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Meet the Creationist Helping to Change Arizona School Standards on Evolution

again how does that opinion change the fact that the loon in the OP does represent all conservatives/republicans?

No one said that loon represented all conservatives. My OP merely states that if you vote for cons this is part of their baggage you enable. You are just making up the rest.
 
This is part of the coalition they marry themselves to to get elected.

I never said they all believe in it. They do however empower it.

No one said that loon represented all conservatives. My OP merely states that if you vote for cons this is part of their baggage you enable. You are just making up the rest.

actually your OP does do that. you said the loon in the OP this another reason to not vote conservative. so this loon has to represent all conservatives and conservative values or your statment doesn't make sense.

If thats not how you feel then in the future you shouldnt say such things, no biggie mistakes happen ( i certainly make my share) but it is in fact what your op says. :shrug:
 
agreed.... its that reason ive been an independent for a long time now and will remain one for ever.....

I was originally going to keep my leaning/idealogical stance undisclosed, beause labels can get in the way and cause people to go into 'battle mode' before a conversation even kicks off, but I figured that My Berniecrat-ness would become so obvious the moment that I open my mouth on anything to do with income-inequality and the economy that it might come off as an attempt at being deceptive.

Party-wise, I claim no affliation, because I don't want anyone to think that the Democratic party, as it currently is, is represenative of me. Functionally speaking, hoever, I have found little-to-no reason to vote Republican, given that I'm to the left of the Democrats. I like the idea of voting a split-ticket, I just can't remember the last time that I could say that I did that.
 
I was originally going to keep my leaning/idealogical stance undisclosed, beause labels can get in the way and cause people to go into 'battle mode' before a conversation even kicks off, but I figured that My Berniecrat-ness would become so obvious the moment that I open my mouth on anything to do with income-inequality and the economy that it might come off as an attempt at being deceptive.

Party-wise, I claim no affliation, because I don't want anyone to think that the Democratic party, as it currently is, is represenative of me. Functionally speaking, hoever, I have found little-to-no reason to vote Republican, given that I'm to the left of the Democrats. I like the idea of voting a split-ticket, I just can't remember the last time that I could say that I did that.

LOL nice . well theres nothing wrong with claiming a part please dont mistake what im saying... the problem is many people in or out of a party assume the label must mean certain things or claim if you feel definitely you arent really under that label.... its the most retarded and moronic thing that goes on with politics..... monumentally dishonest and illogical... its preschool mentality

for me on a presidential level i tend too vote left or independent mostly, or at least thats my voting history but there are times i could have voted right but it didnt come to that option

on a state and local level i vote every where because state and local tend to be less partisan.... and many hot topic issues dont matter at the local level....
 
Do they think Jesus rode on the back of Dinosaurs?.....Arizona sound infected with the same ignorant beliefs the Texas school board has

Had he kept a pack of velociraptors as pets he could have used them to attack the Romans and avoided death......
 
I was originally going to keep my leaning/idealogical stance undisclosed, beause labels can get in the way and cause people to go into 'battle mode' before a conversation even kicks off, but I figured that My Berniecrat-ness would become so obvious the moment that I open my mouth on anything to do with income-inequality and the economy that it might come off as an attempt at being deceptive.

Party-wise, I claim no affliation, because I don't want anyone to think that the Democratic party, as it currently is, is represenative of me. Functionally speaking, hoever, I have found little-to-no reason to vote Republican, given that I'm to the left of the Democrats. I like the idea of voting a split-ticket, I just can't remember the last time that I could say that I did that.

I've voted a split ticket all my life, based upon individuals and specific issues. Both the GOP and DNC, as they are currently structured, can kiss my feathered owl ass. Clearly, I'll be voting democratic in the mid-terms, hoping against hope that with a democratic majority in congress, congress will again takes its mandate for Executive Oversight seriously... at least until a democratic president is elected.

Bottom line, politicians suck.
 
