Naked gunman kills four at Waffle House, still on the loose***[W:977]***

[PoliSciXtina]

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I've already said Reinking should have been wasted on the spot. :lamo

You can't argue that that would be a bad thing. When they convict him, I hope he get's the needle. What do you think?

Okay, but I posted why the hero didn't shoot the shooter but you don't care or don't want to know why. All you keep doing is saying "he should have shot him up!!!" As I have stated, he was injured, he threw the gun away, and the shooter fled. Even if there were a perfect scenario in which to shoot the shooter, what if he missed and shot someone else? I don't think anyone can make a fair prediction of what would transpire. The guy tackled the shooter. That's enough for me to call him a hero.


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[TurtleDude]

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And is the US safer then either the UK or Canada when it comes to gun violence? No, so why is that the case?

yet as the number of guns has gone up in the USA crime has gone down-in England, the more they ban the more dangerous it becomes

 

[VanceMack]

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Oh, I think the father is in deep doo over that one. You can't tell the police that you understand why the guns were taken and you won't give them back, and then give them back. And now that those guns have been used in a commission of a crime, an act of mass murder, the father is f'd.

This is an area where I do think there should be more accountability for gun owners. If I have a kid in my home (even an 'adult' kid of 29) that I know is actually dealing with mental impairment, I am securing firearms. I am damn sure not giving them back to him. Im also not giving him keys to a vehicle in drive into a crowd.

 

[PoliSciXtina]

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I read that. Bad parenting in this case had more to do with shooting than any gun laws.

Exercising bad judgement is the cause of most problems. However when a person drives his Maserati at 150/mph and kills someone, we tend not to blame the car.

But cars are not weapons by definition. They can be used to kill, sure. But gun literally has "weapon" in its definition.

Gun : a weapon incorporating a metal tube from which bullets, shells, or other missiles are propelled by explosive force, typically making a characteristic loud, sharp noise.

Car: a road vehicle, typically with four wheels, powered by an internal combustion engine and able to carry a small number of people.

I agree with you that cars can clearly be used to murder. But most often than not, someone will use a gun if their sole purpose and intent is to kill someone. It's a lot easier to kill someone with a gun.


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[jimbo]

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as opposed to the hysterically wrong definition that is pushed by hysterical gun haters? My definition is the military definition.

It was Clinton, not the NRA, who resurrected the WWII German term assault rifle.

I don't remember the NRA ever coining labels for specific types of weapons.

 

[Mason66]

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I read that. Bad parenting in this case had more to do with shooting than any gun laws.

Exercising bad judgement is the cause of most problems. However when a person drives his Maserati at 150/mph and kills someone, we tend not to blame the car.

If the owner of a car willingly lets an unlicensed driver use his car, he is held responsible for what that person does with that car.

That would be a similar situation in this case.

 

[apdst]

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Okay, but I posted why the hero didn't shoot the shooter but you don't care or don't want to know why. All you keep doing is saying "he should have shot him up!!!" As I have stated, he was injured, he threw the gun away, and the shooter fled. Even if there were a perfect scenario in which to shoot the shooter, what if he missed and shot someone else? I don't think anyone can make a fair prediction of what would transpire. The guy tackled the shooter. That's enough for me to call him a hero.


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He threw the gun away? That wasn't a good idea. He could have at least used it as a club and beat Reinking to death with it.

 

[jimbo]

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If the owner of a car willingly lets an unlicensed driver use his car, he is held responsible for what that person does with that car.

That would be a similar situation in this case.

True but we still don't call it a mass carring or a car crime. It's still a crime committed by a person.

The banners attitude is guns kill people, people have nothing to do with it.

 

[apdst]

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If the owner of a car willingly lets an unlicensed driver use his car, he is held responsible for what that person does with that car.

That would be a similar situation in this case.

If Reinking exhibited behavior that made him a threat. He may not have done so. He might not be mentally disturbed. He might just be a mean bastard that wanted to kill someone. He's still on the loose, as far as I know. Any comments about his mental status is conjecture.

 

[PoliSciXtina]

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He threw the gun away? That wasn't a good idea. He could have at least used it as a club and beat Reinking to death with it.

Oh good grief.


