Michael Cohen pleads guilty to lying to Congress about Trump real estate project in Russia

[yankintx]

The fact that Trump's party held onto the Senate in mid-terms that have historically been lost by the ruling party in other past presidential terms says that Trump is more supported than you realize. I chalk it up to the hysteria from the Left which is alienating more and more voters.

Only a third of the Senate was on the ballot. The entire House was up for reelection. The House election is much better barometer of the national electorate than the Senate. Some States did not even have a Senate seat on the midterm ballot. Most Presidents see course correction post midterms. With nine million more ballots cast for Dems than the GOP and 39 House Seats flipped, it should be a warning shot for 2020. Hopefully Trump stays on the current course, it will insure his humilating defeat in 2020. Stay as you are Donny, don't change a thing, pleeeeease !

 

[yankintx]

As I recall, all kinds of similarly "disturbing" poll numbers were similarly being belched up prior to November 2016. The quality of these polling numbers then resulted in disturbing scenes following the actual election:







(Thank you for giving me an opportunity to post that again, btw - I never get tired of watching it) :mrgreen:




His agenda to improve the American economy and create more American jobs by putting America First was certainly something that a broad swathe of people could appreciate and benefit from. So I call that an expansive and inclusive agenda, which helps every American. If you mean he wasn't trying to "bring in" more illegal Hondurans or Guatemalans to improve his polling numbers with them, then I'm sorry, but it can't be helped.

What the midterms showed was that despite the economic news Trump is deeply unpopular. People expect a certain amount of decorum and civility in the President. Sure his base may love his imature tweets and flip flopping, nine million more votes cast for Dems says outside his base, most do not. Trump got his base out, and he still lost the House bigly. In 2020 the Dems will show up at the polls unlike in 2016. By playing to his base almost exclusively, he has not increased his tent size. Not even the old adage its about the economy can be applied, it sure did not help Trump in 2018.

 

[yankintx]

Yep and that was about the same time Hillary was paying for a fake Russian dossier supposedly with information from deep inside the Kremlin. Werid.

And what does that have to with Trump lying about his Russian contacts during the election. Other than another of your diversions nada !

 

[calamity]

Yep and that was about the same time Hillary was paying for a fake Russian dossier supposedly with information from deep inside the Kremlin. Werid.

That “fake dossier” has proven itself to be quite accurate. Sorry about your luck.

 

[SLC]

And what does that have to with Trump lying about his Russian contacts during the election. Other than another of your diversions nada !

Oh let me see....Both are about Russian contacts? And both are ultimately about Russia helping one campaign to beat the other campaign. Since a Kremlin based bank paid Bill Clinton $500,000 and $26 million from Russians flowed into the Clinton Foundation while Hillary was Secretary of State do you think the Russians may have been pulling strings with Hillary like you accused Trump of ? Trump only has a failed attempt to do business in Russia for a connection to Russia Hill. Why are you so breathless about one and choose to ignore the other? Follow the Money. Odd.

 

[Athanasius68]

No, rather it dawned on them after the exposure of the role of the Russian GRU's in the DNC hacking. That continuing negotiate a business deal to put up a building in the capital city of a hostile autocratic state in concert with the Kremlin itself was something that was no longer politically or operationally tenable.

Ok-- the two arent neccessarily incompatible. But thats just details.

What remains incompatable here is Trump/Putin conspiracy to throw the 2016 election.

 

[Athanasius68]

And what does that have to with Trump lying about his Russian contacts during the election. Other than another of your diversions nada !

Russia targeting the 2016 election.

 

[Athanasius68]

Dumbest thing anyone would ever conclude. No one will seriously conclude that, it's too stupid.

Willingly engaged in a conflict of interest *but was duped* into it? Trump drafted the ****ing Trump Tower documents and sent his ****ing personal attorney their to float the deal. Ooops!? He has a history stretching back 30+ years in trying to land a deal in Russia, you need to be more creative in your fabrications.

Furthermore, if he was compromised unwittingly, oops, all he has to do is come clean. He chose not to, and to obstruct, so he'd be right back in the conspiracy game.

Unwitting....OMFG that's hilarious.

Trump's objectives were not the same as Putin's. Maddow has to bend over backwards to explain American actions, but it kind of flows when she speaks of the Russians.

 

[calamity]

When the law finally catches up to Trump---a mathematical certainty---the story won't be about Trump being guilty. Nope. The real story will be that the GOP and his idiot supporters covered his ass and wanted to let him get away with it.

And, they will be hated for many many years.

 

[Chomsky]

Yep and that was about the same time Hillary was paying for a fake Russian dossier supposedly with information from deep inside the Kremlin. Werid.

How is this relevant to Trump?

 

[Atomic Kid]

Ok-- the two arent neccessarily incompatible. But thats just details.

What remains incompatable here is Trump/Putin conspiracy to throw the 2016 election.

