Nationl Debt Tops $22 Trillion

[Conservative]

So, auto unions are not the private sector? Who do you think auto workers are employed by? Moreover, it doesn't matter to the grocer whether a teacher, paid by the school district, buys a can of beans or whether an auto worker, paid by an auto manufacturer, buys a can of beans. Spending is spending.

Moreover, while you attack others for not knowing {insert item here} it is you who doesn't know that most of federal spending goes to the private sector. Only 3% of spending is to federal employees. Thus, when government spends money to buy paper for the Mueller report, a paper company; the delivery people; lumberjacks; employees at the mill, etc., earn that money and now have income to spend and further stimulate the economy.

Only in that liberal world of yours is it the federal government responsibility to bail out unions and pay for teacher salaries! I cannot believe how poorly informed you are as to the role of the federal, State, and local governments

Apparently those roles change depending who is in the White House and what the issue is.



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[Conservative]

So, auto unions are not the private sector? Who do you think auto workers are employed by? Moreover, it doesn't matter to the grocer whether a teacher, paid by the school district, buys a can of beans or whether an auto worker, paid by an auto manufacturer, buys a can of beans. Spending is spending.

Moreover, while you attack others for not knowing {insert item here} it is you who doesn't know that most of federal spending goes to the private sector. Only 3% of spending is to federal employees. Thus, when government spends money to buy paper for the Mueller report, a paper company; the delivery people; lumberjacks; employees at the mill, etc., earn that money and now have income to spend and further stimulate the economy.

Oh by the way thank you for explaining to me what spending the government does in the private sector. Isn't that all in the budget of the United States? Where does the stimulus and supplemental spending bills fit into that budget?

No matter how you want to spin it you are nothing more than a big government, Nanny State promoting liberal

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[Tbird19482]

So, auto unions are not the private sector? Who do you think auto workers are employed by? Moreover, it doesn't matter to the grocer whether a teacher, paid by the school district, buys a can of beans or whether an auto worker, paid by an auto manufacturer, buys a can of beans. Spending is spending.

Moreover, while you attack others for not knowing {insert item here} it is you who doesn't know that most of federal spending goes to the private sector. Only 3% of spending is to federal employees. Thus, when government spends money to buy paper for the Mueller report, a paper company; the delivery people; lumberjacks; employees at the mill, etc., earn that money and now have income to spend and further stimulate the economy.

He has no idea what he is talking about
for one thing the UAW helped the Auto Companies and that is why the UAW now has control of their retirees health care and It was the Auto workers that took pay cuts and gave a lot of things back to the Auto Companies
The UAW bought a lot of stock in GM and Ford to help save the Companies and are now selling it off seeing the Companies have recovered.
The Companies owed the members of the UAW a lot of money and the Union decided to take shares of stock in the Companies to help them and so they could sell that stock later and not put undue stress on the Companies
they figured that if they helped the Companies by taking stock in them they would help them get back into profitability and could sell the stock after that and get the money that GM and Ford owed them
UAW trust to sell all its Ford stock warrants - Business - Autos | NBC News

DETROIT — A trust fund set up by the United Auto Workers union is hoping to raise at least $1.3 billion to help pay retiree health care costs by selling rights to an 11 percent ownership stake in Ford Motor Co.

The trust will auction warrants to buy 362 million shares, which were issued in December 2009, starting at 8 a.m. Tuesday. The automaker and union agreed to set up the trust to help Ford remove retiree health care costs from its books while it was in financial trouble in 2007.
UAW trust sells $1.6 billion worth of GM stock

so If helping to keep GM from going Bankrupt was baling out the UAW then let him think that
as for Ford they didn't take the bail out and it was the UAW that helped keep them afloat, also Ford mortgaged the other car companies they owned like Aston martin / Mazda / Land Rover / Volvo and has since bought some of them back
have a nice day

 

[Dittohead not!]

