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Nearly Half Of The US Homeless Live In California

Nearly half of the U.S.’s homeless people live in one state: California - MarketWatch


I'm finally beginning to see the liberal light. I now understand that this is what liberals want - non workers mooching off of the federal government, living in a generational cycle of poverty where they can't even afford housing of any kind. And, open the borders to more illegals so they can join the crowd. If liberals wanted to fix the problem they could fix it at the state level but they won't because this is the way they want it and then blame it on the feds and on Trump and the Republicans.



Homeless migrate to California because the weather is better there, and CA is nicer to them than many other states.

Many are homeless because the free market is unable to provide enough income at lower levels to keep up with housing demand in CA, as millions want to live here.


It's not socialism driving homelessness, it's capitalism.


Texas poverty levels is less, but not much less, than CA's as a percentage, but I don't see you criticizing Texas.

Moreover, 40 million people choose to live in CA, the economy is the 5th largest in the WORLD, and there are more rich people in CA than any other state. We have a billion dollar surplus, and unlike
many red states, CA sends more money to Fed coffers than it recieves from the fed.

We are a lot of things, so focusing on the worst things is noisy negativism in the furtherance of an agenda.
 
I might not be arguing with a Confederate at all but you live in a former Confederate state, and you're using the same arguments Confederates used when they first objected to federal involvement.
And they've been using those same arguments ever since.

Hearing those arguments repeated over and over again is like being forced to watch "Mississippi Burning" over and over again.
Everything in my argument is relative to your position, because your position is one of support for getting the federal government to step away from the manner in which states like yours run themselves.

I've made my position very clear. States which cannot or will not follow federal law must be compelled to do so.
I've made it very clear that we tried the laissez-faire approach already.
I've made it very clear that history teaches us that the laissez-faire approach resulted in conduct which proved detrimental to large numbers of people.

States rights is mostly sham, mostly because the criteria that attempts to justify it is often sham, and at any rate, it appears that support for states rights is often uneven or even hypocritical, or tied to a double standard.

We in California were just told that OUR "states rights" don't count, yes? Well guess what?

As I said your rants are nothing more than strawmen and some weird sense of guilt by association because I happen to live in a particular state rather than any basis on what I have actually said.

So you are against "Sanctuary cities" and states decriminalizing marijuana? Should we send federal troops into California to enforce federal law?
 
As I said your rants are nothing more than strawmen and some weird sense of guilt by association because I happen to live in a particular state rather than any basis on what I have actually said.

So you are against "Sanctuary cities" and states decriminalizing marijuana? Should we send federal troops into California to enforce federal law?

That has already been threatened several times by your guy Trump.
Once a sufficient majority of states decide to legalize marijuana, we wind up with the federal government at war with the majority of its states.
You guys down South never succeeded in mustering enough numbers to gain victory for your positions on slavery, not 154 years ago and not since. You've made a big show of it, but it remains the "Lost Cause of the South" for a reason.

I have twice now illuminated the precise and valid reasons why my arguments FOR federal intercession was necessary in your region. The Civil War was fought over "states rights" to OWN SLAVES, as set forth in the secession statements of all the Confederate states.
That has been :beatdeadhorse beaten to death a billion times. Please spare us all.

If the Federal Government elects to go to all out pot war against the States, which are rapidly approaching a majority, there is no clear victory. Twenty-six states and the District of Columbia have decriminalized small amounts of marijuana. Eleven states have legalized it outright.
That is already thirty-eight states in total.
I do not see your attempted goal post move in comparing slavery and Jim Crow to pot working very well, unless moving the goal posts was the only incentive.
In which case you still haven't succeeded.

Sanctuary cities and sanctuary states will be looked at again and again. Watch for major changes to our own sanctuary laws here in Cali next year. The concept will remain but I bet money the defining criteria will be tightened up quite a bit.
And in order for that to bear fruit, Congress is going to have to sit down and define a fair, rational and accessible path to legal residency and/or citizenship. What we have in place now is none of those things, and that has been the case long before Trump.

If the idea sells, people will use it. In order for it to sell, it has to be realistic.
Ellis Island was maybe not perfect but it was a much more realistic approach than our current policies.

Illegal immigration is wrong, but it occurs more in the last few decades because we lie to ourselves about the reasons it happens at all. We are not being honest with ourselves in the least, and we haven't been for well over a century.
Safe to say we have never been completely honest with ourselves about it.

The reason so many out in the world consider our immigration policy a sad joke, is because our immigration policy is a sad joke, particularly when compared to so many other western countries. We can HAVE a MERIT based system like they do, but it has to make sense.