Do you remember what one of the bugaboo's was with General Flynn? Sally Yates called for an emergency meeting with White House Don McGahn because they had direct information that General Flynn has misrepresented the nature of his discussions with the Russian Ambassador to the Vice President and others in the Administration which resulted in the Vice President going on a Sunday Morning News show and telling a fib in front of the entire nation. Now while that was bad enough what was even worse is that the Russians know that he lied and the National Security Advisor to President of the United States was now compromised by the Russians as Flynn could be vulnerable to black mail by the Russians. Which the kind of nightmare scenario that could possibly ensue from that would be readily apparent to anyone with half a brain.

President Trump completely, and it appears now, deliberately misrepresented the true nature of the relationship between himself and Russia to the American people while he was pursuing the office the Presidency when he said repeatedly that he has nothing to do with Russia. While it's true that a business man pursuing a business deal with a foreign government is not illegal. He lied to the American people. Which isn't illegal either. But it is an impeachable offense as "lying to the American people was one of the articles of impeachment leveled against President Nixon in the Watergate investigation. Now had the Russians decided to reveal that Trump had been playing ***** foots with Kremlin throughout the election they easily could have thrown a monkey wrench into Trump's election prospects. But they didn't do so and one has to wonder why. Because you can bet had the shoe been on Hillary's foot they would exposed her in a heartbeat.

 

[jghiretire]

Maddow's theory is long on Russia targeting Trump, and short on Trump involvement. Its more obvious to conclude from what she is saying is that he and the campaign were played by Russia. "Willing dupes" "useful idiots" whichever term is more appropriate. Her claims about Russian activity seems reasonable; but from the American side is simply inadequate and incorrect (is she really puzzled that Trump would shoot his mouth off to the sanctions question?? Is she really going to argue that the general perception of Russia by Americans that there are clear delineations of power between Putin and others-- with respects to cancelling the Moscow trip?? ).

So let me get this straight. You don't believe Trump was playing with Russia but even if he was, he was too stupid to understand what he was doing??
A new and different twist.

 

[jghiretire]

The fact that Trump's party held onto the Senate in mid-terms that have historically been lost by the ruling party in other past presidential terms says that Trump is more supported than you realize. I chalk it up to the hysteria from the Left which is alienating more and more voters.

While completely ignoring how many house seats were taken back?? Allrighty then.

Wow you guys work hard at defending Trump. Quite entertaining.

 

[jghiretire]

Yep and that was about the same time Hillary was paying for a fake Russian dossier supposedly with information from deep inside the Kremlin. Werid.

You conveniently have scrubbed your memory as to who actually started the dossier. How convenient for you.

 

[Athanasius68]

Do you remember what one of the bugaboo's was with General Flynn? Sally Yates called for an emergency meeting with White House Don McGahn because they had direct information that General Flynn has misrepresented the nature of his discussions with the Russian Ambassador to the Vice President and others in the Administration which resulted in the Vice President going on a Sunday Morning News show and telling a fib in front of the entire nation. Now while that was bad enough what was even worse is that the Russians know that he lied and the National Security Advisor to President of the United States was now compromised by the Russians as Flynn could be vulnerable to black mail by the Russians. Which the kind of nightmare scenario that could possibly ensue from that would be readily apparent to anyone with half a brain.

President Trump completely, and it appears now, deliberately misrepresented the true nature of the relationship between himself and Russia to the American people while he was pursuing the office the Presidency when he said repeatedly that he has nothing to do with Russia. While it's true that a business man pursuing a business deal with a foreign government is not illegal. He lied to the American people. Which isn't illegal either. But it is an impeachable offense as "lying to the American people was one of the articles of impeachment leveled against President Nixon in the Watergate investigation. Now had the Russians decided to reveal that Trump had been playing ***** foots with Kremlin throughout the election they easily could have thrown a monkey wrench into Trump's election prospects. But they didn't do so and one has to wonder why. Because you can bet had the shoe been on Hillary's foot they would exposed her in a heartbeat.

"If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"
A lie from President Obama. Nobody argued he should be impeached.

Flynn was fired because of what he said. So its not clear what the problem was; it was resolved by the president.

The claim that Trump played '*****foot' with Russia through the campaign is based on facts not in evidence. Its part of what Mueller is simply not establishing with all these guilty pleas he has racked up.

 

[SLC]

How is this relevant to Trump?

The left wants to tell everyone they think Trump used Russisa to effect the election and the right knows the Russian smear Trump dossier came from “sources deep within the Kremlin “ per Steele And was paid for by Hillary. . So to accurately and fairly evaluate one you should at least be fully educated about the other to make a educated decision on what happened. And you said you want to be fair

 

[Athanasius68]

So let me get this straight. You don't believe Trump was playing with Russia but even if he was, he was too stupid to understand what he was doing??
A new and different twist.

The claim has been that Russia sought to screw with the 2016 election. Do you deny this? I dont.

The additional claim has been that Trump & Co sought to work with Putin in this effort. I certainly deny this based upon the fact nothing has been produced by Mueller demonstrating this.