What is wrong with you, Medicare cuts, SS cuts have absolutely nothing to do with the deficit as these programs are pay as you go and part of the trust fund created by law. This is nothing more than red meat the liberals want to throw to the public to get them stirred up and voting for a bigger and more intrusive Federal gov't. Why aren't you discussing the real cuts on the President's budgets, actual department cuts like the Dept. of State? You haven't looked at the budget but buy what the left tells you

No, not red meat for liberals, but for Trump's followers who think they would like to see SS and Medicare pared back or even ended.

So, what was trump's proposal for the Dept of State budget vs. the actual expenditure last year? How much is Congress actually expected to cut, if at all?

 

[Dittohead not!]

Oh by the way thank you for explaining to me what spending the government does in the private sector. Isn't that all in the budget of the United States? Where does the stimulus and supplemental spending bills fit into that budget?

No matter how you want to spin it you are nothing more than a big government, Nanny State promoting liberal

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I'm sure @MTAtech likes to see you illustrate his points so well for him.

 

[Conservative]

No, not red meat for liberals, but for Trump's followers who think they would like to see SS and Medicare pared back or even ended.

So, what was trump's proposal for the Dept of State budget vs. the actual expenditure last year? How much is Congress actually expected to cut, if at all?

Look up the Trump budget and see what is being cut, stop buying what you are being told and stop posting like a liberal or change your lean

 

[Amelia]

Any word on when rightwingers are going to start objecting to debt again?

 

[Dittohead not!]

Look up the Trump budget and see what is being cut, stop buying what you are being told and stop posting like a liberal or change your lean

Trump can't cut anything. All he can do is propose a budget. The rest is up to Congress.

You know that, and have posted that fact in this thread, yet you keep claiming that Trump is making cuts. Why is that?

What does his proposed budget cut from the State Department? Remember, you're the one who made the claim, so it's up to you to back it up or it goes on the garbage heap.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Any word on when rightwingers are going to start objecting to debt again?

It will happen when a Democrat once again occupies the White House, and not a minute sooner.

 

[Dittohead not!]

delete. I quoted myself instead of clicking edit.

 

[Conservative]

Trump can't cut anything. All he can do is propose a budget. The rest is up to Congress.

You know that, and have posted that fact in this thread, yet you keep claiming that Trump is making cuts. Why is that?

What does his proposed budget cut from the State Department? Remember, you're the one who made the claim, so it's up to you to back it up or it goes on the garbage heap.

I pointed out that that was one of the Department's been cut and there are Bots being cut will you want to ignore that. The entire point is the Trump isn't responsible for the deficit that you claimed he created

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[Dittohead not!]

I pointed out that that was one of the Department's been cut and there are Bots being cut will you want to ignore that. The entire point is the Trump isn't responsible for the deficit that you claimed he created

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Tax cuts are popular.
Spending cuts are not.
Tax cuts without spending cuts create deficits.
A president has to be able to work with Congress if he's to get anything done, including cutting back the size of government.

 

[Conservative]

Tax cuts are popular.
Spending cuts are not.
Tax cuts without spending cuts create deficits.
A president has to be able to work with Congress if he's to get anything done, including cutting back the size of government.

Not necessarily depending on the economic growth and activity but as long as Congress refuses to cut spending I support allowing the American taxpayers to keep more of what they earn. This President is never going to get Democrats to work with him on any issue which is why he is basically going it alone and his economic results are generating positive poll numbers on the economy as the American people are keeping more of their own money, states and local governments have more revenue to use in their states, infrastructure money is being spent, and the Democratic Party is destroying itself by investigating and doing nothing positive

 

[Dittohead not!]

