New Mexico judge gets death threats after granting bail to Muslim compound members

[Atomic Kid]

Abused children, emaciated children, dead child. Those three tidbits are proof that bail should of been denied. The serious nature of those charges are proof of the risk they pose to the public. Add in the allegations of kidnapping and the supposed training to target schools. Jail is the appropriate place for these alleged criminals not house arrest enjoying netflix and pizza until trial

And you know what? If we are to take into account all that can it then possibly be that these "defendants" are actually victims of that abuse themselves? So really what makes you think they were enjoying Netflix and pizza before?

 

[roguenuke]

It was a signature bond:

Judge: NM compound defendants can be released pending trial

I was mistaken. But that was not info found in the original link. It simply said that they were out on $20K bond and had to wear a GPS tracker.

 

[Mycroft]

Figures it would be Daily Caller. I mean a 'real news' source and not some alt-right nationalist rag. Heck even my browser's security software is warning me not to connect to it. You need to find better sources.

LOL!!

Do you think a "real" news source can give you different information about the judge's ruling?

Sorry, but facts are facts no matter who reports them.

 

[Kal'Stang]

I was mistaken. But that was not info found in the original link. It simply said that they were out on $20K bond and had to wear a GPS tracker.

It was actually mentioned in the tweets shown in the OP's article. Understandable that you didn't see it. I normally ignore those myself but was curious this time. When I read the one tweet that mentioned it I did some digging of my own.

 

[Jetboogieman]

Sorry, but facts are facts no matter who reports them.

Just curious, what would a birther know about facts?

 

[Chillfolks]

And you know what? If we are to take into account all that can it then possibly be that these "defendants" are actually victims of that abuse themselves?

**** No!!! They are not the victims. The kids they abused are.

So really what makes you think they were enjoying Netflix and pizza before?

Who cared what they enjoyed before they got caugt abusing these kids. After getting caught the severity of their alleged crimes and the poor health of the kids is enough to keep then locked up to protect the public

 

[roguenuke]

Yes, it was "faith healing" (god I hate that term), but that to me is still killing the child. And afaik is a case for manslaughter at the least.

It is. But when it comes to Christians who allow faith healing to take the lives of their children, they generally get far more sympathy (and therefore bail tends to be less as well for them) as compared to someone/group who tortures and/or kills their kids out of malice or revenge or even just plain crazy.

Faith Healing and the Law | Pew Research Center

No matter how people feel about any laws or legal leniency that is given to those who rely on faith-based healing, it has to be treated equally when it comes up as part of a case.

 

[roguenuke]

It was actually mentioned in the tweets shown in the OP's article. Understandable that you didn't see it. I normally ignore those myself but was curious this time. When I read the one tweet that mentioned it I did some digging of my own.

Tweets shown? I take it I would need a twitter account to see them (since I cannot find what you are talking about).

 

[Atomic Kid]

Oh yes Atomic Kid, it had everything to do with them being Islamic. :roll: They were training kids to shoot up schools. They killed one kid due to some sort of ritualistic ceremony to get rid of "demons". But hey, you go ahead and continue to defend these ****ing freaks because of some cause of yours.

Did I say it had "everything to do with them being Islamic"? No I did not. I said it has some bearing on it and judging by that court document the state even attempted to make the argument before the court that their religion should be considered as a determining factor as to "making a determination of dangerousness" of these defendants and thus their eligibility for bail. So it would appear that they're being Islamic does have something to do with this matter. So if you don't mind please quote me more accurately in the future and try sticking to the facts.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Tweets shown? I take it I would need a twitter account to see them (since I cannot find what you are talking about).

Oh sorry, it was in the article of the OP in this thread: Link Sorry about that. Got the two confused. :3oops:

 

[Kal'Stang]

It is. But when it comes to Christians who allow faith healing to take the lives of their children, they generally get far more sympathy (and therefore bail tends to be less as well for them) as compared to someone/group who tortures and/or kills their kids out of malice or revenge or even just plain crazy.

Faith Healing and the Law | Pew Research Center

No matter how people feel about any laws or legal leniency that is given to those who rely on faith-based healing, it has to be treated equally when it comes up as part of a case.

Yes, they should be treated equally....equally harsh. I can't stand people that abuse kids like this. One of my biggest pet peeves.

 

[Atomic Kid]

**** No!!! They are not the victims. The kids they abused are.



Who cared what they enjoyed before they got caugt abusing these kids. After getting caught the severity of their alleged crimes and the poor health of the kids is enough to keep then locked up to protect the public

What? You don't think it's possible for an adult to be abused? And remember these people were kids once too and this could have been going on for a long time since no one seems to know or is sure as to when this all started.

 

[Atomic Kid]

LOL!!

Do you think a "real" news source can give you different information about the judge's ruling?

Sorry, but facts are facts no matter who reports them.

Different from what you stated? Definitely! That's already been proven. Yet again!

 

[roguenuke]

Yes, they should be treated equally....equally harsh. I can't stand people that abuse kids like this. One of my biggest pet peeves.

I don't like it either, and think it should be seen as something bad.

But I also think there is a balance here. I don't agree with forcing certain things/treatments on people simply to extend life, adding years (or more likely weeks/days) but not quality due to the feelings and pain and other things they face from trying to treat something that is terminal.

If it is easily treatable, something that should not be terminal, except someone chose not to get the child some sort of medical attention, then it should be treated as manslaughter, at least so long as they should have reasonably known that withholding that assistance would lead to death or more severe consequences. But these things should still be taken on a case by case basis. I am not for prosecuting struggling parents who think they are doing what they can for their children but something happens to cause death or something else to happen. Every case needs to have the circumstances taken into account.

 

[WCH]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...bail-to-muslim-compound-members-idUSKBN1L0014

TAOS, N.M. (Reuters) - A New Mexico judge received death threats and Islamophobic abuse on Tuesday a day after she granted bail to five Muslims charged with child abuse and accused of training children at their compound to carry out attacks, court officials said.

Police raided the compound in Taos County on Aug. 3 following a tip-off that children held there were starving. They found 11 children in need of food and water, and three days later unearthed the body of a toddler.
==========================================================
Only in Trump's islamophobic America.

"Islamophobic abuse"? As opposed to Islamists abusing kids.

 

[Mycroft]

Different from what you stated? Definitely! That's already been proven. Yet again!

I stated facts and I gave the link to back it up.

You know...the link you deny.

 

[WCH]

Ever hear of "due process"? It's something we have here in America. Where you from, anyway?

The seriousness of the crimes should entail the bail be much more than they could afford.

 

[Chillfolks]

What? You don't think it's possible for an adult to be abused? And remember these people were kids once too and this could have been going on for a long time since no one seems to know or is sure as to when this all started.

I gotta tap the breaks here before we spin off on a different debate to clarify something.

Are you implying that because these ****head adults may make claims of abuse that somehow lessons the severity of their alleged crimes or impacts their bail in any way? Are you excusing, defending, or somehow negating the alleged starvation and mental/physical trama they are accused of inflicting because of a made up abuse claim? You seem to be one of the only people defending the mistake the judge made in granting their parole so I could just be misreading your position because I disagree with it.