Nazification of the good ole USA

[bomberfox]

I'm sick of this weak excuse. Hey, look , people overstay visas so we don't need to worry about the border! No, we need to fix BOTH things. Maybe you need to explain why you support illegal immigration. What do you have against enforcing the law?

Trump isnt fixing both. He shut the government down based solely on the wall. Quite frankly as you show you dont give a damn about others, nobody should care about what you are sick of. You guys had plenty of time to fix this but instead focused on beating the dead horse of Obamacare.

 

[joko104]

ICE is rounding many people up. They are detained, and once detained as a criminal, you cannot simply leave of your free will. Trump and his base have been arguing they are criminals, gang members, animals, etc. This is about you being afraid of them, and wanting them to treated as criminals.

They are criminals generally - plus among them are some particularly rotten parents willing to endanger their children's lives for money.

Who put them there is the Democratic Party, promising them admission to the USA if they get here to encourage them to break our laws. Turns out the Democratic Party lied to them.

If killing immigrant children would gets the Democratic Party one more vote, the only question they'd ask is "how many children can we get away with killing to get that vote?" So far, we only know of a few they outright got killed. Mostly, they are getting young females gang raped to death across days. The Democratic Party seems to get off on murderous, torturous gang rape.

 

[bomberfox]

Only in the cartel dominated areas. As for ridiculous, I suppose that you feel that all residents of Mexico as well as all residents of all Central American nations should get a free pass to pour I to the USA?

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Nobody said that. The world isnt easy, get over it and actually try to improve your knowledge. Every time a trumpist is given an opportunity to improve themselves, they toss it on others. The “msm” excuse, muh librul academia excuse, and the faux underdog play will not save you forever. Get good and quit whining.

 

[Felis Leo]

Trump isnt fixing both. He shut the government down based solely on the wall. Quite frankly as you show you dont give a damn about others, nobody should care about what you are sick of. You guys had plenty of time to fix this but instead focused on beating the dead horse of Obamacare.

bomberfox, if I may, it appears that your raison d'être for being on this board is simply to attack Republicans, conservatives, so-called "trumpists" and the political right in general with ad hominem after ad hominem. That is all well and good, because I am a partisan as well, but simply tarring everyone on the other side of the political aisle with the broad brush of being evil does not automatically make you a good person or your ideas good either. I could just as easily sneer at you for being a member of a community known for gleefully destroying Hilton hotels, and impute that you are just as debauched as your fellow furries and therefore should not be listened to, but I do not and would not do so. Why? First, it would be rude to attack your character when I do not know you or the facts of your life personally, and am simply grasping for bad examples of your particular community and conclude that you must be in line with its worst elements without evidence. Second, even if you were just as debauched as many of the sociopathic Rainfurrest attendees, that does not in any go towards countering your ideas. Saying "you are a bad person and therefore the things you profess to believe must be bad too" demonstrates the greatest lack of intellectual rigor.

So the question is, why are Republican proposals for counteracting illegal immigration wrong, if, indeed, you believe illegal immigration should be stemmed or stopped at all? And if the power of changing the United States' immigration laws and their enforcement was in your hands, what would you do with that power? What do you think should be done about illegal immigration, and why?

 

[veritas1]

Trump isnt fixing both. He shut the government down based solely on the wall. Quite frankly as you show you dont give a damn about others, nobody should care about what you are sick of. You guys had plenty of time to fix this but instead focused on beating the dead horse of Obamacare.

Yea, Obama really fixed it didn't he? How about Bush? Clinton? Nobody has taken this on except Trump and he's hated for it because powerful people have an economic incentive to keep the status quo. Oh, and you can stow your BS about me not caring about others. Liberals are the last people on the planet to talk of such things. When homeless people aren't laying all over CA you can pipe up. Until then, not so much.

 

[veritas1]

bomberfox, if I may, it appears that your raison d'être for being on this board is simply to attack Republicans, conservatives, so-called "trumpists" and the political right in general with ad hominem after ad hominem. That is all well and good, because I am a partisan as well, but simply tarring everyone on the other side of the political aisle with the broad brush of being evil does not automatically make you a good person or your ideas good either. I could just as easily sneer at you for being a member of a community known for gleefully destroying Hilton hotels, and impute that you are just as debauched as your fellow furries and therefore should not be listened to, but I do not and would not do so. Why? First, it would be rude to attack your character when I do not know you or the facts of your life personally, and am simply grasping for bad examples of your particular community and conclude that you must be in line with its worst elements without evidence. Second, even if you were just as debauched as many of the sociopathic Rainfurrest attendees, that does not in any go towards countering your ideas. Saying "you are a bad person and therefore the things you profess to believe must be bad too" demonstrates the greatest lack of intellectual rigor.

So the question is, why are Republican proposals for counteracting illegal immigration wrong, if, indeed, you believe illegal immigration should be stemmed or stopped at all? And if the power of changing the United States' immigration laws and their enforcement was in your hands, what would you do with that power? What do you think should be done about illegal immigration, and why?