Not necessarily depending on the economic growth and activity but as long as Congress refuses to cut spending I support allowing the American taxpayers to keep more of what they earn. This President is never going to get Democrats to work with him on any issue which is why he is basically going it alone and his economic results are generating positive poll numbers on the economy as the American people are keeping more of their own money, states and local governments have more revenue to use in their states, infrastructure money is being spent, and the Democratic Party is destroying itself by investigating and doing nothing positive

I have to admit you do have a point there. Even Obama, who was able to broker and negotiate international agreements that made the world safer, couldn't get a Republican Congress to do much of anything at all. How a man who has alienated allies and been played by enemies could do so is difficult to imagine.

A good politician can schmooze, can compromise, can broker deals to get done what needs to be done. Childish name calling and a my way or the highway attitude doesn't accomplish anything.

 

[Conservative]

I have to admit you do have a point there. Even Obama, who was able to broker and negotiate international agreements that made the world safer, couldn't get a Republican Congress to do much of anything at all. How a man who has alienated allies and been played by enemies could do so is difficult to imagine.

A good politician can schmooze, can compromise, can broker deals to get done what needs to be done. Childish name calling and a my way or the highway attitude doesn't accomplish anything.

LOL, so what deal did Obama broker that made the world safer? I am really concerned about you and your ability to get non partisan news on the left coast. Seems that all those deals did nothing but make the world unsafe, whether it be the Arab Spring, Iran deal, Russian relationship, relationship with Cuba, pre mature pulling out of American troops in Iraq leading to the growth of ISIS but keep diverting from the thread topic and keep trying to revive the Obama Administration which was a failure fiscally and internationally. Obama believed in his own personality and totally ignored the enemies we face and theirs.

 

[Dittohead not!]

LOL, so what deal did Obama broker that made the world safer? I am really concerned about you and your ability to get non partisan news on the left coast. Seems that all those deals did nothing but make the world unsafe, whether it be the Arab Spring, Iran deal, Russian relationship, relationship with Cuba, pre mature pulling out of American troops in Iraq leading to the growth of ISIS but keep diverting from the thread topic and keep trying to revive the Obama Administration which was a failure fiscally and internationally. Obama believed in his own personality and totally ignored the enemies we face and theirs.

Iran does not have a nuke. Several nations are still in the Iran nuclear deal. This was not an agreement just between the US and Iran, but between Iran and several other nations. Now Trump, the great destroyer of diplomacy, has pulled the US out of the deal, but it still is in force.

Cuba, never a threat to the US, almost got to have sanctions lifted. Americans almost were able to travel there without going to Canada first. Unfortunately, though, elections do have consequences.

 

[Dittohead not!]

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[Conservative]

Iran does not have a nuke. Several nations are still in the Iran nuclear deal. This was not an agreement just between the US and Iran, but between Iran and several other nations. Now Trump, the great destroyer of diplomacy, has pulled the US out of the deal, but it still is in force.

Cuba, never a threat to the US, almost got to have sanctions lifted. Americans almost were able to travel there without going to Canada first. Unfortunately, though, elections do have consequences.

Your opinion noted as is your total denial on just how bad the Iran Deal was and how bad all those other deals were. Great Destroyer of diplomacy as if diplomacy is something that foreign leaders and our enemies understand. the U.S. being the whipping boy is no longer an issue and putting America first truly bothers you and all other liberals. Finally a President who isn't taking crap from the left or foreign leaders used to abusing American taxpayers and American leadership. Reagan was the last U.S. President to stand up to our enemies and foreign leaders and what a great site to see, Trump being Reagan like on foreign and domestic policies but more importantly not being bullied by radicals like the left

 

[Dittohead not!]

