New Jersey solves educational challenges!

[Lutherf]

https://13wham.com/news/nation-worl...oficiency-phil-murphy-crisis-in-the-classroom

Gov. Phil Murphy signed into law Monday the elimination of the state's basic skills test requirement. Passing the exam was previously required for teachers to become certified if they did not score in the top one-third percentile of the SAT, ACT or GRE.

This makes perfect sense. If teachers can't meet basic skills standards then it's the exam, not the aspiring teacher that is the problem. One of the biggest problems we have in America is that all kinds of organizations have "expectations" and "standards" instead of respecting such things as a compelling life story or the fact that a given candidate might come from an oppressed demographic. If we get rid of the "standards" then we can make sure that nobody feels left out or otherwise marginalized.

 

[j brown's body]

There are teacher shortages all over.

Amid a U.S. teacher shortage, Florida turns to military veterans

So many Florida teachers have abandoned their profession in recent years that the state is inviting military veterans with no prior teaching experience to lead classrooms while they earn education credentials.

www.reuters.com

 

[Argent]

/s/Well I suppose teachers learning to read, do math, spell, and write at the same time as their students isn't all bad..../s/

 

[dmpi]

Teaches hate testing. They hated it for their student and even more so when they themselves get tested. Essentially all testing ever did is rank people inside their peer group. Imagine going through life with the belief that not knowing is better than acknowledging you're near the bottom and you need to work on improving.

 

[BirdinHand]

You know…because completing an entire college degree AND student teaching isn’t enough to make someone a teacher.



The shit people get their panties in a twist over.



Individuals holding degrees can now do 4 years of teaching on an “emergency” license and then get a full license.

Seems a reasonable way to get teachers into classrooms in the midst of a nationwide teacher shortage.

Don’t like it? Homeschool your kids.

 

[Lutherf]

You know…because completing an entire college degree AND student teaching isn’t enough to make someone a teacher.



The shit people get their panties in a twist over.



Individuals holding degrees can now do 4 years of teaching on an “emergency” license and then get a full license.

Seems a reasonable way to get teachers into classrooms in the midst of a nationwide teacher shortage.

Don’t like it? Homeschool your kids.

Are you really under the impression that having a degree means that a given individual actually knows stuff and things or, more importantly, can apply whatever knowledge they may have eked out in a meaningful way?

If teachers can't be expected to pass a basic skills test then why should we expect students to do so?

 

[Mach]

This makes perfect sense. If teachers can't meet basic skills standards then it's the exam, not the aspiring teacher that is the problem. One of the biggest problems we have in America is that all kinds of organizations have "expectations" and "standards" instead of respecting such things as a compelling life story or the fact that a given candidate might come from an oppressed demographic. If we get rid of the "standards" then we can make sure that nobody feels left out or otherwise marginalized.

It's a numbers game.

It's like 4M teachers in America, an enormous number.
Teachers are typically not paid all that great as related to what someone in the top 1/3 standardized test scores could get in the non-teaching job market.

choice: Pay teachers more or lower standards.
You can try to make the workplace better or market, but that costs money too and is trickier to implement.

Every institution on the face of the earth does this if they have to. military, business, people looking for a spouse.....

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Teaches hate testing.

They should definitely test more for those who can't spell.

Imagine going through life with the belief that not knowing is better than acknowledging you're near the bottom and you need to work on improving.

No further commentary is necessary.

 

[Argent]

Seems a reasonable way to get teachers into classrooms in the midst of a nationwide teacher shortage.

A better way to attract teachers is to support them on the job, ensure they have the tools needed to teach, and pay them well. There is an untenable escalation of student bad behavior happening in schools. In my city the teachers report that they are hit, punched, kicked, spit on by students; students fight each other in class; students throw furniture around the classroom all of which usually results in a short suspension and then the kids are let back in school. These are the things that impact teacher shortages more than taking a standardized test.

 

[ttwtt78640]

https://13wham.com/news/nation-worl...oficiency-phil-murphy-crisis-in-the-classroom


This makes perfect sense. If teachers can't meet basic skills standards then it's the exam, not the aspiring teacher that is the problem. One of the biggest problems we have in America is that all kinds of organizations have "expectations" and "standards" instead of respecting such things as a compelling life story or the fact that a given candidate might come from an oppressed demographic. If we get rid of the "standards" then we can make sure that nobody feels left out or otherwise marginalized.

But if there aren’t enough well qualified applicants then the standards should be lowered (or removed) for the good of the unions.

 

[ttwtt78640]

A better way to attract teachers is to support them on the job, ensure they have the tools needed to teach, and pay them well. There is an untenable escalation of student bad behavior happening in schools. In my city the teachers report that they are hit, punched, kicked, spit on by students; students fight each other in class; students throw furniture around the classroom all of which usually results in a short suspension and then the kids are let back in school. These are the things that impact teacher shortages more than taking a standardized test.

