Nationl Debt Tops $22 Trillion

[Tbird19482]

What happened with a Democratic Congress in 2009-2010 and a Democratic Senate in 2011 and 2012? Any idea what happened in 2013, SEQUESTER, how about 2014-2015-2016?? Republican Congress. Look you can try to rewrite history but you cannot change it.

What exactly did Obama do to lower the deficits in the years you want to tout? You are nothing more than a partisan liberal who makes things up as you go along to suit your ideology. What is it about liberals that create this kind of loyalty and total ignorance of data and policies?

Thank you for showing us again that you have no idea of how you have to get out of a Recession that was as bad as the one BUSH left Obama
The Economists say you either have to have a war like WWII ( spend the money on the war ) or spend your way out of it
so in the Years you talk about Obama was spending our way out of it and not getting thousands of our servicemen killed.
and the Congress was NOT completely controlled
in by the Republicans till 2016
the debt went up in 2010 / 11/ 12 because of the recession and in 2013 when the DEMS still had control of the Sen. the debt went down same in 2014 and 2015
and the Control of Congress went back to the Republicans the debt started going back up

09th 2005-2007 100 44 55 1 - 435 202 231 1 1
110th 2007-2009 100 49 49 2 - 435 233 198 - 4
111th 2009-2011 100 57 41 2 2 435 256 178 - 1
112th 2011-2013 100 51 47 2 — 435 193 242 - -
113th 2013-2015 100 54 45 1 — 435 201 234 — -
114th 2015–2017 100 44 54 2 — 435 188 246 — 1

that is the Congress number the years they were in office the Number of total reps. the number of Dems then the number of Republicans then the number of Reps in the House then the number of Dems then the number of Repub.
as you can see the Republicans took over control in 2015
so when you want to give credit to the Republicans for the 2014 / 2015 years it wasn't the Republicans but the Dems and republicans combined
have a nice day

 

[Conservative]

Thank you for showing us again that you have no idea of how you have to get out of a Recession that was as bad as the one BUSH left Obama
The Economists say you either have to have a war like WWII ( spend the money on the war ) or spend your way out of it
so in the Years you talk about Obama was spending our way out of it and not getting thousands of our servicemen killed.
and the Congress was NOT completely controlled
in by the Republicans till 2016
the debt went up in 2010 / 11/ 12 because of the recession and in 2013 when the DEMS still had control of the Sen. the debt went down same in 2014 and 2015
and the Control of Congress went back to the Republicans the debt started going back up

09th 2005-2007 100 44 55 1 - 435 202 231 1 1
110th 2007-2009 100 49 49 2 - 435 233 198 - 4
111th 2009-2011 100 57 41 2 2 435 256 178 - 1
112th 2011-2013 100 51 47 2 — 435 193 242 - -
113th 2013-2015 100 54 45 1 — 435 201 234 — -
114th 2015–2017 100 44 54 2 — 435 188 246 — 1

that is the Congress number the years they were in office the Number of total reps. the number of Dems then the number of Republicans then the number of Reps in the House then the number of Dems then the number of Repub.
as you can see the Republicans took over control in 2015
so when you want to give credit to the Republicans for the 2014 / 2015 years it wasn't the Republicans but the Dems and republicans combined
have a nice day

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What Obama economic policies brought us out of recession? Amazing how it was the Democrats and Republicans combined in 2014-15 but Bush alone that created the recession. The Democratic Congress did exactly what?

 

[Tbird19482]

Re: National Debt Tops $22 Trillion

LOL, so tell me how many Blue state representatives voted against the mandates and support to red states? You are simply too partisan for words along with being very poorly informed. How do you know that state are getting back more than required for the federal mandates? Do you know what the mandates are and if not why don't you find out? All are for specific purposes and go directly to benefits of individuals, there is nothing left over to return to the gov't.

