Nearly two-thirds of voters think Trump committed crimes before taking office, poll finds

[trouble13]

And that somehow negates that Trump isn't some shady ass, sleazy, conman?

Clinton did it, Clinton did it, Clinton did it. It's getting old.

It of those stubborn facts that just wont go away for the left. As you say everyone believes the clintons are crooked as they do Trump. That was the 2 choices we had. If your gonna bring up what people think about Trump its fair game to bring up the same question about Clinton. She was the alternative choice.

Its also fair game to ask the same questions of 2020 hopefuls

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[trouble13]

No. It means he's an unethical criminal.

Thqt might be true but as far as i know he hasnt been convicted of anything.

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[Ikari]

It of those stubborn facts that just wont go away for the left. As you say everyone believes the clintons are crooked as they do Trump. That was the 2 choices we had. If your gonna bring up what people think about Trump its fair game to bring up the same question about Clinton. She was the alternative choice.

Its also fair game to ask the same questions of 2020 hopefuls

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If Clinton's wrong doings were not being used as an excuse to ignore and deflect Trump's wrong doings, you may have a point. But since it's just a deflectionary tactic, it's not quite the same.

 

[trouble13]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

Really? This is all you got? Maybe you didn't get the memo, but Hillary Clinton isn't the President, and she's not running this go around either.

Sure but the question was asked prior to the election when she was running. If ypu vpted for her you voted for someone that the msjprity of Americans believe is an unethical crook.

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[haymarket]

Curious, how did the Electoral College fail to do their job?

In Federalist Paer 68, Alexander Hamilton explains to the nation how the Electoral College is suppose to work to protect the nation. He wants the new nation and its people to support something other than ad direct election for the office of president and promises them certain benefits in exchange for not having that direct election.

The Avalon Project : Federalist No 68

He warns that the EC can protect the nation against the chief threat to our nation. - the attempt by a foreign power to elevate a creature of their own to our highest office.

Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one querter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union? But the convention have guarded against all danger of this sort, with the most provident and judicious attention.

In have carefully researched all and every meeting of state electors following the 2016 election and cannot find any evidence that even one single meeting took any steps including discussion to undertake this promised responsibility.

The EC has simply become a mechanical and perfunctory function that fails to deliver the benefits that the Founders promised to the nation when we bought into it.

 

[haymarket]

So, you're admitting that Hillary shouldn't have been president?

How in heavens did you jump to that conclusion based on what you think I said?

 

[Moderate Right]

How in heavens did you jump to that conclusion based on what you think I said?

Oh, so you are saying that we shouldn't have Trump the scum president but it would be OK to have Hillary the scum president.

 

[trouble13]

Smoking a little weed in College is not remotely the same as paying multiple porn starts to keep quiet about affairs they had with the President a mere months after the birth of his youngest son. Based on some legal experts Michael Cohen has implicated Trump in at least 11 felonies. Furthermore, many of those felonies were committed for the purposes of helping him win the Presidency in the first place. Given that Trump lost the popular vote regardless of those crimes it is a virtual certainty that those crimes won him the White House in the first place.

These crimes have radically altered the course of this country in a way that the majority of Americans did not want. If you want power in America you have to legally convince the Majority of the American people you should have it. If you can't do that without committing major felonies then you have no right to be in the White House.

Why are you concerned with Trumps sex life?

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[haymarket]

Oh, so you are saying that we shouldn't have Trump the scum president but it would be OK to have Hillary the scum president.

I ask you again, how did you make that leap based on what I wrote that you pretended to be replying to?

When you compare Clinton to Trump I think you are comparing Clinton who is flawed and sometimes ethically challenged human being who had tremendous qualifications for the office despite those character flaws - with Trump who is a narcissistic, racist, xenophobic corrupt, mentally disturbed criminal with no ethics at all and who was completely unqualified for the office by any measurement.

Its like comparing the bad dog who wet on your carpet with a gorilla who somehow got in and left behind fifty pounds of crap in your living room.

 

[uptower]

Just remember half of those two thirds don't care that trump committed crimes, because 'Mexicans are rapists,' or something...

 

[lurchadams]

Poll: Voters Say Hillary Is A Dishonest Liar

You are the first alt-rightee to employee whataboutism in this thread. You win a car!

 

[Moderate Right]

I ask you again, how did you make that leap based on what I wrote that you pretended to be replying to?

When you compare Clinton to Trump I think you are comparing Clinton who is flawed and sometimes ethically challenged human being who had tremendous qualifications for the office despite those character flaws - with Trump who is a narcissistic, racist, xenophobic corrupt, mentally disturbed criminal with no ethics at all and who was completely unqualified for the office by any measurement.

Its like comparing the bad dog who wet on your carpet with a gorilla who somehow got in and left behind fifty pounds of crap in your living room.

Why don't you just make it easy on everyone and state what you think.

Would you have been fine with crooked Hillary as president? Yes, no, or maybe. By the way, a maybe is a yes.

 

[Moderate Right]

You are the first alt-rightee to employee whataboutism in this thread. You win a car!

It's actually funny when you guys are nothing but whataboutTrump and then call out the other side for whataboutism.

 

[CharisRose]

Wrong Pal. We aren't left with that choice. Impeaching Trump does not put Hillary Clinton in the White House it only removes Trump. In 2020, neither one of the candidates has to be a known criminal or even a perceived criminal. Our Constitution gives us the means to fix this ****ing disaster once and for all.