We don't even currently make sense when we define illegal immigration at all right now.
Suddenly EVERYONE or ALMOST EVERYONE is illegal...we're deporting legal residents, even naturalized citizens, we're doing all kinds of bullcrap that contravene our own laws FFS.
 
Homeless migrate to California because the weather is better there, and CA is nicer to them than many other states.

Many are homeless because the free market is unable to provide enough income at lower levels to keep up with housing demand in CA, as millions want to live here.


It's not socialism driving homelessness, it's capitalism.


Texas poverty levels is less, but not much less, than CA's as a percentage, but I don't see you criticizing Texas.

Moreover, 40 million people choose to live in CA, the economy is the 5th largest in the WORLD, and there are more rich people in CA than any other state. We have a billion dollar surplus, and unlike
many red states, CA sends more money to Fed coffers than it recieves from the fed.

We are a lot of things, so focusing on the worst things is noisy negativism in the furtherance of an agenda.

And yet, while CA touts their economy, they have a dumpster full of poverty.

California ranks No. 1 in poverty once again. Take one guess why. - The San Diego Union-Tribune
 
What would you do then? Lock the homeless up in prison, push them into camps. How do you stop the homeless from doing what they want besides arresting them?

I wouldn't let them camp around in public and **** all over the place. I mean, that might be something you like but I'd have them removed and policies in place that didn't encourage it.
 
Have you BEEN to San Francisco? Because it would be amusing to watch city residents react to your description of their weather, which is inaccurate to say the least. It's not Chicago, but it's also not a sunny warm resort climate either.
People have written about San Francisco's weather in books, you know.

The city is surrounded on three sides by water, which is part of a N-S Alaska current.

I lived in Monterey for 3 years. Compared to many parts of the country, San Fran is moderate year round. That's just a fact. It doesn't get very cold or very hot. When you try and call someone out, at least know what you're talking about. San Fran is super moderate compared to about anywhere. It was 99 in San Antonio today.

The people who wrote books about San Fran weather being bad are bitches.
 
That has already been threatened several times by your guy Trump.
Once a sufficient majority of states decide to legalize marijuana, we wind up with the federal government at war with the majority of its states.
You guys down South never succeeded in mustering enough numbers to gain victory for your positions on slavery, not 154 years ago and not since. You've made a big show of it, but it remains the "Lost Cause of the South" for a reason.

I have twice now illuminated the precise and valid reasons why my arguments FOR federal intercession was necessary in your region. The Civil War was fought over "states rights" to OWN SLAVES, as set forth in the secession statements of all the Confederate states.
That has been :beatdeadhorse beaten to death a billion times. Please spare us all.

If the Federal Government elects to go to all out pot war against the States, which are rapidly approaching a majority, there is no clear victory. Twenty-six states and the District of Columbia have decriminalized small amounts of marijuana. Eleven states have legalized it outright.
That is already thirty-eight states in total.
I do not see your attempted goal post move in comparing slavery and Jim Crow to pot working very well, unless moving the goal posts was the only incentive.
In which case you still haven't succeeded.

Sanctuary cities and sanctuary states will be looked at again and again. Watch for major changes to our own sanctuary laws here in Cali next year. The concept will remain but I bet money the defining criteria will be tightened up quite a bit.
And in order for that to bear fruit, Congress is going to have to sit down and define a fair, rational and accessible path to legal residency and/or citizenship. What we have in place now is none of those things, and that has been the case long before Trump.

If the idea sells, people will use it. In order for it to sell, it has to be realistic.
Ellis Island was maybe not perfect but it was a much more realistic approach than our current policies.

Illegal immigration is wrong, but it occurs more in the last few decades because we lie to ourselves about the reasons it happens at all. We are not being honest with ourselves in the least, and we haven't been for well over a century.
Safe to say we have never been completely honest with ourselves about it.

The reason so many out in the world consider our immigration policy a sad joke, is because our immigration policy is a sad joke, particularly when compared to so many other western countries. We can HAVE a MERIT based system like they do, but it has to make sense.

We don't even currently make sense when we define illegal immigration at all right now.
Suddenly EVERYONE or ALMOST EVERYONE is illegal...we're deporting legal residents, even naturalized citizens, we're doing all kinds of bullcrap that contravene our own laws FFS.

Lol, Let me know when you are able to maintain an actual conversation without ridiculous strawmen and accusations. I don't have time to read long rants against positions that no one in the conversation hold.
 
I wouldn't let them camp around in public and **** all over the place. I mean, that might be something you like but I'd have them removed and policies in place that didn't encourage it.

It is not something I like but how to prevent it.

Make liberty dependent on having money?
 
