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Mexico fumes at 'hostile' Trump immigration rules as U.S. talks loom

Lord of Planar said:
Sorry, I will not believe the tripe by such agenda driven organizations.

If someone wants optional entry to this country, part of the condition should be they get absolutely no benefits like SNAP, TANF, etc. If they cannot economically sustain themselves, they should not be allowed in. Exceptions can be made for some political refugees, but not just anyone wanting a better life.
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That is how it works in other countries.
even in mexico you have to prove that you can support yourself independently without assistance.

you are not even allowed to apply for assistance.

finding a job is even more difficult as they are required to hire nationals before you.
you can't even own land and even renting an apartment nationals get first pick.
 
Lord of Planar said:
What about the jobs they are taking away from citizens?

I don't see that factored in...
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not to mention that over 50% of the money earned is sent back to mexico.
mexico's 2nd largest economic activity comes from money sent back from the US.

People think they spend their money here and they don't. the majority of the money they earn gets sent back to mexico.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Umm...don't think that Trump is aiming for immigration "reform" in the way that you're thinking. Looks to me like he's aiming to enforce already existing laws when it comes to immigration. Laws put in place before he got into office.
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Okay Kal', if you deem this as something long overdue, not obviously problematic and merely enforcing existing immigration laws... and you feel safe visiting the Mexican border this year, I sure hope you post us, your DP colleagues, a report.
I believe in an earlier post, you referenced a 2005 (GW era) Mexican pamphlet on 'how to cross the border illegally and remain undetected" as evidence that the Mexican government created this problem. You appear to support this new immigration laws enforcement strategy. I see it as an obvious invitation for conflict.. and in my personal life I try to pick and choose my battles. I could of joined the military in 1973 and maybe deployed to Vietnam. I chose not to.
 
DA60 said:
No it doesn't.

Many of them undoubtedly came through Mexico illegally and without Mexican knowledge. And American authorities would be galactically hypocritical if they are condemning Mexico for unknowingly letting illegal aliens in when AMerica is now trying to unload the very same illegals she unknowingly allowed into her country.
That's like saying - 'yeah, we both messed up. But you did it first, so we are blaming you, not us.'

The only way the law would make sense would be if America could prove that Mexico KNOWINGLY allowed them to come through their country on the way to America.

If America knows the nationality of the illegal alien - they can just send them back to that country...THAT is what makes sense.

This is yet another Trump asinine law proposal.
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Countries should be responsible for their own borders. If an illegal came through Mexico then they should go back to Mexico.
 
I think if there is an illegal immigrant that no country wants, we should drop them off in Afghanistan.

When word gets around, I bet illegal immigration would drop like a rock.
 
Mason66 said:
I think if there is an illegal immigrant that no country wants, we should drop them off in Afghanistan.

When word gets around, I bet illegal immigration would drop like a rock.
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Not a bad idea.
 
DA60 said:
No it doesn't.

Many of them undoubtedly came through Mexico illegally and without Mexican knowledge. And American authorities would be galactically hypocritical if they are condemning Mexico for unknowingly letting illegal aliens in when AMerica is now trying to unload the very same illegals she unknowingly allowed into her country.
That's like saying - 'yeah, we both messed up. But you did it first, so we are blaming you, not us.'

The only way the law would make sense would be if America could prove that Mexico KNOWINGLY allowed them to come through their country on the way to America.

If America knows the nationality of the illegal alien - they can just send them back to that country...THAT is what makes sense.

This is yet another Trump asinine law proposal.
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If an illegal comes through the southern border, are you advocating deporting them to Canada?
 
chuckiechan said:
If an illegal comes through the southern border, are you advocating deporting them to Canada?
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No...I am advocating to deport him to his home country.

And if that costs the authorities more money - tough.

Maybe next time - especially after the wall is up - they will do a better job at protecting America's borders.


Besides, what if Mexico will not take them? America - short of war - cannot force Mexico to take non-Mexicans.

It's a stupid law.
 
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DA60 said:
No...I am advocating to deport him top his home country.

And if that costs the authorities more money - tough.

Maybe next time - especially after the wall is up - they will do a better job at protecting America's borders.


Besides, what if Mexico will not take them? America - short of war - cannot force Mexico to take non-Mexicans.

It's a stupid law.
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if they dont take them back we stop issuuing visas to mexicans and end all legal immigrantion from the offending countries
 
DA60 said:
Besides, what if Mexico will not take them? America - short of war - cannot force Mexico to take non-Mexicans.

It's a stupid law.
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We can twist their little Mexican arms, though. Much like every other third world country, the only reason Mexico has a military is to control its own populace. They're not going to fend off an invasion from any country having battle tanks, cruise missiles, and a real air force. Mexico has not a single fighter plane in its arsenal. Its military exists to keep their own citizens from overthrowing the government. They have some Huey and BlackHawk helicopters and humvees and some armored cars in their army that the United States gave them.

