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Nazification of the good ole USA

Simply put nazification is big overbearing government promoted by democrats.

Jailtime for abortion.

Womb monitoring

Encampments for children

Immigration sweeps which often ensnare citizens.

It looks like you misspelled Trumpublicans.

Oh, wait. I forgot to include fake wars and phony national emergencies.
 
Really? Just really? You think trying to shame me for being a furry is actually going to embarrass me?

Not at all, bomberfox. I am pointing out that people could just use your enthusiasm for being a furry as an attack upon your character, and dismiss any argument you make with the equivalent of saying "whatever, weirdo," which would be wrong. Using shame or simply assuming aspects of their someone's personal character and then attacking them for it without addressing their arguments is fallacious (argumentum ad hominem, to be precise) and intellectually dishonest.

Thats actually funny coming from a trumpist considering his own debauchery..

I did not vote for Donald Trump, bomberfox. But even if I did, that would not make any given position I hold automatically incorrect or any position that you hold automatically correct.

Honestly im just fed up with the refusal to engage with actual topics and deflections with whataboutery. Ive already tried several times to honestly debate with Trumpists and it is nigh impossible.

I understand that, and I often feel the same way except from the opposite political perspective, with too many examples to count. But the one thing that helps me keep my calm is understanding that most people on the internet are not complete sociopaths, and actually believe they are correct and their beliefs are good and just. It is why I do my best not to treat my interlocutors with contempt.

All the times ive seen Trumpists brag that they picked him to “trigger the libs and make the libs angry” i like to show all those folks just what that is like. Ill be happy to engage with honest folk but you bringing up something totally irrelevant to politics kinda gives me thhe opposite impression.

I am using something that is clearly near and dear to you to illustrate a point. You are an open furry, and there is nothing wrong with that. But you nonetheless understand that many people on the political right, left and center find the fandom off-putting at best and worthy of hatred, scorn and obloquy at worst. And there are some creeps who take their furry enthusiasm way too far and end up hurting other people with it and making others miserable with their acts of extreme exhibitionism. It would be wrong to attack you and your character for the acts of other furries without evidence that you yourself engaged in those activities or supported others engaging in those activities; in the same way that it is wrong to attack some Muslims for the wicked acts of entirely different Muslims without any evidence that they engaged in similar activities or supported those activities. I do not get to use your identity or your voting record as a means with which to automatically dismiss your arguments.

Lastly ill answer. Streamline the immigration system, fund more immigration courts, punish companies that exploit worker’s illegal status to get around minimum wage laws, stop this idiotic regime change mission in latin america, instead of demonizing these people, actually try to learn why they are fleeing and use international relations to help make people’s lives better around the world instead of fighting to install puppet governments in other countries.

I agree with literally all of your points, with one exception, and would add one thing. As to what I would add, I want strong border security to stop people from illegally entering our country, including guarded and patrolled barriers. As to the point of disagreement the so-called "regime change mission" has been over for decades. While we exert massive economic influence in South and Central America, the era of installing fascist dictators of Banana Republics has not been in effect for nearly three decades now (really since the collapse of the Soviet Union). That is not to excuse the cruelties of the past, but let us look at the present with a clear eye.
 
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The failure of Head Start and No Child Left Behind provides impressive public evidence of the validity of The Bell Curve.

No method has been developed that significantly and permanently increases IQ scores. Academic performance can only be improved if the student is an under achiever who has already tested well on IQ tests.

If the assertions in The Bell Curve are mistaken, those who dislike those assertions would quietly explain what they are. Instead, they try to suppress debates they know they will lose.

In September 1971 the Atlantic published an article by Richard Herrnstein entitled "IQ." In this article Professor Herrnstein anticipated many of the arguments he was later to elaborate on in The Bell Curve, which he was to write with Charles Murray.

The new left organization the Students for a Democratic Society held a convention at Harvard the following spring with the expressed purpose of getting Professor Hernstein of Harvard and Professor Arthur Jensen of Berkeley fired. Professor Jensen had early written an article that appeared in the Harvard Educational Review in which he claimed that little could be done to improves mental aptitude test scores and academic performance. Subsequent developments have proven his thesis.

SDS soon collapsed because of esoteric doctrinal disputes. Professors Herrnstein and Jensen kept their teaching positions. Unfortunately, from then on many on the left have continued to suppress a candid, dispassionate discussion of well substantiated assertions that have important political implications.

Onoes however shall they live?! And not really once you understand the workings of no child left behind. Again eugenics organization funded propaganda by someone with no actual expertise on the subject is all i need to know to simply dismiss it. Charles Murray is not a dispassionate scholar.
 
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Not at all, bomberfox. I am pointing out that people could just use your enthusiasm for being a furry as an attack upon your character, and dismiss any argument you make with the equivalent of saying "whatever, weirdo," which would be wrong. Using shame or simply assuming aspects of their someone's personal character and then attacking them for it without addressing their arguments is fallacious (argumentum ad hominem, to be precise) and intellectually dishonest.