You want the mandates lifted, see how much support you get from the Democrats in Congress who now control the House where that legislation can begin

what are you talking about?
I never said they voted against anything
I said many times and I have posted places where IF you would bother to read what people post you would have known that there is money left over and that money is sent back to the states on an unequal basis
FACT is the Red states get back a lot more then they pay in and most Blue states get less back

Which States Are Givers and Which Are Takers? - The Atlantic

What the resulting map shows is that the most “dependent states,” as measured by the composite score, are Mississippi and New Mexico, each of which gets back about $3 in federal spending for every dollar they send to the federal treasury in taxes. Alabama and Louisiana are close behind.
If you look only at the first measure—how much the federal government spends per person in each state compared with the amount its citizens pay in federal income taxes—other states stand out, particularly South Carolina: The Palmetto State receives $7.87 back from Washington for every $1 its citizens pay in federal tax.
On the other side of this group, folks in 14 states, including Delaware, Minnesota, Illinois, Nebraska, and Ohio, get back less than $1 for each $1 they spend in taxes.

It’s not just that some states are getting way more in return for their federal tax dollars, but the disproportionate amount of federal aid that some states receive allows them to keep their own taxes artificially low. That's the argument

The reddest states on that map at the top—Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, New Mexico, Maine—have exceptionally high poverty rates and thus receive disproportionately large shares of federal dollars. Through a variety of social programs, the federal government disburses hundreds of billions of dollars each year to maintain a “safety net” intended to help the neediest among us. Consider, for example, the percentage of each state’s residents who get “food stamps” through the federal government’s SNAP program.

and IF they did away with these Federal mandated programs like you want do you think these states would keep running them on State taxes?
Probably not and the states that do would be having more people move there because they have these programs
that is why I say iF they did away with these programs and some states keep them they need residency laws so that they don't get flooded with these people and have a cap on how many years you can stay on these programs
Have a nice day

 

[Tbird19482]

Re: National Debt Tops $22 Trillion

what are you talking about?
I never said they voted against anything
I said many times and I have posted places where IF you would bother to read what people post you would have known that there is money left over and that money is sent back to the states on an unequal basis
FACT is the Red states get back a lot more then they pay in and most Blue states get less back

Which States Are Givers and Which Are Takers? - The Atlantic

What the resulting map shows is that the most “dependent states,” as measured by the composite score, are Mississippi and New Mexico, each of which gets back about $3 in federal spending for every dollar they send to the federal treasury in taxes. Alabama and Louisiana are close behind.
If you look only at the first measure—how much the federal government spends per person in each state compared with the amount its citizens pay in federal income taxes—other states stand out, particularly South Carolina: The Palmetto State receives $7.87 back from Washington for every $1 its citizens pay in federal tax.
On the other side of this group, folks in 14 states, including Delaware, Minnesota, Illinois, Nebraska, and Ohio, get back less than $1 for each $1 they spend in taxes.

It’s not just that some states are getting way more in return for their federal tax dollars, but the disproportionate amount of federal aid that some states receive allows them to keep their own taxes artificially low. That's the argument

The reddest states on that map at the top—Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, New Mexico, Maine—have exceptionally high poverty rates and thus receive disproportionately large shares of federal dollars. Through a variety of social programs, the federal government disburses hundreds of billions of dollars each year to maintain a “safety net” intended to help the neediest among us. Consider, for example, the percentage of each state’s residents who get “food stamps” through the federal government’s SNAP program.

and IF they did away with these Federal mandated programs like you want do you think these states would keep running them on State taxes?
Probably not and the states that do would be having more people move there because they have these programs
that is why I say iF they did away with these programs and some states keep them they need residency laws so that they don't get flooded with these people and have a cap on how many years you can stay on these programs
Have a nice day

what is the matter?
can't reply because you don't know what you are talking about?
YOU want these mandated programs eliminated and states take them over without any Federal funding
as I said I would like to see that happen and see just how people react, the states that don't fund these programs and stop them will see people running out of there states and going to states that keep these programs.
and I hope the states that do keep them put regulations on having to live in that state for so long ( a year or two ) before you can get on these programs and have a limit on just how long you can stay on those programs
have a nice night

 

[Dittohead not!]