What happens when they no longer have replacement parts for all those U.S.-made humvees and helicopters? What happens when they need more kevlar vests? The cartels have $billions to spend on mercenaries and weapons, and they're chomping at the bit waiting for a weakness to appear in the Mexican forces. Presidente Pena would be wise to consider what might happen to his presidential palace if he chooses to play hardball with Trump.

And don't think for one second that Trump doesn't know he has them by the cajones.
 
Serenity said:
I was watching Foreign Correspondent just recently and it was suggested that at any given time, there can be anything up to two million Americans, living, working and on vacation in Mexico. I doubt that any sane person (Government authorities included) would ever support such an extreme act that would result in the deliberate murder of their own citizens.
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And I'm telling you that Mexico must stop telling their citizens how to break US law. What they are essentially doing is approving of an invasion of the US and in my opinion their behavior is ground for retaliation. The US government should make it very clear to Mexico that they either stop providing assistance to their people in their efforts to break US immigration law or they will be forced to do.

I'm a pretty anti-war guy, but government approved invasions of other countries is a serious offense that I have no problem stopping by force.
 
Henrin said:
And I'm telling you that Mexico must stop telling their citizens how to break US law. What they are essentially doing is approving of an invasion of the US and in my opinion their behavior is ground for retaliation. The US government should make it very clear to Mexico that they either stop providing assistance to their people in their efforts to break US immigration law or they will be forced to do.
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mexico and s not stupid enough to keep ck out Americans as retaliation

it would hurt them more than it hurts us
 
Mac77 said:
mexico and s not stupid enough to keep ck out Americans as retaliation

it would hurt them more than it hurts us
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let me clean that up

mexico is not stupid enough to kick out Americans as retaliation
 
Mac77 said:
let me clean that up

mexico is not stupid enough to kick out Americans as retaliation
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That's not even what I'm talking about. The Mexican government provides their people with reading material on how to break US law. That behavior must stop.
 
apdst said:
The Mexicans don't like foreigners?
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They themselves have some of the toughest immigration laws in the world and are extremely intolerant of illegals there. Sneak into their country without permission and you could likely find yourself in a very unpleasant jail and held their for a very long time in hopes that somebody in your family will have or raise enough money to ransom you.

On the other hand, tourism is big business in Mexico and they wouldn't dare go too far to alienate millions of American tourists who spend a lot of money there.

I am pretty sure that only those non-Mexicans who came across the Mexican border will be deported back to Mexico. A pretty good incentive for Mexico to do what it can to prevent them from using Mexico to get here in the first place.
 
Henrin said:
That's not even what I'm talking about. The Mexican government provides their people with reading material on how to break US law. That behavior must stop.
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I agree

But bedwetting liberals want America to bend over backwards rather than offend mexico in any way

and that was what I was thinking of
 
ludin said:
That is how it works in other countries.
even in mexico you have to prove that you can support yourself independently without assistance.

you are not even allowed to apply for assistance.

finding a job is even more difficult as they are required to hire nationals before you.
you can't even own land and even renting an apartment nationals get first pick.
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Just try to explain that to these liberals wanting the illegals here.
 
ludin said:
not to mention that over 50% of the money earned is sent back to mexico.
mexico's 2nd largest economic activity comes from money sent back from the US.

People think they spend their money here and they don't. the majority of the money they earn gets sent back to mexico.
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That's why the Mexican government helps their citizens come here. It's a win-win for them.
 
Mason66 said:
I think if there is an illegal immigrant that no country wants, we should drop them off in Afghanistan.

When word gets around, I bet illegal immigration would drop like a rock.
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Or even Palestine.
 
chuckiechan said:
If an illegal comes through the southern border, are you advocating deporting them to Canada?
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LOL...

Canada won't even take US citizens, unless they are financially secure first.
 
Brewdog said:
Yup.

8 USC 1231

(E) Additional removal countries- If an alien is not removed to a country under the previous subparagraphs of this paragraph, the Attorney General shall remove the alien to any of the following countries:

(i) The country from which the alien was admitted to the United States.
(ii) The country in which is located the foreign port from which the alien left for the United States or for a foreign territory contiguous to the United States.
(iii) A country in which the alien resided before the alien entered the country from which the alien entered the United States.
(iv) The country in which the alien was born.
(v) The country that had sovereignty over the alien’s birthplace when the alien was born.
(vi) The country in which the alien’s birthplace is located when the alien is ordered removed.
(vii) If impracticable, inadvisable, or impossible to remove the alien to each country described in a previous clause of this subparagraph, another country whose government will accept the alien into that country.
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thanks for this!
 
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Lord of Planar said:
LOL...

Canada won't even take US citizens, unless they are financially secure first.
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they won't take you at all if someone else in Canada can do the same job you can.
migrating to Canada is almost impossible.

I forget the one poster that was here that was constantly crying that they couldn't migrate to Canada they wouldn't take them.
the fact that they only earned minimum wage and required assistance was the big reason.
 
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