Naked gunman kills four at Waffle House, still on the loose***[W:977]***

[PoliSciXtina]

Re: Naked gunman kills four at Waffle House, still on the loose

Your irrational fear of an inanimate object is noted.

Okay, great. I won't be changing my view on guns, either. Never liked them, never will.


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[ttwtt78640]

Re: Naked gunman kills four at Waffle House, still on the loose

How many times has that ever happened? Post the links.

After he got the gun, why didn't he kill the bastard?

I suspect two reasons: the gun was jammed/empty and the unarmed perp no longer posed a deadly threat.

 

[PoliSciXtina]

Re: Naked gunman kills four at Waffle House, still on the loose

There are millions of guns in the US and only a very few deaths attributed to misused guns. That's not a usually either.

My point was comparing car seats to guns. Still a false equivalency.


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[jmotivator]

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Naked gunman kills four at Waffle House, still on the loose

It appears the police have him trapped and maybe able to capture him. Thank you to the brave man who tackled him.

Here is another good example for why so few mass shooters use AR-15s. When someone rushes you from the side you are pretty much screwed with a rifle since it is useless against someone grappling with you.

 

[Fledermaus]

Re: Naked gunman kills four at Waffle House, still on the loose

Okay, great. I won't be changing my view on guns, either. Never liked them, never will.


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Great I never liked broccoli.

Your point?

You fear. I get that.

I have been around firearms all my life. Not one of them went rogue and attacked anyone.

 

[PoliSciXtina]

Re: Naked gunman kills four at Waffle House, still on the loose

Great I never liked broccoli.

Your point?

You fear. I get that.

I have been around firearms all my life. Not one of them went rogue and attacked anyone.

Well I am glad to hear that.


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[Fledermaus]

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Well I am glad to hear that.


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How many firearms animated themselves and attacked people in your experience?

 

[PoliSciXtina]

Re: Naked gunman kills four at Waffle House, still on the loose

How many times has that ever happened? Post the links.

After he got the gun, why didn't he kill the bastard?

This is why he didn't "kill the bastard". The guy stopped the shooter, saved lives, and injured himself in the process, yet the only thing you can do is criticize him for not using the weapon on the shooter? Sick.

"During a sudden break in the firing, Mr. Shaw sprinted through the door as fast as he could, slamming into the gunman and knocking him to the ground. He grabbed the rifle and tossed it over the restaurant counter.

The gunman, Travis Reinking, 29, then ran away, the authorities said, but not before he had killed four people and injured at least four more. But the police, as well as other customers in the Waffle House, quickly praised Mr. Shaw as a hero for stopping even more bloodshed.

Mr. Shaw went to the hospital to treat a burned hand — he had grabbed the rifle’s hot barrel — and other injuries. After he was released, he went to church. And later, as he stood behind a podium on Sunday with a bandaged right hand to share what happened, people across the country were calling him a hero."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/23/us/waffle-house-hero-james-shaw.html



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[PoliSciXtina]

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How many firearms animated themselves and attacked people in your experience?

I think we all know that firearms don't shoot themselves. I have stated guns getting into the wrong hands due to lax gun laws.

Do you know how this Waffle House shooter got his guns? His father gave them back to his son after the FBI returned the guns. The shooter's father should be charged as an accessory to this murder. He knew his son was crazy yet he gave the guns back to him anyway. A gun owner exercising poor judgment. THAT is what I'm afraid of. I think we can look at recent mass shootings (and this Waffle House shooting) to know that when guns do get into the wrong hands, people die. Of course I'm aware that cops carry guns to protect us. I don't trust all gun owners, and this shooting is exactly why. The father should have never given his son the guns.


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[Moon]

Re: Naked gunman kills four at Waffle House, still on the loose

Just because I'm not going to jump into a post-mortem on the No Fly List?
How about YOU do that and I'll stick with ideas for a No Gun List instead?
I think I already covered that earlier in the thread, but you're not interested in that, are you?
Let's make this about me...how about let's not?

If you're supporting unconstitutional ideas, then it's a non-starter, period.

 

[PoliSciXtina]

Re: Naked gunman kills four at Waffle House, still on the loose

How many firearms animated themselves and attacked people in your experience?

"After an investigation by the FBI office in Springfield, state and local officials confiscated Reinking’s guns and revoked his firearm license, officials said.

Sheriff Robert Huston in Tazewell County said deputies allowed Reinking’s father to take possession of the weapons on the promise that he would “keep the weapons secure and out of the possession of Travis.” Huston added that, based on past deputies’ encounters with Reinking, “there’s certainly evidence that there’s some sort of mental health issues involved.”

