Missing Idaho Kids - Should Mother Be Arrested???

[Josie]

Nope none at all.

Then you shouldn't jump into the conversation saying the police shouldn't be involved in a case that you know nothing about.

 

[PirateMk1]

Then you shouldn't jump into the conversation saying the police shouldn't be involved in a case that you know nothing about.

Well good news everyone I just updated myself. While everything is very hinky to say the least, the police have nothing. Zero, zip. It been 15 days since she failed to produce the children. I presume the courts will get involved now. We will just have to be patient. These people remind of the Clintons in that they know a lot deceased people. Coincidence?

 

[PirateMk1]

Then you shouldn't jump into the conversation saying the police shouldn't be involved in a case that you know nothing about.

Whats the fun in not jumping into conversations without knowing what's going on. How else can one stir the pot?

 

[Robertinfremont]

This is rather large in the news.

Case of the Missing Idaho Kids: A Timeline in the Disappearance of JJ Vallow and Tylee Ryan | Inside Edition

Dateline did a 2 hour show last night on it.

'''Dateline''' to focus on missing Rexburg children case | ktvb.com

Kids are missing. Not one person has seen them since Fall of 2019.

Mother is being completely uncooperative.

My question to you is, should she be charged with a crime, and what charges should be filed?

My thoughts are that at the very least "obstruction of justice" and "child endangerment".

There's also "mysterious deaths" of at least two direct family members being investigated right now, plus a third death of the man the mother is now currently married to.

Oh - and the mother and her new husband think the absolute End of the World will be this coming June of 2020.


But there is currently no information/evidence of what's happened to the children other than zero information as to where they are.

If you don't believe the mother should be arrested, please tell us why.

The law is not stupid. After reading a lot more of this case, the mom story is at this point a total blank.

First, what state can arrest her? She moved out of Idaho to Hawaii, so the jurisdiction today is Hawaii.

It is very hard for the Law to arrest a person there due to no bodies found.d

Second, she is a Jehovah Witness. I was married to one JW woman who also moved to Hawaii (Kauai) who vanished and is noW legally pronounced dead. I know the story told by the JW of 144,000 of them going to heaven.

Chain of evidence told by the media.

Lori was married to the children's father and he died.

Perhaps by her hand. Perhaps not. She marries a new husband. She moves to Idaho. Her story is she moved there after being hired in Idaho. She leaves Idaho to Hawaii. I think with the new husband.

Path was from AZ to Idaho to Hawaii.

Something appears to smell.

Laws work in favor of fast moving targets since it is difficult to charge the two mates or one of them. If requires proof a crime has happened.

Since the LAW is not stupid, there is an excellent chance one or both could end up charged.

But for what? The location of the two kids is simply not known.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Dude -- the children are missing. NO ONE has seen them since September - no family, no friends, no school, no doctors. The husband's wife died and her body was exhumed in December to determine what was the exact cause of death. The mother's husband was killed by her brother and then her brother died too. So, to sum up -- both of their spouses are dead, the brother who killed his sister's husband is dead (ALL under suspicious circumstances), the children are missing and they refuse to tell authorities where they are and they are VERY into a Doomsday cult. Why on earth shouldn't the police be involved?

Sounds to me like there will be a coming movie.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Obstruction of justice and child endangerment isn't a crime?

Your ? mark shows you actually do not know.

 

[Robertinfremont]

It should also be noted that the mother has NOT filed a missing person report or anything.

However, every explanation she's given to the police about the location of the children has been a lie.

I predict though she is no member of any political party.

She is a JW. She is alleged to spread the story she is GOD and her story includes her talking of being part of the 144,000. This is ideology of the JW. Also they refuse to be involved in politics.

The JW are not really known to be killers. I mean they have a radical religion that refuses to even join the military.

Cops understand this. Ergo may want to arrest not her, but the recent husband. JW religion treats non JW husbands not kindly.

I was married to one and found out somewhat fast. I was considered a total outsider. So some JW women do marry outsiders, the marriage can be very tough to her. Her elders closely examine sudden deaths along with such marriages.

 

[Robertinfremont]

I've been keeping up with this story and think that the mother and her new husband (writer, LDS-offshoot/possible cult leader) need to answer a LOT of questions.

And it's not just the two missing kids--there have been at least three very strange deaths, including the mom's former husband, who was shot by her brother, surrounding all this.

Where did you come up with him being LDS? She is a devout JW.

 

[Robertinfremont]

This is up here in my neck of the country and it is absolutely insane.

The grandparents of the little 7 yr old boy have put $24,000 of their own money up as a reward as they are just totally heartbroken.

She has lied each time as to where the kids are.

As noted above there are 3 other suspicious deaths of related relatives.

So she and this new husband are off enjoying themselves in Hawaii while everyone back home is trying to find the kids.

