority, the congregation remains clean and in good standing before God...

"But now I am writing you to stop keeping company with anyone called a brother who is sexually immoral or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man...while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked person from among yourselves.” 1 Corinthians 5:11,13

"As for a man who promotes a sect, reject him after a first and a second admonition, knowing that such a man has deviated from the way and is sinning and is self-condemned." Titus 3:10,11
The Church has always ex-communicated and anathematised people. You are taking these verses to mean something that's never been the position of the Church.
 
Read the entire chapter of Titus 3. It provides clues as to what is actually being warned against in Titus 3:10-11.
Titus 3

1 Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good, 2 to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and always to be gentle toward everyone.

3 At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. 4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. 8 This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone.

9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. 10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. 11 You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned.
12 As soon as I send Artemas or Tychicus to you, do your best to come to me at Nicopolis, because I have decided to winter there. 13 Do everything you can to help Zenas the lawyer and Apollos on their way and see that they have everything they need. 14 Our people must learn to devote themselves to doing what is good, in order to provide for urgent needs and not live unproductive lives.

15 Everyone with me sends you greetings. Greet those who love us in the faith.
 
The Church has always ex-communicated and anathematised people. You are taking these verses to mean something that's never been the position of the Church.
Uh...I can read...maybe you can't...BTW, the church is the people...

"But now I am writing you to stop keeping company with anyone called a brother who is sexually immoral or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man...while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked person from among yourselves.” 1 Corinthians 5:11,13
 
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LittleNipper said:


But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless.


Good point...

with 50 days to go, it is definitely time to get serious i think.

Daisy, what are the chances that the Russians and the Oranges are not just hurling insults this time ???


In the rest of Christianity, if somebody leaves the Church you still maintain a friendship with that person. Not saying there won't ever be any tough conversations but the last thing we would do is cut that person off entirely.

they become outsiders like your town friends or neighbors. we love people regardless, as i try to do on this forum.

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with 50 days to go, it is definitely time to get serious i think.

Daisy, what are the chances that the Russians and the Oranges are not just hurling insults this time ???




they become outsiders like your town friends or neighbors. we love people regardless, as i try to do on this forum.

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I'm not worried...God's got this...what happens happens and when it does, only Jehovah can save you...no bunker, no amount of talking...Jehovah...
 
I'm not worried...God's got this...what happens happens and when it does, only Jehovah can save you...no bunker, no amount of talking...Jehovah...

thanks Daisy.

at least we can take our Translations down to the bunker.

when the Smoke clears, then i will give out all my Good Bibles to those who survive the aftermath where i live. out here everybody has Shovels.


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Uh...I can read...maybe you can't...BTW, the church is the people...

"But now I am writing you to stop keeping company with anyone called a brother who is sexually immoral or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man...while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked person from among yourselves.” 1 Corinthians 5:11,13
Removing people is called Ex-Communication and Christianity has always practiced that. It's not the same as how JW practice it where they tell people in their congregation not to speak or ever associate with that person ever again. That's not historical Christianity.

And you're not in a legitimate Church if your leadership doesn't trace it's succession back to the Apostles. There is no teaching Authority for anybody at Watchtower. It's a heretical group outside the body of Christ. There's only one true and holy apostolic Church and one baptism for remission of sins. St. Ignatius famously said "Where the Bishop is, there is the Church."
 
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JW practice it where they tell people in their congregation not to speak or ever associate with that person ever again.
That is a lie...we follow exactly how the Bible/Jesus says to deal with such ones...

“Moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go and reveal his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.But if he does not listen, take along with you one or two more, so that on the testimony of two or three witnesses every matter may be established. If he does not listen to them, speak to the congregation. If he does not listen even to the congregation, let him be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector." Matthew 18:15-17

not in a legitimate Church if your leadership doesn't trace it's succession back to the Apostles. There is no teaching Authority for anybody at Watchtower.

lol...our authority is God's Word...we don't make up words/doctrines as we go along but adhere exclusively to what the Bible says/Jesus and his apostles...
 
Removing people is called Ex-Communication and Christianity has always practiced that. It's not the same as how JW practice it where they tell people in their congregation not to speak or ever associate with that person ever again. That's not historical Christianity.

And you're not in a legitimate Church if your leadership doesn't trace it's succession back to the Apostles.
I guess that means Mormons can't consider themselves from a legitimate church, either. They must be another "un-chosen people", like the kids in the playground who never get picked to be on the team, no matter how big their choir or cathedral is.
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There is no teaching Authority for anybody at Watchtower. It's a heretical group outside the body of Christ. There's only one true and holy apostolic Church and one baptism for remission of sins. St. Ignatius famously said "Where the Bishop is, there is the Church."
St. Spassky famously said, "My first wife and I were Bishops on different colors.", illustrating the point that some Bishops can exist in a place, a sort of parallel universe, where they can never meet any other Bishop. Seems unorthodox, right?
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........... and there it is; the message of Jesus: love, care, share, minister, worship and mind your own business is abandon along the road called Identifying the Righteous (and pointing out who is wrong)
 
........... and there it is; the message of Jesus: love, care, share, minister, worship and mind your own business is abandon along the road called Identifying the Righteous (and pointing out who is wrong)
lol...so you're minding your own business...got it...
 
You appear to be studying religion so you can nail other religions as out of line. Based on my reasoning everybody should simply tend to the tenets of their own religion and keep their noses out of everybody else's interpretations of the right way to worship. I'm not telling you how to conduct your worship. I'm telling you it's none of your business how another denomination or religion worships. I'm saying that in no way does it harm your religion if someone else conduct their worship differently.
I notice you dodged the scriptures I presented so that you can keep making it about me, telling me your personal opinion. If it were about me and my personal opinions, I would never have quoted scripture.

Just so it's clear to everyone reading this thread, whenever I quote scripture that debunks someone elses opinions and that person retorts in the manner weaver2 is retorting, he/she is not rejecting me. He/She is rejecting instructions from God's inspired word, the Judeo-Christian Bible.
 
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You appear to be studying religion so you can nail other religions as out of line. Based on my reasoning everybody should simply tend to the tenets of their own religion and keep their noses out of everybody else's interpretations of the right way to worship. I'm not telling you how to conduct your worship. I'm telling you it's none of your business how another denomination or religion worships. I'm saying that in no way does it harm your religion if someone else conduct their worship differently.
Yes, it is my business. Jesus Christ instructed his disciples as follows:

Matthew 28:19

Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,

Matthew 28:20

teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”


Notice at verse 19 Jesus said "Go." That was not a request. That was a command. The consequence for not attempting to help people who are misguided with false religious teachings is serious for those who claim they are followers of Jesus Christ.
 
Yes, it is my business. Jesus Christ instructed his disciples as follows:

Matthew 28:19

Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,

Matthew 28:20

teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”


Notice at verse 19 Jesus said "Go." That was not a request. That was a command. The consequence for not attempting to help people who are misguided with false religious teachings is serious for those who claim they are followers of Jesus Christ.
Do the "Jehovah's Witnesses" baptize in the name of the FATHER, and of the SON, and of the HOLY SPIRIT?


BIBLE
Matthew 28:19

"Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the holy spirit".


Watchtower
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(1) “Have you repented of your sins, dedicated yourself to Jehovah, and accepted his way of salvation through Jesus Christ?”

(2) “Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with Jehovah’s organization?”
 
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