True, impeaching Trump will not put Clinton in the White House. If, Dems are successful and remove Trump from office...

Vice-President Pence will take his place as President. What kind of dirt do you think the Dems will use to remove him from office?

So, they can get a Pelosi Presidency.

Roseann

 

[yankintx]

Well **** me runnin’! If that many people think Trump is a criminal then he must be guilty. Lock him up!

Nothing says “justice” quite like a mob lynching.

Did you the CPAC mob chant lock her up just last week? People in glass houses eh ?

 

[CharisRose]

Try not taking every word literally. Yes, Trump CAN be criticized, but you and a few others in this thread seem to be suggesting that to criticize him is dishonest since Hillary was a bad candidate and possibly crooked.

You’re welcome. Carry on with your nonsensical excuses.

Thanks to Freedom of Speech... Trump can be criticized until the cows come home and fart...

As long as you understand that Trump is The Duly Elected POTUS.

And, Thanks to Freedom of Speech... it, also... allows others who disagree with the criticism to criticize that criticism. And, even allows defending The POTUS.

Roseann

 

[sjmay]

In Federalist Paer 68, Alexander Hamilton explains to the nation how the Electoral College is suppose to work to protect the nation. He wants the new nation and its people to support something other than ad direct election for the office of president and promises them certain benefits in exchange for not having that direct election.

The Avalon Project : Federalist No 68

He warns that the EC can protect the nation against the chief threat to our nation. - the attempt by a foreign power to elevate a creature of their own to our highest office.



In have carefully researched all and every meeting of state electors following the 2016 election and cannot find any evidence that even one single meeting took any steps including discussion to undertake this promised responsibility.

The EC has simply become a mechanical and perfunctory function that fails to deliver the benefits that the Founders promised to the nation when we bought into it.

The EC did EXACTLY what it's supposed to do.....it represents the will....the vote....of the people for the candidate, that they voted for.

So tell me again how it FAILED to do it's job, or is it, you think it failed, because you dont like the result?

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Poll: Voters Say Hillary Is A Dishonest Liar

 

[prometeus]

Vice-President Pence will take his place as President. What kind of dirt do you think the Dems will use to remove him from office?

So, they can get a Pelosi Presidency.

How did you come up with that?

 

[year2late]

Poll: Voters Say Hillary Is A Dishonest Liar

Nice diversion. Is she POTUS or running for POTUS?

I have no issue if she is investigated. :lamo

Now back to the actual POTUS who is responsible for the hole he has dug himself into....

Or perhaps yo want to look into Obama's birth certificate or his school records?

 

[Erod]

Also, most polled view Cohen as more trustworthy than Trump. These are staggering numbers.

[h=1]Nearly two-thirds of voters think Trump committed crimes before taking office, poll finds[/h]
[FONT="]One the first polls conducted since President Donald Trump's former attorney implicated him in illegal activity was released Tuesday, and most of the results were not very good for the president.

A [URL="https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2603"]poll from Quinnipiac University National[/URL] found 64 percent of American voters believe Trump committed crimes before assuming office, while 24 percent did not believe that he had (another 13 percent said they weren't sure.) Forty-five percent said they think Trump committed crimes since taking office compared to 43 percent who think he did not.

The numbers among Republicans were better for the president, with a third saying they believe he committed crimes before taking office and 48 percent saying he did not. Only 12 percent of Republicans said Trump had committed crimes since taking office while 79 percent did not
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NEWSFLASH: All voters know that Washington is cram packed with nothing but corrupt liars, cheats, and scam artists.

Trump is no different. And he's far less corrupt than Hillary.

So....?

 

[Erod]

It's actually funny when you guys are nothing but whataboutTrump and then call out the other side for whataboutism.

The moment they play the "whataboutism" game, they are admitting defeat. They try to cloak it in this weird solidarity response to try and deflect their inability to answer.

It happens when you've lived your entire life twisted in hypocrisy.

 

[Sgt Meowenstein]

NEWSFLASH: All voters know that Washington is cram packed with nothing but corrupt liars, cheats, and scam artists.

Trump is no different. And he's far less corrupt than Hillary.

So....?

Oh look. Another but but but Hillary response :roll:

 

[CharisRose]

Yes, you did. That's what a deflection is. By referencing Hillary you are in fact trying to claim that we should shut up about Trump because Hillary was just as bad. Not only is she not even remotely close to as bad as Trump, but she is no longer running for office.

No, she didn't. The Democrat Party's nominee was Hillary Clinton. The Republican Party's Nominee was Donald Trump. The others who ran for President don't matter.

Since those were the two parties nominees that ran for President. And both are considered to be flawed persons.

Comparison of the two is reasonable for both sides to criticize after the election was won by Trump and lost by Clinton.

When debating the outcome of the race for President in retrospect and presenting debatable reasons or criticism for why the one lost and the other won.

Deflection is not being willing to compare the reasons or criticism of both sides of the debate.

Roseann

 

[Top Cat]

Jimmy Carter was squeaky clean and one of the worse Presidents.
I'm sure Trump used our laws to his advantage, skirted some and maybe broke some in his decades of business dealings. But does that mean he's a bad President?

No. But he is.