Very well put. I wouldn't expect much in return.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Nobody said that. The world isnt easy, get over it and actually try to improve your knowledge. Every time a trumpist is given an opportunity to improve themselves, they toss it on others. The “msm” excuse, muh librul academia excuse, and the faux underdog play will not save you forever. Get good and quit whining.

Nobody had to say it. Virtually the entire left these days appears to support an open border policy that assumes that anyone and everyone who sneaks across our borders is a refugee from violence and oppression. As for whining, I suggest that you take your own advice and stop whining about the results of the 2016 election and move on to the next one.

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[blarg]

It wasn’t the goal in Nazi Germany either until the very end. :roll:

let me know when the genocide of everyone south of the border starts

 

[calamity]

let me know when the genocide of everyone south of the border starts

I repeat; genocide was the final solution. You should already know this.

 

[apdst]

That's the argument of someone who A) has no idea who these people are and B) is so scared of that unknown that he's unwilling to see things from any other viewpoint. I find that sad.

It isn't an unknown. It's obvious how bad things suck in those countries. Yes, I'm afraid of The United States becoming a third world ****hole. Who wouldn't? I plan on standing up and keeping it from happening.

 

[OldFatGuy]

Usually I read through an entire thread before commenting. But this is such a waste of of a thread, I won't read past the first page. The OP should be ashamed for using a word he doesn't understand, and by doing so he or she only belittles his or herself. Frankly, a disgusting waste of time.

 

[Trump]

bomberfox, if I may, it appears that your raison d'être for being on this board is simply to attack Republicans, conservatives, so-called "trumpists" and the political right in general with ad hominem after ad hominem. That is all well and good, because I am a partisan as well, but simply tarring everyone on the other side of the political aisle with the broad brush of being evil does not automatically make you a good person or your ideas good either. I could just as easily sneer at you for being a member of a community known for gleefully destroying Hilton hotels, and impute that you are just as debauched as your fellow furries and therefore should not be listened to, but I do not and would not do so. Why? First, it would be rude to attack your character when I do not know you or the facts of your life personally, and am simply grasping for bad examples of your particular community and conclude that you must be in line with its worst elements without evidence. Second, even if you were just as debauched as many of the sociopathic Rainfurrest attendees, that does not in any go towards countering your ideas. Saying "you are a bad person and therefore the things you profess to believe must be bad too" demonstrates the greatest lack of intellectual rigor.

So the question is, why are Republican proposals for counteracting illegal immigration wrong, if, indeed, you believe illegal immigration should be stemmed or stopped at all? And if the power of changing the United States' immigration laws and their enforcement was in your hands, what would you do with that power? What do you think should be done about illegal immigration, and why?

logic...refreshing

 

[bomberfox]

The bell curve defenders are perfect examples of people who stubbornly refuse to accept they have any faults until it smacks them in the face. When one points out they have an extremely biased source with no actual studies in the field they purport to be knowledgeable about, they squeal about conspiracies and a shadowy cabal that keeps their theories from becoming mainstream! Theres just one problem among many, peer review distributes power horizontally, not vertically in a strict hierarchy so if your **** doesnt pass peer review instead of crying like a baby, maybe you should “man up” and “get good scrub”

 

[bomberfox]

Yea, Obama really fixed it didn't he? How about Bush? Clinton? Nobody has taken this on except Trump and he's hated for it because powerful people have an economic incentive to keep the status quo. Oh, and you can stow your BS about me not caring about others. Liberals are the last people on the planet to talk of such things. When homeless people aren't laying all over CA you can pipe up. Until then, not so much.

You really dont which shows here why you get so triggered when someone asks you to actually empathize with anyone. You expect people to grovel at your feet and treat you fairly but you never do so. You had 2 years to pass a bill to provide funding for this wall and instead did nothing. You cant bring yourself to admit your party wasted the first two years where your party had every opportunity to fund this psychotic obsession with a wall so you whataboutism your way out of it. Cry me a river and grow up.

Trump is one of those rich and powerful people. It was easy for him to claim he didnt need donor money because he was already filthy rich. He didnt actually go through grassroots efforts.

Finally those people actually have an interest in keeping those people illegal because it allows them to skirt minimum wage laws. Where is the effort to police companies that hire workers here illegally?

 

[bomberfox]

bomberfox, if I may, it appears that your raison d'être for being on this board is simply to attack Republicans, conservatives, so-called "trumpists" and the political right in general with ad hominem after ad hominem. That is all well and good, because I am a partisan as well, but simply tarring everyone on the other side of the political aisle with the broad brush of being evil does not automatically make you a good person or your ideas good either. I could just as easily sneer at you for being a member of a community known for gleefully destroying Hilton hotels, and impute that you are just as debauched as your fellow furries and therefore should not be listened to, but I do not and would not do so. Why? First, it would be rude to attack your character when I do not know you or the facts of your life personally, and am simply grasping for bad examples of your particular community and conclude that you must be in line with its worst elements without evidence. Second, even if you were just as debauched as many of the sociopathic Rainfurrest attendees, that does not in any go towards countering your ideas. Saying "you are a bad person and therefore the things you profess to believe must be bad too" demonstrates the greatest lack of intellectual rigor.