While Huston said it was unclear how Reinking reclaimed the firearms, Nashville police spokesman Don Aaron said that his father “has now acknowledged giving them back to his son.

Under Illinois law, the weapons can be released to a family member, but Reinking could not lawfully possess the firearms there, Anderson said. It’s unclear if possessing the weapons was illegal in Tennessee."

Why did the father give these back to his son?!?!? He promised he would not give the weapons to his son. He did, and now 4 people are dead.

Suspect in Tennessee Waffle House shooting had guns seized after arrest near White House last year - Chicago Tribune


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[apdst]

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This is why he didn't "kill the bastard". The guy stopped the shooter, saved lives, and injured himself in the process, yet the only thing you can do is criticize him for not using the weapon on the shooter? Sick.

"During a sudden break in the firing, Mr. Shaw sprinted through the door as fast as he could, slamming into the gunman and knocking him to the ground. He grabbed the rifle and tossed it over the restaurant counter.

The gunman, Travis Reinking, 29, then ran away, the authorities said, but not before he had killed four people and injured at least four more. But the police, as well as other customers in the Waffle House, quickly praised Mr. Shaw as a hero for stopping even more bloodshed.

Mr. Shaw went to the hospital to treat a burned hand — he had grabbed the rifle’s hot barrel — and other injuries. After he was released, he went to church. And later, as he stood behind a podium on Sunday with a bandaged right hand to share what happened, people across the country were calling him a hero."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/23/us/waffle-house-hero-james-shaw.html



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And now the shooter is running lose to do who knows what. He should have pumped a couple rounds into Reinking and put him down, forever.

 

[apdst]

Re: Naked gunman kills four at Waffle House, still on the loose

I think we all know that firearms don't shoot themselves. I have stated guns getting into the wrong hands due to lax gun laws.

Do you know how this Waffle House shooter got his guns? His father gave them back to his son after the FBI returned the guns. The shooter's father should be charged as an accessory to this murder. He knew his son was crazy yet he gave the guns back to him anyway. A gun owner exercising poor judgment. THAT is what I'm afraid of. I think we can look at recent mass shootings (and this Waffle House shooting) to know that when guns do get into the wrong hands, people die. Of course I'm aware that cops carry guns to protect us. I don't trust all gun owners, and this shooting is exactly why. The father should have never given his son the guns.


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If he was that dangerous, the FBI should have locked him up.

 

[jimbo]

Re: Naked gunman kills four at Waffle House, still on the loose

Okay, great. I won't be changing my view on guns, either. Never liked them, never will.


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And nobody is demanding you must own/possess/keep or bear.

Banners have a different point of view.

 

[PoliSciXtina]

Re: Naked gunman kills four at Waffle House, still on the loose

And now the shooter is running lose to do who knows what. He should have pumped a couple rounds into Reinking and put him down, forever.

Instead of criticizing the actual shooter, you continue to criticize the hero. I have no more words.


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[Fledermaus]

Re: Naked gunman kills four at Waffle House, still on the loose

I think we all know that firearms don't shoot themselves. I have stated guns getting into the wrong hands due to lax gun laws.

Do you know how this Waffle House shooter got his guns? His father gave them back to his son after the FBI returned the guns. The shooter's father should be charged as an accessory to this murder. He knew his son was crazy yet he gave the guns back to him anyway. A gun owner exercising poor judgment. THAT is what I'm afraid of. I think we can look at recent mass shootings (and this Waffle House shooting) to know that when guns do get into the wrong hands, people die. Of course I'm aware that cops carry guns to protect us. I don't trust all gun owners, and this shooting is exactly why. The father should have never given his son the guns.


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We agree.

The guns should not have gone back to the son.

 

[PoliSciXtina]

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And nobody is demanding you must own/possess/keep or bear.

Banners have a different point of view.

Yes, agreed. I support gun owners rights. I don't agree with any bans. Did you read the article I posted from the Chicago tribune? The gun owner (father) gave the guns to his son when he told law enforcement he wouldn't. So while I support gun rights, I worry about gun owners exercising bad judgment, such as what happened in this shooting. I blame the shooter but I also blame the father for giving the guns to his son.


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[jimbo]

Re: Naked gunman kills four at Waffle House, still on the loose

And is the US safer then either the UK or Canada when it comes to gun violence? No, so why is that the case?

There are thousands of differences between UK, Canada, and the US. The second is just one of them. Isolating a single factor and claiming causation is a false equivalency.

A few years ago the US had far less gun violence and virtually no gun restrictions. Why is that?

 

[apdst]

Re: Naked gunman kills four at Waffle House, still on the loose

Instead of criticizing the actual shooter, you continue to criticize the hero. I have no more words.


