New Mexico judge gets death threats after granting bail to Muslim compound members

[Atomic Kid]

The defense attorney did.

Well that's not the judge, is it? Duh?

 

[Acadia]

Figures it would be Daily Caller. I mean a 'real news' source and not some alt-right nationalist rag. Heck even my browser's security software is warning me not to connect to it. You need to find better sources.

Yeah, printing actual legal documents is yellow journalism at its best:roll:

 

[Acadia]

Well that's not the judge, is it? Duh?

It would appear both used this canard to allow these criminal radicals to walk free.

 

[VanceMack]

That's wildly inappropriate. This should be fully investigated and whoever made the alleged threats should be found and arrested and tried themselves.

 

[Atomic Kid]

That is were we disagree. She did not apply it equally she asked the prosecution to go above the state law IMO to justify her want to grant bail.

But none of that justifies the threats she's received

I guess we'll have to leave it as being just your opinion seeing as though there is no proof being offered that underscores the validity of it.

 

[Samhain]

Figures it would be Daily Caller. I mean a 'real news' source and not some alt-right nationalist rag. Heck even my browser's security software is warning me not to connect to it. You need to find better sources.

Here, I pulled down the relevant document from the court transcript so you can safely continue to browse. Apparently she uses "apparently" often.

 

[roguenuke]

I don't condone death threats to anyone, but I can understand people not liking her ruling...especially since she accuses the State of discrimination based on religion.

Is that accusation unfounded? Do we know that the prosecutor did not bring up their religion as a reason to deny bail to them? Would it be okay for the State to bring up the religion of a Jehovah's Witness in a similar case as a reason to deny bail?

 

[Samhain]

Is that accusation unfounded? Do we know that the prosecutor did not bring up their religion as a reason to deny bail to them? Would it be okay for the State to bring up the religion of a Jehovah's Witness in a similar case as a reason to deny bail?

She basically said show me the evidence now that they are Islamic terrorists or they can go free. Not sure how often a bail hearing requires a preponderance of evidence.

What are the odds that they show back up in court?

 

[Atomic Kid]

It would appear both used this canard to allow these criminal radicals to walk free.

Canards is all you ever seem to offer. You wouldn't recognize a fact even it were to run up and bite you on the ass. And I thought this suppose to be about child abuse and the threat to public safety. What makes it about radicalism? Could it be their religion?

 

[roguenuke]

Here, I pulled down the relevant document from the court transcript so you can safely continue to browse. Apparently she uses "apparently" often.

Twice is often?

And did the State try to make the claim that a Muslim taking a trip to Mecca (something required by their faith) is a reason to deny bail or automatically makes the person dangerous?

How old were the teens learning to shoot? Do we not have families here in America who are not Muslim who also teach their children, especially teenagers, to shoot weapons?

 

[roguenuke]

She basically said show me the evidence now that they are Islamic terrorists or they can go free. Not sure how often a bail hearing requires a preponderance of evidence.

What are the odds that they show back up in court?

They have GPS ankle bracelets on. Pretty good odds they show back up.

 

[Acadia]

They have GPS ankle bracelets on. Pretty good odds they show back up.

To me, that's not the point. Mr. and Mrs. Turpin got $12MM bail each, and their kids are all alive.
These living conditions were at least as bad, if not worse, and one child is dead.

How the hell does that compute?

 

[roguenuke]

To me, that's not the point. Mr. and Mrs. Turpin got $12MM bail each, and their kids are all alive.
These living conditions were at least as bad, if not worse, and one child is dead.

How the hell does that compute?

As I said earlier, their bails should have been higher. The Turpins also tortured their kids, while this one seems much more to be a case of extreme neglect and the child who died (pending further evidence) seems to be a case of faith healing allowing such an event. Like it or not, faith healing (that fails and results in death even) has generally been given much more leeway/sympathy in such cases than intentionally holding children captive and torturing them does. Intention to cause harm generally is viewed as a much more serious crime than neglect that results in harm (still horrible, just given more sympathy within our society).

 

[YorkshirePete]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...bail-to-muslim-compound-members-idUSKBN1L0014

TAOS, N.M. (Reuters) - A New Mexico judge received death threats and Islamophobic abuse on Tuesday a day after she granted bail to five Muslims charged with child abuse and accused of training children at their compound to carry out attacks, court officials said.

Police raided the compound in Taos County on Aug. 3 following a tip-off that children held there were starving. They found 11 children in need of food and water, and three days later unearthed the body of a toddler.
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Only in Trump's islamophobic America.