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What Obama economic policies brought us out of recession? Amazing how it was the Democrats and Republicans combined in 2014-15 but Bush alone that created the recession. The Democratic Congress did exactly what?

The economic policies that brought us out of the recession were a combination of those of Bush, who signed TARP into law, Obama, who supported the combination of domestic spending and tax cuts that is known as the stimulus, the FED, that lowered interest rates, and past leaders who passed such laws as unemployment insurance and FICA. It was that combination that saved the country from a repeat of the 1930s.


What got us into the recession was a failure to adequately regulate the mortgage industry, causing a whole row of dominoes to fall, starting with the housing industry.


So, how are you going to make that some sort of partisan liberal vs. conservative issue?

 

[Conservative]

The economic policies that brought us out of the recession were a combination of those of Bush, who signed TARP into law, Obama, who supported the combination of domestic spending and tax cuts that is known as the stimulus, the FED, that lowered interest rates, and past leaders who passed such laws as unemployment insurance and FICA. It was that combination that saved the country from a repeat of the 1930s.


What got us into the recession was a failure to adequately regulate the mortgage industry, causing a whole row of dominoes to fall, starting with the housing industry.


So, how are you going to make that some sort of partisan liberal vs. conservative issue?

Interesting, so we came out of recession in June 2009, what Obama policies were in place and money spent?

What Ended the Great Recession?



What domestic spending, bailing out Democratic support groups?

 

[Dittohead not!]

Interesting, so we came out of recession in June 2009, what Obama policies were in place and money spent?

What Ended the Great Recession?



What domestic spending, bailing out Democratic support groups?

We started out of the recession about then.

 

[Conservative]

We started out of the recession about then.

No thanks to Obama and the Democrats

 

[Dittohead not!]

No thanks to Obama and the Democrats

So, how are you going to make that some sort of partisan liberal vs. conservative issue?

Congratulations. Your hyper partisanship has been shown to be complete.

 

[Conservative]

Congratulations. Your hyper partisanship has been shown to be complete.

As is your in ability to research and understand data. How do you add 9.3 trillion dollars to the debt, the worst recovery from a major recession in US history and call that a successful Administration?

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[Jetboogieman]

As is your in ability to research and understand data. How do you add 9.3 trillion dollars to the debt, the worst recovery from a major recession in US history and call that a successful Administration?

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Translation: I only care and raise a stink about the debt when it's a Democrat.

When it's a Republican, debt doesn't matter, ever, ever, ever.

Debt is only an issue with it's convenient for me to say it is.

 

[Conservative]

Translation: I only care and raise a stink about the debt when it's a Democrat.

When it's a Republican, debt doesn't matter, ever, ever, ever.

Debt is only an issue with it's convenient for me to say it is.

You cut and paste the same statement on every thread you post into. That is an absolutely lie and as usual you ignore the context of the deficits and debt added by Trump because your ideology won't allow you to admit you are wrong. You like far too many others totally ignore state and local responsibilities along with the revenue being generated in the states as you continue to promote that massive central gov't and spending in the name of compassion that just creates debt, dependence.

 

[Dittohead not!]

As is your in ability to research and understand data. How do you add 9.3 trillion dollars to the debt, the worst recovery from a major recession in US history and call that a successful Administration?

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I don't know, that's a tough one. How do you continue to add trillion dollar plus deficits to the national debt after the recession is over and call that a conservative administration?

 

[Tbird19482]

Translation: I only care and raise a stink about the debt when it's a Democrat.

When it's a Republican, debt doesn't matter, ever, ever, ever.

Debt is only an issue with it's convenient for me to say it is.

