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Mexico fumes at 'hostile' Trump immigration rules as U.S. talks loom

Gimmesometruth said:
yer half right.
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No, I'm entirely right. You want to figure out a way to make it seem like the best course of action is to not enforce the law. The problem with your argument is that it's utterly irrelevant no matter what you say. The law is the law and the government is there to enforce it.
 
Henrin said:
You want to figure out a way to make it seem like the best course of action...
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When laws do not make humanitarian AND economic sense...they should be reformed...unless yer statist con.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
When laws do not make humanitarian AND economic sense...they should be reformed...unless yer statist con.
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That doesn't mean ignoring them while they stand.

And btw, borders have a reason to exist. One of those reasons is to control travel into the country.
 
Henrin said:
That doesn't mean ignoring them while they stand.
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did the world end since the relaxation over the past 2 admins?

And btw, borders have a reason to exist. One of those reasons is to control travel into the country.
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remind me again about the invading hoards that destroyed the US since its formation...i fergot...
 
DA60 said:
No it doesn't.

Many of them undoubtedly came through Mexico illegally and without Mexican knowledge. And American authorities would be galactically hypocritical if they are condemning Mexico for unknowingly letting illegal aliens in when AMerica is now trying to unload the very same illegals she unknowingly allowed into her country.
That's like saying - 'yeah, we both messed up. But you did it first, so we are blaming you, not us.'

The only way the law would make sense would be if America could prove that Mexico KNOWINGLY allowed them to come through their country on the way to America.

If America knows the nationality of the illegal alien - they can just send them back to that country...THAT is what makes sense.

This is yet another Trump asinine law proposal.
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I hope you don't really believe that- if so I have some beachfront property for sale in Arizona at a real good price lol
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
did the world end since the relaxation over the past 2 admins?
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I have already addressed this desire of yours to not carry out the law.

remind me again about the invading hoards that destroyed the US since its formation...i fergot...
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That has nothing to do with the discussion.
 
polgara said:
Greetings, PoS. :2wave:

I don't think Trump would call it a bluff - he will probably term it his "first step in the negotiating process," but he also hasn't changed his mind about having Mexico pay for the border wall, either! :mrgreen: This might be interesting to watch!
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It sure is, polgara. I wonder what the Mexicans would do if it happens.
 
Trippy Trekker said:
Trump, Bannon and Miller love Big and Bold! Trump, a Rabid Orange Orangutan, loves adoring large crowds of supporters cheering for him. At least McMaster, a steady and gifted military tactician replaced Hot Headed Flynn ... and we have a sane, competent Secretary of Defense in Mad Dog. I trust Tillerson hopes to avoid constantly putting out fires. Maybe ICE and Trumped-up Border Agents want some fire works ASAP. Their idea of competent immigration reform probably relies on a vastly different calculus than what you or I might have in mind. I also think I hear distant rumbling approaching fast! I suggest staying away from the Mexican border this year.
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Umm...don't think that Trump is aiming for immigration "reform" in the way that you're thinking. Looks to me like he's aiming to enforce already existing laws when it comes to immigration. Laws put in place before he got into office.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Economics, humanitarian...are "random" reasons.
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Economically states lose money when it comes to illegal immigration.

Humanitarian? Sorry, but until our homeless are housed and children are fed 3 square meals a day and we deal with our own problems I can't feel much sympathy for anyone else. As my folks have told me: You can't help others until you can help yourself, otherwise you end up dragging yourself down to the level that they are at and are needing help yourself.
 
Fletch said:
Looks like Mexico will be in need of a wall as well. I guess we finally figured out how Trump was going to get them to pay for it.
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LOL...

Mexico build a wall to keep the immigrants from returning...

That would be awesome!
 
Kal'Stang said:
Economically states lose money when it comes to illegal immigration.
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Based on this study, the total state tax revenue attributable to immigrant workers was an
estimated $2.4 billion (about $860 million for naturalized citizens plus about $1.5 billion for
non-citizens). Balanced against incremental fiscal costs of $1.4 billion for education, health
care, and law enforcement, immigrants in Arizona generated a net 2004 fiscal contribution
of about $940 million toward services such as public safety, libraries, road maintenance,
and other areas.

Humanitarian? Sorry, but until our homeless are housed and children are fed 3 square meals a day and we deal with our own problems I can't feel much sympathy for anyone else. As my folks have told me: You can't help others until you can help yourself, otherwise you end up dragging yourself down to the level that they are at and are needing help yourself.
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You missed it, they are not asking for help, they are helping themselves. Yer confusing Mexican workers with Syrian refugees. Beyond that, yer not interested in "helping" US citizens either.
 
Whatever the infrastructure is that bring so many people North could be used to bring them back south. It is about 1900 miles from the US to Guatemala. I believe truckers call it backhauling.
 
PoS said:
Mexico fumes at 'hostile' Trump deportation rules as U.S. talks loom | Reuters





LOL. More entertainment here. Will Trump actually go through with this or is it just a bluff? :lol:
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The return trip is interesting. If Mexico allows passage, the argument might work that the persons shiuld be sent back. The other alternative is shipping them back to the point at which they started. That is more difficult and expensive to the US taxpayer.

Personally I would prefer fining and legalising, but that doesn't seem to be an alternative that first world populations want.
 
Henrin said:
Considering they encouraged their citizens to break US law they should be happy they aren't getting a bomb up their ass.
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I was watching Foreign Correspondent just recently and it was suggested that at any given time, there can be anything up to two million Americans, living, working and on vacation in Mexico. I doubt that any sane person (Government authorities included) would ever support such an extreme act that would result in the deliberate murder of their own citizens.
 
PoS said:
Yes, but the way its worded, it pretty much means that the US can deport anybody to Mexico regardless of how they got in.
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That falls under the "tough ****" category

Mexico laughingly expidited the flood of OTM's through mexico and now its catching up with them
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
https://cdn.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/20120917/massdeport1.pdf
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Sorry, I will not believe the tripe by such agenda driven organizations.

If someone wants optional entry to this country, part of the condition should be they get absolutely no benefits like SNAP, TANF, etc. If they cannot economically sustain themselves, they should not be allowed in. Exceptions can be made for some political refugees, but not just anyone wanting a better life.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Based on this study, the total state tax revenue attributable to immigrant workers was an
estimated $2.4 billion (about $860 million for naturalized citizens plus about $1.5 billion for
non-citizens). Balanced against incremental fiscal costs of $1.4 billion for education, health
care, and law enforcement, immigrants in Arizona generated a net 2004 fiscal contribution
of about $940 million toward services such as public safety, libraries, road maintenance,
and other areas.[/URL]

You missed it, they are not asking for help, they are helping themselves. Yer confusing Mexican workers with Syrian refugees. Beyond that, yer not interested in "helping" US citizens either.
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What about the jobs they are taking away from citizens?

I don't see that factored in...
 
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