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I've already said Reinking should have been wasted on the spot. :lamo

You can't argue that that would be a bad thing. When they convict him, I hope he get's the needle. What do you think?

 

[PoliSciXtina]

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We agree.

The guns should not have gone back to the son.

Glad we can agree!


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[Ikari]

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Yes, agreed. I support gun owners rights. I don't agree with any bans. Did you read the article I posted from the Chicago tribune? The gun owner (father) gave the guns to his son when he told law enforcement he wouldn't. So while I support gun rights, I worry about gun owners exercising bad judgment, such as what happened in this shooting. I blame the shooter but I also blame the father for giving the guns to his son.


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Oh, I think the father is in deep doo over that one. You can't tell the police that you understand why the guns were taken and you won't give them back, and then give them back. And now that those guns have been used in a commission of a crime, an act of mass murder, the father is f'd.

 

[TurtleDude]

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You come across as paranoid and scared. I've never been in a situation where I felt I needed a gun. Not even close.

If you're so scared that you never leave the house without a gun, I feel sorry for you.

you appear fearful of honest people being armed.

 

[VanceMack]

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Not in this thread. Go ahead.

Oh...I dont know. It would require real change on all sides and I have little expectation that people will or can get out of their own way enough to make changes.
OK...here goes. Again.

The leaders of the black community need to change their mindset. They need to stop defending black for the sake of black. When black people commit violent crimes both the leaders and the community need to DEMAND mandatory minimum sentences and to remove those that would commit those crimes from their community. The victims of those crimes are invariably, black people. Its way past time that we stop making excuses for, blaming other people for, and/or justifying for violent behavior. People whine and cry over the number/percentages of black people in prison. Stop. Hell, I cannot fathom a white community anywhere in the country that would do such a stupid thing. Violent criminals belong behind bars, regardless of their race. Now...since I advocate for legalizing pot, obviously, we would start there by clearing out the prisons from those in prison solely for drug use crimes. But when it comes to predators...violent criminals...our response should UNIVERSALLY be nah...**** you...buh bye.

I know...Ive lost most people right out the gate.

2nd, there should be a MASSIVE investment in the poor communities in this country (not just the majority black communities). We are in an ever increasing debt sinkhole anyway so of course this will add to it but it shouldnt all come from the government. There should be encouraged private secotr participation...let the Bill Gates of the country start putting their money where their mouth is. So...how do you do it. Each major city would have a very efficient 3 or 5 person commission that would review the communities. target 2-3 buildings for renovation and then turn those buildings into community health centers. It would take a little time so that would give people time to apply to be employed and to begin some basic constructions skills training. Once those centers are completed they would house health care and child care facilities for the community. Then you start targeting buildings and houses for demolition...the ones that cant be saved. Put people to work. At the same time you are identifying homes that can be built and restored...not 'projects'...homes. Give people an option to pay off their homes while they work. Of course this is an going project that could take a decade or so so at the same time you are reviewing schools and making sure they are more efficient. We are encouraging private sector investment into low to middle middle income jobs.

In short, there has to be massive change...not just whining about the past, bleating on about racism, and renaming a few streets and schools after civil rights leaders. Real change requires long term...very long term investment. It also requires people be grown up about the problems and solutions. Is that plan perfect? No...but yes. I mean...I recognize there are LOTS of challenges with it but thats how you make changes. You start with a proposal that would actually affect change and not just continue to perpetrate the problems. Its entirely unrealistic to expect people in a high poverty area with few employment prospects to stay clean, stay out of gangs, stay off of drugs, get good grades, graduate from high school, all so you can compete for one of the few minimum wage jobs at McDonalds that opens up. There has to be a better emphasis on police work, medical work, IT, tech jobs, vo-tech skills, etc. but there also has to be a real pathway for return on investment.

 

[jimbo]

Re: Naked gunman kills four at Waffle House, still on the loose

Yes, agreed. I support gun owners rights. I don't agree with any bans. Did you read the article I posted from the Chicago tribune? The gun owner (father) gave the guns to his son when he told law enforcement he wouldn't. So while I support gun rights, I worry about gun owners exercising bad judgment, such as what happened in this shooting. I blame the shooter but I also blame the father for giving the guns to his son.


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I read that. Bad parenting in this case had more to do with shooting than any gun laws.

Exercising bad judgement is the cause of most problems. However when a person drives his Maserati at 150/mph and kills someone, we tend not to blame the car.

 

[TurtleDude]

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Oh no...Here we go...The NRA types have arrived and they're still trying to pawn off their BULL**** definition of an ASSAULT Rifle

as opposed to the hysterically wrong definition that is pushed by hysterical gun haters? My definition is the military definition.