He keeps saying it was 9.3 T
when it was 8,324,380,851,734.09
He keeps using a starting point of 1/20/2009 for Obama when Obama did not take over the Budget and the debt till 10/01/2009
he uses the date when a President takes office when it is convent for him and the Fiscal year date when it is convent to him
The Constitution says the incoming President doesn't take over the budget ( debt ) till Oct 1 of his incoming year.
On Oct 1 of 2009 it was 11,920,519,164,319.42 and on Sept 29 of 2017 it was 20,244,900,016,053.51 ( closest date to Oct 1 2017 I could fimd using the US treasury website ) and that totals up to Obama running the debt up 8,324,380,851,734.09 NOT the 9.3 he keeps saying.
He has to realize the fact the Fiscal year doesn't start till Oct 1 of the year a President takes office and that is when he takes over the Budget and the debt NOT the day he takes office
Have a nice day

 

[Conservative]

I don't know, that's a tough one. How do you continue to add trillion dollar plus deficits to the national debt after the recession is over and call that a conservative administration?

Don't know, haven't seen a trillion dollar deficit since the recession ended. You buy PROJECTIONS, I buy actual results. Trump's first deficit was in 2018, why so little patience and so much ignorance of what he has proposed in the way of cuts? Name for me any other President that proposed ACTUAL DEPARTMENT cuts?

 

[Conservative]

He keeps saying it was 9.3 T
when it was 8,324,380,851,734.09
He keeps using a starting point of 1/20/2009 for Obama when Obama did not take over the Budget and the debt till 10/01/2009
he uses the date when a President takes office when it is convent for him and the Fiscal year date when it is convent to him
The Constitution says the incoming President doesn't take over the budget ( debt ) till Oct 1 of his incoming year.
On Oct 1 of 2009 it was 11,920,519,164,319.42 and on Sept 29 of 2017 it was 20,244,900,016,053.51 ( closest date to Oct 1 2017 I could fimd using the US treasury website ) and that totals up to Obama running the debt up 8,324,380,851,734.09 NOT the 9.3 he keeps saying.
He has to realize the fact the Fiscal year doesn't start till Oct 1 of the year a President takes office and that is when he takes over the Budget and the debt NOT the day he takes office
Have a nice day

Keep ignoring that Bush didn't have spending authority in 2009, signed some appropriation bills but you applied the expense but no revenue. He spent 300 billion of TARP that was repaid but that isn't credited to your claims of his deficits. Obama signed the 2009 budget and spent the rest of the money including more in TARP, Afghanistan Supplemental, AIG take over, GM/Chrysler Take over and the spending of the stimulus money. Seems that you are a partisan liberal who buys what you are told and ignores reality and history

WHAT PART OF THERE WAS NO 2009 BUDGET TO TAKE OVER DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?? OBAMA SIGNED THE 2009 BUDGET IN MARCH 2009

Fiscal year of the U.S. October to September thus fiscal year for 2009 was October 1, 2008 to September 30 2009. Show me the Bush spending during that year along with the revenue that paid for that spending leading to the deficit you claim Bush created?

 

[Dittohead not!]

Don't know, haven't seen a trillion dollar deficit since the recession ended. You buy PROJECTIONS, I buy actual results. Trump's first deficit was in 2018, why so little patience and so much ignorance of what he has proposed in the way of cuts? Name for me any other President that proposed ACTUAL DEPARTMENT cuts?

Well, of course you haven't seen a trillion dollar deficit since the recession ended. You haven't seen one since 2016, obviously, because Republican deficits are invisible.

Of course, I'm aware that Trump has proposed cuts to Medicare, but those won't happen and he knows it. He's just playing political games, that's all.

 

[Conservative]

Well, of course you haven't seen a trillion dollar deficit since the recession ended. You haven't seen one since 2016, obviously, because Republican deficits are invisible.

Of course, I'm aware that Trump has proposed cuts to Medicare, but those won't happen and he knows it. He's just playing political games, that's all.

No apparently you aren't aware of any Medicare Cuts because there aren't any. What is being returned to the states are some of the items within Medicare that aren't authorized by the original Medicare Bill and should be state and local responsibilities

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[Conservative]

Well, of course you haven't seen a trillion dollar deficit since the recession ended. You haven't seen one since 2016, obviously, because Republican deficits are invisible.