I did not vote for Donald Trump, bomberfox. But even if I did, that would not make any given position I hold automatically incorrect or any position that you hold automatically correct.



I understand that, and I often feel the same way except from the opposite political perspective, with too many examples to count. But the one thing that helps me keep my calm is understanding that most people on the internet are not complete sociopaths, and actually believe they are correct and their beliefs are good and just. It is why I do my best not to treat my interlocutors with contempt.



I am using something that is clearly near and dear to you to illustrate a point. You are an open furry, and there is nothing wrong with that. But you nonetheless understand that many people on the political right, left and center find the fandom off-putting at best and worthy of hatred, scorn and obloquy at worst. And there are some creeps who take their furry enthusiasm way too far and end up hurting other people with it and making others miserable with their acts of extreme exhibitionism. It would be wrong to attack you and your character for the acts of other furries without evidence that you yourself engaged in those activities or supported others engaging in those activities; in the same way that it is wrong to attack some Muslims for the wicked acts of entirely different Muslims without any evidence that they engaged in similar activities or supported those activities. I do not get to use your identity or your voting record as a means with which to automatically dismiss your arguments.



I agree with literally all of your points, with one exception, and would add one thing. As to what I would add, I want strong border security to stop people from illegally entering our country, including guarded and patrolled barriers. As to the point of disagreement the so-called "regime change mission" has been over for decades. While we exert massive economic influence in South and Central America, the era of installing fascist dictators of Banana Republics has not been in effect for nearly three decades now (really since the collapse of the Soviet Union). That is not to excuse the cruelties of the past, but let us look at the present with a clear eye.

Do you think i treat too many people here with contempt that dont deserve it? Yeah you are right your post is appreciated

Now that you mention it, those examples give me something to consider as i know many who try to be aware that a lot of other people are around the con outside of the fandom but diff topic.

Lots of democratic voters i talk to share similar ideas to what i posted and guarded and patrolled checkpoints with barriers i can see possibly agreeing on depending on effectiveness, though i dont think it will solve the majority of the problem as most people here illegally are not flooding in through the border, but people overstaying their visas. I dont have all the information on current regimes but we still have the same mindset that installed those dictators running in high levels of government.

We can find compromise thanks.
 
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Onoes however shall they live?! And not really once you understand the workings of no child left behind. Again eugenics organization funded propaganda by someone with no actual expertise on the subject is all i need to know to simply dismiss it. Charles Murray is not a dispassionate scholar.


Also Murray could submit his book to you know... peer review.... but he wont. Looking at information behind a source is a totally valid method of discerning information.
 
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Onoes however shall they live?! And not really once you understand the workings of no child left behind. Again eugenics organization funded propaganda by someone with no actual expertise on the subject is all i need to know to simply dismiss it. Charles Murray is not a dispassionate scholar.

On matters involving human beings few scholars are dispassionate. We should ignore their motives, and examine their findings.

The Bell Curve makes assertions that have always been obvious. It was only after revelations of the Holocaust that it became fashionable to lie about this matter, and to force others to lie. As the Nazi Era fades from living memory it is again becoming safe to identify alleles for intelligence and crime, and to point out that these alleles are more frequently found in some races than in other races.
 
Also Murray could submit his book to you know... peer review.... but he wont.


As long as the discussion is coerced peer reviews are not reliable.

It needs to become perfectly safe for scientists, professors, and graduate students to agree with Charles Murray completely, loudly and publicly without in any way damaging their careers.
 
There is an important - dare I say? - a critical differences between the German Jews and the Latin Americans who try to come to the United States illegally. The German Jews were Ashkenazi Jews. These have an average IQ of about 112 - 115, depending who is measuring. This makes them useful to every country they live in. Civilizations require intelligent people to be in charge. The Latin Americans who try to come to the United States illegally have IQ averages below 90. This limits their usefulness. Computers and industrial robots are eliminating the jobs those people are capable of learning.

Another difference of course is that the Ashkenazi Jews had been in Germany for over a thousand years. When Charlemagne established the Holy Roman Empire around 800 AD he asked Italian Jews to move to Germany to administer it for him. Jews were chosen because they could read, write, and perform arithmetic with Roman numbers. These were rare skills at the the time. The Ashkenazi Jews got their name because "Ashkenaz" is Hebrew for German. This is why Yiddish is a combination of Hebrew and German, rather than Hebrew and another language.

The Ashkenazi Jews Hitler tried to exterminate were just as German as he was. During the First World War German Jews served in the German military in numbers proportional to their numbers in the German population. They suffered casualties that were proportional to their numbers in the German population. Ann Frank's father was a lieutenant on the Western Front during the First World War II.

Third World people's escape the dysfunctions of the societies third world people's create in their own countries and move to the United States and Europe. At best we do not need them. At worst they raise our crime rates, commit acts of terrorism and burden our welfare and criminal justice systems.