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[TurtleDude]

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It was Clinton, not the NRA, who resurrected the WWII German term assault rifle.

I don't remember the NRA ever coining labels for specific types of weapons.

the bannerrhoid movement uses the term assault hoping the low wattage sheeple will think of criminal assault. Military "assault" is whole different thing

 

[vegas giants]

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True but we still don't call it a mass carring or a car crime. It's still a crime committed by a person.

The banners attitude is guns kill people, people have nothing to do with it.

All gun laws apply to people. We don't put guns in jail. Even gun psychos should be able to understand this

 

[PoliSciXtina]

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If Reinking exhibited behavior that made him a threat. He may not have done so. He might not be mentally disturbed. He might just be a mean bastard that wanted to kill someone. He's still on the loose, as far as I know. Any comments about his mental status is conjecture.

"Months before Travis Reinking became the target of a manhunt in Tennessee for a shooting rampage that killed four people, he tried to go to the White House to meet with President Donald Trump.

Reinking, federal officials say, tried to cross a security barrier at the White House complex — an incident that resulted in his arrest and later led to the confiscation of his guns and revocation of his firearms license in his home state of Illinois. But the four weapons would end up back in Reinking’s possession after authorities returned them to his father, officials said."

He was previously arrested and his guns were confiscated. Mentally ill, bad guy, whatever you want to call him doesn't really matter at this point. He shouldn't have been given those guns back from his father.


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[apdst]

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"Months before Travis Reinking became the target of a manhunt in Tennessee for a shooting rampage that killed four people, he tried to go to the White House to meet with President Donald Trump.

Reinking, federal officials say, tried to cross a security barrier at the White House complex — an incident that resulted in his arrest and later led to the confiscation of his guns and revocation of his firearms license in his home state of Illinois. But the four weapons would end up back in Reinking’s possession after authorities returned them to his father, officials said."

He was previously arrested and his guns were confiscated. Mentally ill, bad guy, whatever you want to call him doesn't really matter at this point. He shouldn't have been given those guns back from his father.


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I don't see anything their that says he's mentally disturbed.

In 2009, early in Obama's presidency, a Louisiana man went to The White House because he wanted to show Obama an invention. He went about the wrong way, got seached, had a .22 rifle in his truck, but he wasn't branded a mentally ****ed up nutjob.

 

[apdst]

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Oh good grief.


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Yeah, good grief. Reinking is on the loose.

 

[trixare4kids]

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Aw, come on, trix. You always knew we could get along. I certainly did. We did get off to a bad start, so let's do a restart here, if you don't mind. You'll find that I'm not a partisan. You like my perspective here (so far) because I don't buy the Democratic platform nor the stereotypical liberal position. I hope you'll respect my other opinions, even when you judge them as too liberal, and that you'll also express some opinions of your own that I wouldn't be able to guess by watching right wing media.

Ok, anyway, to the point. I'll just address what I think are the causes of mass violence here and leave the effects for another time. First, as I mentioned, we have to put the gun crap on pause. It's so maddening to watch the two sides spit on each other and go back to their respective corners without accomplishing anything except developing a little more hate for each other. More importantly, every time we, i.e., the overall society, allow the gun lobbies to hijack the larger conversation, we begin the countdown to the next mass murder.

Now, while the gun stuff is on pause, I think we need to engage a national conversation about why the US experiences mass violence exponentially more frequently and with larger impact than other countries. We should convene survivors and victims, law enforcement, medical professionals, politicians, sociologists, and other stakeholders. We should finally and really look deep inside ourselves and ask why we not only kill each other so much but also why it doesn't really surprise or bother us anymore. My humble guess is that we will find a lot of contributing factors: Degradation of the family, undiagnosed and/or untreated mental health disorders, drug addiction, anonymity, alienation in urban environments, loneliness, rage and jealousy, the effects of the digital age, guns, community involvement, detection and prevention, vulnerable targets, lack of enforcement and/or screening, and probably a hundred other things I haven't mentioned.

Once we've figured out why Americans feel comfortable committing such devastating acts and why we don't care anymore, we can create an action plan to address those things. What are your thoughts?

eace to you.