Of course, I'm aware that Trump has proposed cuts to Medicare, but those won't happen and he knows it. He's just playing political games, that's all.

By the way you're the one that said there were trillion-dollar deficits for Trump now you're telling me that he is cutting Medicare. You are really confused. You're also ignoring the actual Department Cuts proposed by Trump why is that?

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[Tbird19482]

Keep ignoring that Bush didn't have spending authority in 2009, signed some appropriation bills but you applied the expense but no revenue. He spent 300 billion of TARP that was repaid but that isn't credited to your claims of his deficits. Obama signed the 2009 budget and spent the rest of the money including more in TARP, Afghanistan Supplemental, AIG take over, GM/Chrysler Take over and the spending of the stimulus money. Seems that you are a partisan liberal who buys what you are told and ignores reality and history

WHAT PART OF THERE WAS NO 2009 BUDGET TO TAKE OVER DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?? OBAMA SIGNED THE 2009 BUDGET IN MARCH 2009

Fiscal year of the U.S. October to September thus fiscal year for 2009 was October 1, 2008 to September 30 2009. Show me the Bush spending during that year along with the revenue that paid for that spending leading to the deficit you claim Bush created?

IT was still Bush's budget and Obama added $253 billion to it
That is it all the rest was in the BUSH budget
Obama's first budget ( Fiscal year ) did nOT start till Oct 1 2009
What don't you get?
have a nice day

 

[Conservative]

IT was still Bush's budget and Obama added $253 billion to it
That is it all the rest was in the BUSH budget
Obama's first budget ( Fiscal year ) did nOT start till Oct 1 2009
What don't you get?
have a nice day

How in the hell can it be Bush's budget when it was rejected by Congress? Have you ever taken a civics class?

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[Tbird19482]

Well, of course you haven't seen a trillion dollar deficit since the recession ended. You haven't seen one since 2016, obviously, because Republican deficits are invisible.

Of course, I'm aware that Trump has proposed cuts to Medicare, but those won't happen and he knows it. He's just playing political games, that's all.

Here are the deficits by year under Obama since 2009



Here is the federal deficit by year for the last decade:
Deficits in billions
2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018
$458 $1,413 $1,294 $1,295 $1,087 $679 $485 $438 $585 $665 $779

Click for deficits from 1960 to present.
Create Custom Government Spending Chart: United States 2014-2024 - Federal State Local Data
as you can see the Deficit has NOT been over 679 under Obama since 2013 and is estamated to be OVER a Trillion dollars in Trumps fiscal year 2019


This year, FY 2019, the federal government in its latest budget has estimated that the deficit will be $1,092 billion.
Most of the deficits that were over a Trillion dollars were spending to get us out of the worst Recession ever So just what is Trumps excuse going to be seeing he keeps telling us that were are in the greatest economy ever.

Over a Trillion dollar deficit in a great economy and under 679 Billion dollar deficits in a slow economy

Trump has already run the debt up MORE in his first Fiscal year then Obama did in 5 out of the 8 years he was in office
and the Republicans aren't saying a word about that
have a nice day

 

[Tbird19482]

How in the hell can it be Bush's budget when it was rejected by Congress? Have you ever taken a civics class?

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Who submitted MOST of that budget?
IT wasn't Obama

 

[Conservative]

Who submitted MOST of that budget?
IT wasn't Obama

You submit a budget, it is approved or rejected! The bush budget was rejected! What you're talkin about is appropriation bills. What you want to do is to charge Bush for all the expense from the appropriation and none of the revenue that was generated to pay for it. I can't believe that you continue to post showing your total ignorance on the budget process

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[Tbird19482]

You submit a budget, it is approved or rejected! The bush budget was rejected! What you're talkin about is appropriation bills. What you want to do is to charge Bush for all the expense from the appropriation and none of the revenue that was generated to pay for it. I can't believe that you continue to post showing your total ignorance on the budget process

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was or was not MOST of that budget submitted by BUSH?
Obama only added 253 Billion to it so don't try and blame all of 2009's debt on Obama
have a nice day