So what are we left? Yes. The probability that Trump & Co were played by the Russians.

 

[Athanasius68]

How is this relevant to Trump?

Its relevent to the fact Russia sought to screw with the 2016 election.

 

[HumblePi]

As I recall, all kinds of similarly "disturbing" poll numbers were similarly being belched up prior to November 2016. The quality of these polling numbers then resulted in disturbing scenes following the actual election:







(Thank you for giving me an opportunity to post that again, btw - I never get tired of watching it) :mrgreen:




His agenda to improve the American economy and create more American jobs by putting America First was certainly something that a broad swathe of people could appreciate and benefit from. So I call that an expansive and inclusive agenda, which helps every American. If you mean he wasn't trying to "bring in" more illegal Hondurans or Guatemalans to improve his polling numbers with them, then I'm sorry, but it can't be helped.

It's all good. I have my folder filled with Trump 'snowflake' gifs all ready to go.

 

[hanger4]

You conveniently have scrubbed your memory as to who actually started the dossier. How convenient for you.

The Washington Free Beacon stop funding Fusion GPS in May of 2016. Fusion GPS hired Steele in June 2016 when the DNC/Clinton Campaign started funding Fusion.

 

[Chomsky]

The left wants to tell everyone they think Trump used Russisa to effect the election and the right knows the Russian smear Trump dossier came from “sources deep within the Kremlin “ per Steele And was paid for by Hillary. . So to accurately and fairly evaluate one you should at least be fully educated about the other to make a educated decision on what happened. And you said you want to be fair

This thread and topic is about Trump not Hillary, and I am not "the left". And regardless, Hillary's perceived crimes or errant behavior - if any - do not absolve Trump's.

You're presenting a red herring ...

 

[Chomsky]

Its relevent to the fact Russia sought to screw with the 2016 election.

So what?

 

[sanman]

What the midterms showed was that despite the economic news Trump is deeply unpopular. People expect a certain amount of decorum and civility in the President. Sure his base may love his imature tweets and flip flopping, nine million more votes cast for Dems says outside his base, most do not. Trump got his base out, and he still lost the House bigly. In 2020 the Dems will show up at the polls unlike in 2016. By playing to his base almost exclusively, he has not increased his tent size. Not even the old adage its about the economy can be applied, it sure did not help Trump in 2018.

Trump's demeanor before being elected and after being elected hasn't changed. So the alleged "civility" issue you're talking about never stopped voters in November 2016. Meanwhile, Democrat behavior has certainly become more shrill than ever before. Those you call "the base" have normal positions that have been mainstream for many decades, and aren't anything new.

It's the Democrats who've shifted their goalposts, picking up their tent and pitching it somewhere else, and declaring others to suddenly be outside it. Typical Orwellian Left.

Now the traditional Democrats are suddenly under siege from the radical wing in their own party who are trying to oust them, so that they can take that party further Left.

While completely ignoring how many house seats were taken back?? Allrighty then.

Wow you guys work hard at defending Trump. Quite entertaining.

Nah, worse reversals have happened under other presidents. Democrat agitators have managed to get some people stirred up due to their alarmism, to panic them into voting Dem. But in the long run they won't be able to sustain their impulse-driven adrenaline-based politics. People will see that the roof isn't caving in and is actually doing better, contrary to the alarmists.

 

[Atomic Kid]

"If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"
A lie from President Obama. Nobody argued he should be impeached.

Flynn was fired because of what he said. So its not clear what the problem was; it was resolved by the president.

The claim that Trump played '*****foot' with Russia through the campaign is based on facts not in evidence. Its part of what Mueller is simply not establishing with all these guilty pleas he has racked up.

Yeah like a President misrepresenting a facet of a national health insurance plan is somehow equitable with someone slated to occupy one of the top and most sensitive of national security positions in our government misrepresenting his conversations with a hostile foreign government to the FBI and the Vice President in an effort to subvert the foreign policy of the United States. And you don't see any problem there. :roll:

 

[yankintx]

Trump's demeanor before being elected and after being elected hasn't changed. So the alleged "civility" issue you're talking about never stopped voters in November 2016. Meanwhile, Democrat behavior has certainly become more shrill than ever before. Those you call "the base" have normal positions that have been mainstream for many decades, and aren't anything new.

It's the Democrats who've shifted their goalposts, picking up their tent and pitching it somewhere else, and declaring others to suddenly be outside it. Typical Orwellian Left.

Now the traditional Democrats are suddenly under siege from the radical wing in their own party who are trying to oust them, so that they can take that party further Left.

Nah, worse reversals have happened under other presidents. Democrat agitators have managed to get some people stirred up due to their alarmism, to panic them into voting Dem. But in the long run they won't be able to sustain their impulse-driven adrenaline-based politics. People will see that the roof isn't caving in and is actually doing better, contrary to the alarmists.

Your statements are BS. The trade protectionism and isolationism are not long held GOP beliefs, go get a history lesson.

Face it, Trump go pee pee smacked in Nov