Your opinion noted as is your total denial on just how bad the Iran Deal was and how bad all those other deals were. Great Destroyer of diplomacy as if diplomacy is something that foreign leaders and our enemies understand. the U.S. being the whipping boy is no longer an issue and putting America first truly bothers you and all other liberals. Finally a President who isn't taking crap from the left or foreign leaders used to abusing American taxpayers and American leadership. Reagan was the last U.S. President to stand up to our enemies and foreign leaders and what a great site to see, Trump being Reagan like on foreign and domestic policies but more importantly not being bullied by radicals like the left

Trump is the anti Reagan. He lets himself be played by the likes of Kim Jung Un, while alienating our allies. He pulls out of the Iran deal just because it has Obama cooties on it, not because it is flawed. Luckily for us, the deal still stands, just without the leadership of the formerly great USA. Make America Great Again, what a laugh that is. America was great before having been taken in by a conman and fraud. It may be great again, but not before the conman is voted out or terms out of office.

People who call themselves "conservatives" seem to think that anyone not taken in by the great conman is a "liberal," a term for which they have no definition.

 

[Conservative]

Trump is the anti Reagan. He lets himself be played by the likes of Kim Jung Un, while alienating our allies. He pulls out of the Iran deal just because it has Obama cooties on it, not because it is flawed. Luckily for us, the deal still stands, just without the leadership of the formerly great USA. Make America Great Again, what a laugh that is. America was great before having been taken in by a conman and fraud. It may be great again, but not before the conman is voted out or terms out of office.

People who call themselves "conservatives" seem to think that anyone not taken in by the great conman is a "liberal," a term for which they have no definition.

Your hatred has blinded you to reality, no reason to continue this discussion as nothing is going to change your mind and in your world predictions, rumors, speculation trump actual results.

 

[Tbird19482]

Your opinion noted as is your total denial on just how bad the Iran Deal was and how bad all those other deals were. Great Destroyer of diplomacy as if diplomacy is something that foreign leaders and our enemies understand. the U.S. being the whipping boy is no longer an issue and putting America first truly bothers you and all other liberals. Finally a President who isn't taking crap from the left or foreign leaders used to abusing American taxpayers and American leadership. Reagan was the last U.S. President to stand up to our enemies and foreign leaders and what a great site to see, Trump being Reagan like on foreign and domestic policies but more importantly not being bullied by radicals like the left

as if diplomacy is something that foreign leaders and our enemies understand.
you mean like North Korea?
I thought Trump said he has a deal " understanding " that they were going to dismantle their Nuclar program. what you say Obama did with Iran is better then what Trump has done with North Korea
at least Obama got it all down on paper and had OTHER countries involved
All trump has done is say I believe them more then I believe our own Intelligence community
and that should worry all of us.
Have a nice evening

 

[Dittohead not!]

Your hatred has blinded you to reality, no reason to continue this discussion as nothing is going to change your mind and in your world predictions, rumors, speculation trump actual results.

Facts could change my mind, but those seem to be in short supply

 

[Conservative]

Facts could change my mind, but those seem to be in short supply

How about the fact that the deficit and debt have grown with or without tax cuts? When was the last budget submitted that proposed actual cuts? What assurance is there that tax increases will lead to lower spending and addressing the debt?

 

[Dittohead not!]

1 How about the fact that the deficit and debt have grown with or without tax cuts? 2 When was the last budget submitted that proposed actual cuts? 3 What assurance is there that tax increases will lead to lower spending and addressing the debt?

1 The other fact is that the deficit increased dramatically when tax cuts were passed.
2. Somewhere around the time of the Woolly Mammoth, I think, certainly not since then.
3. There is, of course, no such assurance. The only assurance is that the government will collect almost enough money to cover its spending.

 

[Conservative]

1 The other fact is that the deficit increased dramatically when tax cuts were passed.
2. Somewhere around the time of the Woolly Mammoth, I think, certainly not since then.
3. There is, of course, no such assurance. The only assurance is that the government will collect almost enough money to cover its spending.

Hardly true, but 7 interest rate hikes certainly affected the deficits

Interesting how it is acknowledged that Congress is going to continue to spend money so that being the case why would anyone take money away from the taxpayers to send them more money to spend? At least taxpayers are now keeping more of what they earn generating crying ass liberals who want higher taxes and more to spend