Yep, if you must have low behavioral standards for students then you need to lower the standards for teachers.

 

[j brown's body]

But if there aren’t enough well qualified applicants then the standards should be lowered (or removed) for the good of the unions.

Well, and because there should probably always be an adult in the classroom.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Well, and because there should probably always be an adult in the classroom.

Yep, hiring qualified (must be an adult) babysitters (daycare workers?) is easier than hiring qualified teachers.

 

[j brown's body]

Home schooling has grown over the past several years and they are virtually unregulated and conservatives are crazy about it.

So at least the public schools and their personnel are above that.

 

[ttwtt78640]

/s/Well I suppose teachers learning to read, do math, spell, and write at the same time as their students isn't all bad..../s/

Hmm… we can call them union partners in education.

 

[j brown's body]

Yep, hiring qualified (must be an adult) babysitters (daycare workers?) is easier than hiring qualified teachers.

First, you must find the qualified teachers, thus the crux of the problem. Qualified teachers are leaving the profession and fewer and fewer people want to become teachers.

 

[Lutherf]

But if there aren’t enough well qualified applicants then the standards should be lowered (or removed) for the good of the unions.

Sure. I feel the same way about airline pilots, brain surgeons, auto mechanics, carpenters, etc. If you do a job and everything falls apart then that's sure fire proof that the standards need to be lowered!

 

[j brown's body]

Sure. I feel the same way about airline pilots, brain surgeons, auto mechanics, carpenters, etc. If you do a job and everything falls apart then that's sure fire proof that the standards need to be lowered!

Should those teaching home schools have any qualifications?

What about charter schools?

"The details here vary from state to state (here's a handy chart for looking up your own state), but charter schools generally don't have to play by the same rules as public schools. Non-discrimination, health and safety, and school year length are often (but not always) exceptions--beyond the specific exceptions, charters operate as they will, and may in some states request additional waivers. So, for instance, many states do not require charter teachers to be certified. Public schools, meanwhile, must play by all the rules laid down by the state."

Charter Schools Are Not Public Schools

Technically, any charter school can call itself a public school. Heck, any private or parochial school can call itself a public school if it's so inclined. But while modern charter schools are financed by public tax dollars, they are not truly public schools.

www.forbes.com

 

[Lutherf]

First, you must find the qualified teachers, thus the crux of the problem. Qualified teachers are leaving the profession and fewer and fewer people want to become teachers.

I have a number of clients in the teaching profession and over the past 5 years or so most have retired. The main complaint is that they don't get the support of the administration when they are trying to get students to come up to standards.

 

[Lutherf]

Should those teaching home schools have any qualifications?

Home schooling is a parent's choice. Some home schooled kids will do better than their publicly schooled peers and others won't. The issue here is with public schools and if the government is going to provide schooling then they should have to meet standards that will give the kids a decent opportunity in the job market.

 

[j brown's body]

I have a number of clients in the teaching profession and over the past 5 years or so most have retired. The main complaint is that they don't get the support of the administration when they are trying to get students to come up to standards.

That can happen. The first step should be getting rid of cellphones.

 

[ttwtt78640]

First, you must find the qualified teachers, thus the crux of the problem. Qualified teachers are leaving the profession and fewer and fewer people want to become teachers.

OK, but let’s not try to address the ‘root causes’, let’s just lower the standards.

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[j brown's body]

Home schooling is a parent's choice. Some home schooled kids will do better than their publicly schooled peers and others won't. The issue here is with public schools and if the government is going to provide schooling then they should have to meet standards that will give the kids a decent opportunity in the job market.

The government also provides resources for charter and home schooling. Why should be they be regulated too?

Unregulated home schooling brings its own, unique problem.

Homeschooling & Child Abuse - Coalition for Responsible Home Education

CRHE was founded in 2013 to address a problem: the use of homeschooling to isolate or abuse children. While there are homeschooled children who experience a positive, child-centered learning environment at home, this is not always the case:... Read More

responsiblehomeschooling.org

 

[ttwtt78640]

Sure. I feel the same way about airline pilots, brain surgeons, auto mechanics, carpenters, etc. If you do a job and everything falls apart then that's sure fire proof that the standards need to be lowered!

It couldn’t possibly be that unions make it virtually impossible to get rid of poor performing teachers, placing more stress on the teachers who actually want to improve student performance.

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[j brown's body]

OK, but let’s not try to address the ‘root causes’, let’s just lower the standards.

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Imagine being a teacher and having the state dictating by law what you can teach and say to students every minute of the day.

Who would want to work with that?