Islamic America?
One. In 1000?
And our. Muslims have better education and earn more. Than our trump cult white rubes

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Judge Sarah Backus doesn't have her head screwed on properly, because the evidence is more than just "troubling and unusual", it's a large bucket of red flags. These people appear to be lunatics.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Here, I pulled down the relevant document from the court transcript so you can safely continue to browse. Apparently she uses "apparently" often.

So she uses the word 'apparently'. I would think most likely she would have to use the the term apparently if there is no accompanying documentation of the subjects that denotes their faith. But I think she makes fairly clear that religion cannot serve as being a factor for consideration in the rulings of the court where she says; "The court has never been asked to take any other person's faith into account is making a determination of dangerousness. The Court is not aware of any law that allows the Court to take a person's faith into consideration in making a dangerousness determination."

It also quite apparent from that document that it was the state that expected the court to take the individual's faith into account and she is telling them that the law does not allow for her to do so.

 

[YorkshirePete]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...bail-to-muslim-compound-members-idUSKBN1L0014

TAOS, N.M. (Reuters) - A New Mexico judge received death threats and Islamophobic abuse on Tuesday a day after she granted bail to five Muslims charged with child abuse and accused of training children at their compound to carry out attacks, court officials said.

Police raided the compound in Taos County on Aug. 3 following a tip-off that children held there were starving. They found 11 children in need of food and water, and three days later unearthed the body of a toddler.
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Only in Trump's islamophobic America.

One example?
None of the huge influx of white boy hate groups and crimes?
Never see these?
Talk about a fixed small mind.
How about the 5 yr old Tennessee item boy who knifed his little sister?

 

[Kal'Stang]

While I definitely do not agree with her on the bond amount (should have been far higher), they were not released on a signature bond. It was $20K each and a GPS ankle bracelet (they are also not allowed back at the site, but that seems like a duh).

It was a signature bond:

Judge: NM compound defendants can be released pending trial

After hearing nearly four hours of testimony Monday afternoon, Backus set bond for each of the five defendants at $20,000. It’s a “signature bond,” meaning no money is required up front and would be due only if the defendants violate conditions of release.

 

[Kal'Stang]

LOL! You think the fact they are Islamic has absolutely no bearing on it? That's absolutely laughable. You can bet the farm, if you still have one, that Trump's 'base' (and you all know who you are) is being well represented here.

Oh yes Atomic Kid, it had everything to do with them being Islamic. :roll: They were training kids to shoot up schools. They killed one kid due to some sort of ritualistic ceremony to get rid of "demons". But hey, you go ahead and continue to defend these ****ing freaks because of some cause of yours.

 

[VanceMack]

Has anyone heard anything about the other 11 kids? I mean...other than the one they killed?

 

[Kal'Stang]

Impeach the judge!!!

I don't normally go for that type of thing. But in this case I might make an exception because of what these people did to KIDS.

 

[Chillfolks]

I guess we'll have to leave it as being just your opinion seeing as though there is no proof being offered that underscores the validity of it.

Abused children, emaciated children, dead child. Those three tidbits are proof that bail should of been denied. The serious nature of those charges are proof of the risk they pose to the public. Add in the allegations of kidnapping and the supposed training to target schools. Jail is the appropriate place for these alleged criminals not house arrest enjoying netflix and pizza until trial

 

[roguenuke]

Oh yes Atomic Kid, it had everything to do with them being Islamic. :roll: They were training kids to shoot up schools. They killed one kid due to some sort of ritualistic ceremony to get rid of "demons". But hey, you go ahead and continue to defend these ****ing freaks because of some cause of yours.

The training kids to shoot up schools things was not coorborated by any evidence. The accusation came from the prosecution alleging a foster parent said this was what they were told, but they did not present this person for evidence.

Do you have evidence that they "killed" the kid (as in intentionally) rather than allowing the child to die due to faith healing and lack of medical care?

 

[beancounter]

I bet they'll take advantage of the bail and make themselves disappear. It's pretty obvious from their actions that they are a high flight risk.

 

[Kal'Stang]

The training kids to shoot up schools things was not coorborated by any evidence. The accusation came from the prosecution alleging a foster parent said this was what they were told, but they did not present this person for evidence.

Do you have evidence that they "killed" the kid (as in intentionally) rather than allowing the child to die due to faith healing and lack of medical care?

Yes, it was "faith healing" (god I hate that term), but that to me is still killing the child. And afaik is a case for manslaughter at the least.