Nearly half of the U.S.’s homeless people live in one state: California - MarketWatch


I'm finally beginning to see the liberal light. I now understand that this is what liberals want - non workers mooching off of the federal government, living in a generational cycle of poverty where they can't even afford housing of any kind. And, open the borders to more illegals so they can join the crowd. If liberals wanted to fix the problem they could fix it at the state level but they won't because this is the way they want it and then blame it on the feds and on Trump and the Republicans.


Why would liberals want this ?

To destroy America ?
 
Nearly half of the U.S.’s homeless people live in one state: California - MarketWatch


I'm finally beginning to see the liberal light. I now understand that this is what liberals want - non workers mooching off of the federal government, living in a generational cycle of poverty where they can't even afford housing of any kind. And, open the borders to more illegals so they can join the crowd. If liberals wanted to fix the problem they could fix it at the state level but they won't because this is the way they want it and then blame it on the feds and on Trump and the Republicans.

Explains vote harvesting and the 4 million vote margin of victory in California Clinton got in the last Presidential election.
 
It is not something I like but how to prevent it.

Make liberty dependent on having money?

Liberty =/= ****ting on the street and camping in front of people's stores or using their bathrooms without paying for anything and shooting up drugs. I know what won't prevent it though...throwing your hands in the air saying "What can we do?"
 
Liberty =/= ****ting on the street and camping in front of people's stores or using their bathrooms without paying for anything and shooting up drugs. I know what won't prevent it though...throwing your hands in the air saying "What can we do?"

Right

But if people do not have a washroom to use, they will go where ever they can, that would mean on the street, or in front of a business.

Now to stop that from occurring what would you do?
 
Right

But if people do not have a washroom to use, they will go where ever they can, that would mean on the street, or in front of a business.

Now to stop that from occurring what would you do?

Send them to Mexico, where nobody would complain.
 
Take away the freedom of Americans just because they have no money?

Not really. It beats jailing them for public defecation, etc..

They would probably do better south of the border. Closer to the drug sources, and they would fit in better.

Also, they wouldn't be ****ing over the business owners and other citizens who are subject to their behavior.
 
Not really. It beats jailing them for public defecation, etc..

They would probably do better south of the border. Closer to the drug sources, and they would fit in better.

Also, they wouldn't be ****ing over the business owners and other citizens who are subject to their behavior.

If they do not want to leave America?
 
Well, for the most part, they already have.

Besides, why would they care where they live?

Just dangle some booze and drugs in front of them. They'd follow without much complaint....

Very American, removing the rights of people for a lack of money.


And if Mexico does not want them?
 
Has nothing to do with lack of money.

Who cares what Mexico wants?

It certainly does

They would not be homeless if they had money, you would not want to kick Americans out of the country if they had money

Mexico cares
 
It certainly does

They would not be homeless if they had money, you would not want to kick Americans out of the country if they had money

Mexico cares

They don't have money because they chose not to do what is necessary to have it.

Life has consequences.

Their consequences are not other peoples problems.

And Mexico doesn't care.

Mexico is a failed culture, so more failures would hardly be noticed.
 
They don't have money because they chose not to do what is necessary to have it.

Life has consequences.

Their consequences are not other peoples problems.

And Mexico doesn't care.

Mexico is a failed culture, so more failures would hardly be noticed.

Wow... Just... Wow.

I have no words for such utter bull**** other than you have an absolutely warped and despicable world view informed by the most nauseating and false sense of superiority.
 
I lived in Monterey for 3 years. Compared to many parts of the country, San Fran is moderate year round. That's just a fact. It doesn't get very cold or very hot. When you try and call someone out, at least know what you're talking about. San Fran is super moderate compared to about anywhere. It was 99 in San Antonio today.

The people who wrote books about San Fran weather being bad are bitches.

Monterey isn't San Francisco, it's about an hour and a half to two hours away.
Like I said, it is not a sunny tropical resort. It's also not a burning desert. And it's not an arctic freeze.
But its weather differs from the rest of the state in specific ways.

I lived in Texas for ten years. Just moved back to El Lay in 2012.
 
Right

But if people do not have a washroom to use, they will go where ever they can, that would mean on the street, or in front of a business.

Now to stop that from occurring what would you do?

Remove them. Don't let them sit around in those areas to even get to that point.
 
Monterey isn't San Francisco, it's about an hour and a half to two hours away.
Like I said, it is not a sunny tropical resort. It's also not a burning desert. And it's not an arctic freeze.
But its weather differs from the rest of the state in specific ways.

I lived in Texas for ten years. Just moved back to El Lay in 2012.

I never said it was a sunny tropical resort. I said it has very moderate weather. You just backed me up in your own comment. That is the definition of moderate.
 
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