 

[jimbo]

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All gun laws apply to people. We don't put guns in jail. Even gun psychos should be able to understand this

People misusing guns laws apply to people. As you say, guns can't be put in jail so gun laws is a misnomer, although banners certainly try.

The rhetoric, however, is nearly all directed at the tool, not the criminal.

 

[vegas giants]

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People misusing guns laws apply to people. As you say, guns can't be put in jail so gun laws is a misnomer, although banners certainly try.

The rhetoric, however, is nearly all directed at the tool, not the criminal.

The rhetoric is not what puts you in jail. Gun laws ALL apply to people.

 

[PoliSciXtina]

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I don't see anything their that says he's mentally disturbed.

In 2009, early in Obama's presidency, a Louisiana man went to The White House because he wanted to show Obama an invention. He went about the wrong way, got seached, had a .22 rifle in his truck, but he wasn't branded a mentally ****ed up nutjob.

So what does it matter if he's mentally disturbed or a bad dude? He still killed people, did he not? I don't care about his mental status is what I'm trying to get at. I don't understand why you keep saying his mental status wasn't known. Who cares? You can't agree that he shouldn't have had those guns, period? Can you agree that the dad shouldn't have given him the guns?


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[apdst]

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So what does it matter if he's mentally disturbed or a bad dude? He still killed people, did he not? I don't care about his mental status is what I'm trying to get at. I don't understand why you keep saying his mental status wasn't known. Who cares? You can't agree that he shouldn't have had those guns, period? Can you agree that the dad shouldn't have given him the guns?


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The point is, there migh not have been a legitimate reason for him to have his guns confiscated.

 

[trixare4kids]

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Huh?!



In a single post you declare that you feel safer with a firearm because of all these shootings, then declare that you don't have a problem with unrealistic fear, and then commence to dismiss "all these shootings" as media exaggeration? Yet you "feel safer" with a firearm in civilian land because of all these shootings? You yourself seem emotionally swayed. And...

1) Adam Lanza was a diagnosed mentally-ill person. His mother celebrated her 2A Right by sharing with him her firearms on ranges and gave him access to them. Irresponsible.

2) Waffle guy had his firearms confiscated by the authorities and they, in turn, gave them to the father with instructions to keep them from his son. He shrugged and simply handed them back to his son. Irresponsible.

3) A father celebrated his 2A Right by handing his 9 year-old daughter a fully automatic uzi on a range in Arizona where the rules dictate that the minimum age to handle and shoot firearms is 8 years old. She accidentally killed the instructor. Irresponsible on many levels.

There was nothing responsible about these three issues and in all three cases those who would celebrate the Second Amendment actually wiped their asses with it. For these and so many others, the Second Amendment is merely a license for gun anarchy, not responsibility.

The three examples you listed above have one factor in common; irresponsible, complicit parents.
Major fail attempting to stereotype responsible, law abiding gun owners in with this group.

 

[Saladin4]

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Apparently this angry white man was a follower of "Sovereign Citizens".....Another anti government type....Raises this incident to a terrorist attack

 

[trixare4kids]

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If your idea of Utopia is not feeling the need to carry a gun avery time you leave the house, then every western democracy in the world is Utopia?? I am 41 years old. I have never felt as though i need to carry a gun at all times.

If your idea of a good society is one where the citizens are so fearful they lock and load before setting out to the local waffle house for breakfast, then you can keep it.

whoooooooooosh

 

[Lursa]

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But then its not real solution to the problem of mass shootings is it? At best its putting a band aid on gushing wound.

And if people dying in car accidents is a reason to do nothing about gun violence, why not use that as excuse to do nothing about every problem?

I believe in fixing the CAUSE of the problem, what causes people do to this, not remove a tool that they will just replace. If the cause doesnt get fixed, these people will continue in another fashion.

And the car example is to show the incredibly ridiculous bias in people's fears. We accept a far greater risk to life and limb daily without even a 2nd thought....it shows that it's not very rational to be so fearful of individuals with guns.

 

[Saladin4]

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The narrative has changed.....With new information of this guy being a anti government white terrorist...One has to think his father and others are also in on it.....Sheltering him...Law enforcement needs to hunt them down......and kill them