So the question is, why are Republican proposals for counteracting illegal immigration wrong, if, indeed, you believe illegal immigration should be stemmed or stopped at all? And if the power of changing the United States' immigration laws and their enforcement was in your hands, what would you do with that power? What do you think should be done about illegal immigration, and why?

Really? Just really? You think trying to shame me for being a furry is actually going to embarrass me? Thats actually funny coming from a trumpist considering his own debauchery.. Honestly im just fed up with the refusal to engage with actual topics and deflections with whataboutery. Ive already tried several times to honestly debate with Trumpists and it is nigh impossible. All the times ive seen Trumpists brag that they picked him to “trigger the libs and make the libs angry” i like to show all those folks just what that is like. Ill be happy to engage with honest folk but you bringing up something totally irrelevant to politics kinda gives me thhe opposite impression.

Lastly ill answer. Streamline the immigration system, fund more immigration courts, punish companies that exploit worker’s illegal status to get around minimum wage laws, stop this idiotic regime change mission in latin america, instead of demonizing these people, actually try to learn why they are fleeing and use international relations to help make people’s lives better around the world instead of fighting to install puppet governments in other countries.

 

[Thoreau72]

then tell your politicians not to do that. I'm all for NOT doing that unless otherwise poses some sort of threat to our security.

a LOT of that was done during the cold war when communism and the soviet union were big threats. it may have been overreacting but hindsight is 20/20.

Extremely naïve statement there.

When was the last time politicians did what the people communicated? Pretty much never.

When was the last time politicians did what the lobbyists of their corporate donors asked? Pretty much every single day.

Get real.

 

[bomberfox]

The story you posted contains some truths and a lot of falsehoods Felis but that is a topic for another day.

 

[bomberfox]

Nobody had to say it. Virtually the entire left these days appears to support an open border policy that assumes that anyone and everyone who sneaks across our borders is a refugee from violence and oppression. As for whining, I suggest that you take your own advice and stop whining about the results of the 2016 election and move on to the next one.

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Except we have actual real evidence these people are refugees. Why would i whine about someone losing that i didnt vote for?... i didnt even bring up Hillary.

 

[Crystal]

Except we have actual real evidence these people are refugees. Why would i whine about someone losing that i didnt vote for?... i didnt even bring up Hillary.

If they were true refugees they would have found refugee status in Mexico but nice try!

 

[bomberfox]

If they were true refugees they would have found refugee status in Mexico but nice try!

Still wrongo. They have the right to come in and surrender to authorities. There was no invasion.

 

[SmartCat]

No it hasnt which is why it is not taught. I understand righties are viciously anti intellectual, anyone honest enough about Charles Murray knows he wrote that book with ideological opposition to welfare as his goal. Academic expertise is not ideology. Just stop. Expecting someone to have expertise in the field not funded by an organization that has explicit goals of bringing back the roundly discredited pseudoscience of eugenics. You are indeed an ideologue and it shows by your unwillingness to consider Murray’s credentials versus others who have devoted their lives to the subject he so glibly lies about. You have no evidence for this supposed widespread acceptance.

The failure of Head Start and No Child Left Behind provides impressive public evidence of the validity of The Bell Curve.

No method has been developed that significantly and permanently increases IQ scores. Academic performance can only be improved if the student is an under achiever who has already tested well on IQ tests.

If the assertions in The Bell Curve are mistaken, those who dislike those assertions would quietly explain what they are. Instead, they try to suppress debates they know they will lose.

In September 1971 the Atlantic published an article by Richard Herrnstein entitled "IQ." In this article Professor Herrnstein anticipated many of the arguments he was later to elaborate on in The Bell Curve, which he was to write with Charles Murray.

The new left organization the Students for a Democratic Society held a convention at Harvard the following spring with the expressed purpose of getting Professor Hernstein of Harvard and Professor Arthur Jensen of Berkeley fired. Professor Jensen had early written an article that appeared in the Harvard Educational Review in which he claimed that little could be done to improves mental aptitude test scores and academic performance. Subsequent developments have proven his thesis.

SDS soon collapsed because of esoteric doctrinal disputes. Professors Herrnstein and Jensen kept their teaching positions. Unfortunately, from then on many on the left have continued to suppress a candid, dispassionate discussion of well substantiated assertions that have important political implications.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Except we have actual real evidence these people are refugees. Why would i whine about someone losing that i didnt vote for?... i didnt even bring up Hillary.

Your form of whining is using names for Trump supporters, such as "trumpests". When you stop that, then I will accept that you are not chronically butthurt over the results of the 2016. And it is utter nonsense to assume that the majority of those so called migrants are refugees.

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[Crystal]

Still wrongo. They have the right to come in and surrender to authorities. There was no invasion.

They weren’t seeking refugee status. If they were in dire straights they would have sought it in Mexico and saved the 2000 mile journey to our borders. They are definitely invaders! And the American taxpayer should not be on the hook to provide for them.

 

[blarg]

I repeat; genocide was the final solution. You should already know this.

shouldn't take to liong to get back to it then

 

[Logical1]

Simply put nazification is big overbearing government promoted by democrats.