So let me get this right. If you decide to kill your kid you simply have to hide the body and when anyone asks just say they are living with a relative in another state. Then you can carry on with enjoying life and there is nothing law enforcement can do?????

I live in ID where she moved to recently from AZ and now is in Hawaii.

It is not clear what she can be charged with since there is no proof yet of any foul play. If the kids are dead, where are their bodies? To charge a person, the place of the crime has to be located and then charges made.

To get to Hawaii, it is by airplane or ship. Records of who was with her can easily be found by authorities.

Since she lived in AZ, ID and also in Hawaii, surely the FBI will be in the middle of this investigation.

The FBI has outstanding resources to investigate this.

I suggest since they are in charge, see what they allege.

 

[Josie]

Where did you come up with him being LDS? She is a devout JW.

Chad Daybell is the Mormon doomsday-er that Lori is now with. She joined him in his religious beliefs. The Preparing a People events are LDS-related.

“Mother [Lori Vallow] has recently become infatuated at times obsessive about near death experiences and spiritual visions,” the court documents filed in February 2019 and obtained by KSTU read. “Mother has told father [Charles Vallow] that she is sealed [eternally married] to the ancient Book of Mormon prophet Moroni and that she has lived numerous lives on numerous planets prior to this current life.” The documents also allege that Vallow Daybell claimed to be a “God assigned to carry out the work of the 144,000 at Christ’s second coming” and threatened to “murder” Charles Vallow if he got in the way of her mission.

Missing Idaho Kids' Sibling Begs Lori Vallow Daybell In Video | Crime News
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[Robertinfremont]

Unfortunately I believe the two kids are dead.

So any info they get won't bring them back alive.

What's scary is the current scumbag husband has kids of his own.
Where are they? Are they safe?

Also, since this current scumbag husband is apparently so "charismatic" and a leader of a Doomsday Cult he could probably incite quite a few more deaths/killings if left to his own accord.

She is a devout Jehovah Witness. I myself had a JW wife and believe me, they run the members lives.

However they are also known for there refusal to take lives.

 

[Dragonfly]

She is a devout Jehovah Witness. I myself had a JW wife and believe me, they run the members lives.

However they are also known for there refusal to take lives.

That is an outright and complete falsehood.

She is, or was an LDS Mormon.

So was her dead husband, and so was her current Doomsday husband.

They have NEVER been associated with JW's in any way shape or form.

Never.

 

[Dragonfly]

I predict though she is no member of any political party.

What the HELL does that have to do with anything????

 

[Lursa]

2 other horrific cases like this come to mind...here in Bellevue, WA, a woman said she ran out of gas, and took her infant with her to get help and left toddler son in car. Son was never seen again, there were many suspicious circumstances but she continually refused to come in for more questioning (there was some in the beginning) and she was never forced to come forward and that was at least 7 yrs ago. She's still free and son is still gone.

Then there was the guy in Utah who's wife disappeared and they were sure it was him but they couldnt make the case against him and again...didnt get in there an apply real pressure on him...he eventually moved to this area. He had other issues and his 2 sons were in foster care. He was allowed supervised visits and the final time, he grabbed the boys into the mobile home, closed the door in the social worker's face, and set the place on fire, killing all 3 of them.

These were cases I followed where the cops never applied any real pressure on the (very strong) suspects. Yes, I know it's not like on TV, yes I know there are legal limitations....but real people are dead here.

 

[Lursa]

What the HELL does that have to do with anything????

That's how he classifies and judges all people. And in his categories, liberals and Dems "cannot be" Christians, for ex. :roll:

 

[Lursa]

I've been following this. I heard she had a deadline in order to produce the children, but she never did. Yes, she should be arrested. I wonder if they're waiting to see if she or her husband will trip up and give away what they did to the children.

How can you not be arrested for not being able to produce your kids? How is that alone not illegal?

 

[ecofarm]

What the HELL does that have to do with anything????

He's trying to show off his JW knowledge. They don't do politics.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Chad Daybell is the Mormon doomsday-er that Lori is now with. She joined him in his religious beliefs. The Preparing a People events are LDS-related.

That is not my ideology. I am a Mormon who was married to a JW. The story on the woman is she thinks she is GOD. But the Mormons do not approve crimes at all and the JW will not kill and remain in the JW faith.

We LDS do not have a doomsday cult. JW ideology is their aim is to be one of the 144,000 who will end up in heaven. LDS do not have that ideology.

My former wife told me how the 144,000 number shows up. She spoke of 12 tribes of Israels and ech trimbd is allged to get 12,000 of them per tribe to total up to 144,000.

My former wife said many times, she was hoping to qualify to be in one of the 12 tribes.

Her Mother was Russian but her father was Italian. I did my best to stay out of her religion.