This is a problem that is going to get worse. Third world people's have high birth rates. In the past they had high death rates that controlled their populations. Now Western medicine and food aid are reducing their birth rates, while they still have vast numbers of children. The third world is an area of vast and growing misery. Do we really want to be the third world's social worker? Can we be the third world's social worker?

I can't take your racist myths of IQ seriously nor your arguments that Latin people are worthless to America, and less value to America than Jews were to Germany
 
One smiles for photographs. Depending on the time period they many have already been on starvation rations and forced labor.

Many of them don't have teeth and look very thin. They lived in horrible conditions in the Warsaw Ghetto, and Nazis made propaganda films trying to convince the German people that Jews were happy and better off there.
 
Facts bother you... Don't they?

This is worse than the Japanese Internment camps. And Americans didn't debate shooting the Japanese, nor do they separate families and remove children like they do now. Yes, I am 100% certain this is going to look bad historically and Trump and his supporters will look worse than all other Americans.
 
This is worse than the Japanese Internment camps. And Americans didn't debate shooting the Japanese, nor do they separate families and remove children like they do now. Yes, I am 100% certain this is going to look bad historically and Trump and his supporters will look worse than all other Americans.


Why? Did we invite them up here so we could put them in “internment camps”?
 
"Beto" certainly does as do those who support "sanctuary" cities/states or amnesty with a "path to citizenship" for those who entered or remained in the US without legal permission to do so.

So you're arguing that a pathway to citizenship is the same as letting everybody and anybody enter the country without documents and stay? You're equating two different issues. I don't anybody who supports the later. I don't know anybody who is against protecting the boarder, and against enforcing immigration laws. Like I said, I am convinced the entire Open Boarders meme is just a BS right wing scare tactic.
 
These caravans didn't spontaneously assemble on their own. Everyone knows this. They take money and they take planning.
Put the wall up and properly man it and the problem will be all but stopped. The people who want it to continue know this and that's why they so vigorously oppose it.

So you think Soros is organizing and funding them?

These caravans form by people joining in groups, and walking. It's as simple as that. They are sleeping, camping, and walking together, and in dangerous conditions, often risking death. It's not like they are staying in luxury hotels or getting Ubers
 
As long as the discussion is coerced peer reviews are not reliable.

It needs to become perfectly safe for scientists, professors, and graduate students to agree with Charles Murray completely, loudly and publicly without in any way damaging their careers.

The discussion is not coerced. Murray makes a **** ton of money selling his propaganda. He is not silenced. He just needs to ***ing submit it but i know he wont because he is scared of peer review. Sorry that isnt an excuse. Lastly if you spew false propaganda and have a high position in a scientific field, your credentials deserve to be removed. Just like a doctor who tries to push quackery for money deserves to have their credentials revoked. This is how science has worked for decades at least. Cry me a river.
 
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I can't take your racist myths of IQ seriously nor your arguments that Latin people are worthless to America, and less value to America than Jews were to Germany

“Racial science” has always been a post hoc rationalization the ruling elites justify establishing brutal hierarchies. It kinda blew even my mind when i first found this out.
 
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This is worse than the Japanese Internment camps. And Americans didn't debate shooting the Japanese, nor do they separate families and remove children like they do now. Yes, I am 100% certain this is going to look bad historically and Trump and his supporters will look worse than all other Americans.

Did you cry like this when President Obama caged children at the border?

And you compare this to Manzinar or other Japanese camps? REALLY? The Japanese were rounded up at gunpoint. The Japanese broke no laws. The Japanese were forced to surrender homes and businesses. They were moved away from warm climes and deposited in cold snowy areas with only the clothes they could carry....

Yeah, just the same.

And we idolize FDR.
 
Many of them don't have teeth and look very thin. They lived in horrible conditions in the Warsaw Ghetto, and Nazis made propaganda films trying to convince the German people that Jews were happy and better off there.

Yes. And?

Your point?

Equating temporary housing with concentration camps is asinine.
 
Yes. And?

Your point?

Equating temporary housing with concentration camps is asinine.

It was just "temporary housing" back then too. Why do you think they needed a final solution?


I cannot believe that I have to explain this.
 
I can't take your racist myths of IQ seriously nor your arguments that Latin people are worthless to America, and less value to America than Jews were to Germany

It's good to see them outing themselves though.
 
Intentional ignorance noted.

Equating temporary housing with concentration camps is asinine.

Maybe you should read about how the holocaust began. It would be highly educational.
 
I can't take your racist myths of IQ seriously nor your arguments that Latin people are worthless to America, and less value to America than Jews were to Germany

During the century since the beginning of IQ testing the tests have provided reliable predictions of academic and economic success, as well as other desirable consequences in live. Slowly, because of intellectual persecution, alleles for intelligence are being discovered.
 
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