I have been a LDS since I was a young boy. Around 1954 was my baptism. We never allege 144,000 will go to heaven. I said to my wife, but there have been billions who died. She said to me that she expected to die and be recalled far into the future by GOD who would give them a second chance. We LDS do not engage in such stories.

There are far too many differences in my ideology and her religion. It was her basis of divorcing me. I believed I had many years to lovingly have her as my wife and time to persuade her. But that backfired. She had her Church elders show up to our home t o try to change my mind. I simply was a pain in their ass as they were to me. It was not long after getting her Elders to leave me alone that she filed for the divorce. Her mom and dad were devout JW.

Next the economics. She departed AZ per an article on this since she was hired by some employer in ID, but when still in AZ. I suppose the Authorities still are learning a lot. But Normally when they charge a crime, they believe they understand any crime. Ergo they charge when they have a factual basis to do it. Stories in the news can be speculation. But courts try hard not to deal in speculation.

 

[Josie]

Then there was the guy in Utah who's wife disappeared and they were sure it was him but they couldnt make the case against him and again...didnt get in there an apply real pressure on him...he eventually moved to this area. He had other issues and his 2 sons were in foster care. He was allowed supervised visits and the final time, he grabbed the boys into the mobile home, closed the door in the social worker's face, and set the place on fire, killing all 3 of them.

That's the Susan Powell case. Incredibly disturbing, especially when you listen to the social worker's 911 call when you know that the father is inside the house killing the children while the 911 operator is asking questions that don't matter. The father-in-law was also incredibly disturbed too.

 

[Lursa]

She has no obligation to cooperate and it sounds as though she is not intimidated easily. Why are they even looking for these children anyhow? It could be they are perfectly fine she knows where they are and is comfortable with that. Why is this a police matter?

Here's one: by law they need to be in school or home schooled.

To clarify your post...for any individual whose child/children were unable to be found and they refused to tell them where they were...no welfare check, no investigation?

 

[Josie]

That is not my ideology. I am a Mormon who was married to a JW. The story on the woman is she thinks she is GOD. But the Mormons do not approve crimes at all and the JW will not kill and remain in the JW faith.

We LDS do not have a doomsday cult. JW ideology is their aim is to be one of the 144,000 who will end up in heaven. LDS do not have that ideology.

My former wife told me how the 144,000 number shows up. She spoke of 12 tribes of Israels and ech trimbd is allged to get 12,000 of them per tribe to total up to 144,000.

My former wife said many times, she was hoping to qualify to be in one of the 12 tribes.

Her Mother was Russian but her father was Italian. I did my best to stay out of her religion.

I have been a LDS since I was a young boy. Around 1954 was my baptism. We never allege 144,000 will go to heaven. I said to my wife, but there have been billions who died. She said to me that she expected to die and be recalled far into the future by GOD who would give them a second chance. We LDS do not engage in such stories.

There are far too many differences in my ideology and her religion. It was her basis of divorcing me. I believed I had many years to lovingly have her as my wife and time to persuade her. But that backfired. She had her Church elders show up to our home t o try to change my mind. I simply was a pain in their ass as they were to me. It was not long after getting her Elders to leave me alone that she filed for the divorce. Her mom and dad were devout JW.

Next the economics. She departed AZ per an article on this since she was hired by some employer in ID, but when still in AZ. I suppose the Authorities still are learning a lot. But Normally when they charge a crime, they believe they understand any crime. Ergo they charge when they have a factual basis to do it. Stories in the news can be speculation. But courts try hard not to deal in speculation.

None of what you're saying here matters. They affiliate themselves with the LDS church, not JWs.

 

[Robertinfremont]

He's trying to show off his JW knowledge. They don't do politics.

Correction, both the LDS and the JW are very well known to me.

I am very curious so when married to a JW, I more than asked questions, I gave explanations to the JW as to my own church ideology.

 

[ecofarm]

Correction, both the LDS and the JW are very well known to me.

I am very curious so when married to a JW, I more than asked questions, I gave explanations to the JW as to my own church ideology.

What a hopeless and stupid marriage. So desperate.

 

[Lursa]

Oops...

The man the mother is currently married to was previously married to another woman who died "mysteriously" in her sleep.
She was a healthy woman in her early 40's.
The man declined an autopsy. Buried her.
Then married his current whacko wife two weeks later.

The police have now had the dead wife's body exhumed and are now doing an autopsy.

:shock:

 

[Robertinfremont]

None of what you're saying here matters. They affiliate themselves with the LDS church, not JWs.

Clearly you do not understand either the JW nor the LDS.

My church, the LDS have no such cults as talked about here.

It is next to impossible for a JW to accept the LDS doctrine.

You are welcome to shoot off your face since you do not allege you are either a JW nor the LDS church.