One more reason not to vote conservative.

Meet the Creationist Helping to Change Arizona School Standards on Evolution

Arizona Superintendent Diane Douglas tapped a young-earth creationist to serve last month on a committee tasked with revising the state's science curriculum standards on evolution.

Kezele teaches biology at Arizona Christian University in Phoenix. He advocates teaching his version of "established, real science" in classrooms.

He argued that scientific evidence supports his creationist ideas, including the claims that the Earth is only 6,000 years old and that dinosaurs were on board Noah's Ark.​

As we say.....DICK....HEAD
 
I've voted a split ticket all my life, based upon individuals and specific issues. Both the GOP and DNC, as they are currently structured, can kiss my feathered owl ass. Clearly, I'll be voting democratic in the mid-terms, hoping against hope that with a democratic majority in congress, congress will again takes its mandate for Executive Oversight seriously... at least until a democratic president is elected.

Bottom line, politicians suck.

I voted for Jill Stein in the last election (I know that I said I hadn't ever voted a split ticket, but I was specifically thinking of the Republicans when I said that) and I don't regret it, but I'll be voting to flip Congress during the mid-term. It's time to put my anti-establishment ambitions on hold for a bit.
 
One more reason not to vote conservative.

Meet the Creationist Helping to Change Arizona School Standards on Evolution

Arizona Superintendent Diane Douglas tapped a young-earth creationist to serve last month on a committee tasked with revising the state's science curriculum standards on evolution.

Kezele teaches biology at Arizona Christian University in Phoenix. He advocates teaching his version of "established, real science" in classrooms.

He argued that scientific evidence supports his creationist ideas, including the claims that the Earth is only 6,000 years old and that dinosaurs were on board Noah's Ark.​


This is a joke, right? Please!
 
I voted for Jill Stein in the last election (I know that I said I hadn't ever voted a split ticket, but I was specifically thinking of the Republicans when I said that) and I don't regret it, but I'll be voting to flip Congress during the mid-term. It's time to put my anti-establishment ambitions on hold for a bit.

I've lived long enough to remember when lynching blacks and assassinating a president, a presidential candidate and a civil rights leader was "just part of the democratic process", and also I lived through a VietNam War where our government routinely lied to us "for our own good" was acceptable at the highest levels. If younger people cannot see at this time that a long-term solution to the "USA leadership problem" is a global concern to our enemies presents a clear and present danger to our children's way of life, then the future of our country is at a risk not fathomed in my lifetime.

BTW, Jill Stein was every bit the Russia/Putin puppet that Flynn was. Seriously, the USA is being attacked from within by those who seek only power, not principle. You are young; you are able to research the past and recognize the warning signs, the danger of what our current administration, our current representatives are thrusting upon us for their own greed and lust for power. This is seriously a turning point in global history. Our nation is in jeopardy, the entire western alliance is in jeopardy, and all this goes far beyond the idiotic GOP/DNC food fight. We are all being manipulated toward the long game, global power structure by Russia, China and North Korea to divide the western alliances and take over economic and military control of the planet.

I will likely not be here when the long-term plan is effected; it's up to your generation to recognize it, protest it, and stop it. God speed to you all.
 
Teaching creationism in the class room is fine if it is in Comparative Religion. Even that I am a atheist, I hope someone understands the Christian creationism within the United States. Just having creationism only, you are cheating your students to the real facts.
 
"He argued that scientific evidence supports his creationist ideas, including the claims that the Earth is only 6,000 years old and that dinosaurs were on board Noah's Ark."

Oh good, there goes the education in Arizona. Sigh...

One of the reasons why people are leaving organized religion.
 
This is a joke, right? Please!

This belief comes from the doctrine that everything in the Bible is literal truth, right down to the World having been created in 6 24-hour days. Kind of makes it simple to look at the world through that kind of lens. You don't have to think so much, or be educated.

I've studied geology & paleontology & a) there's no possibility that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, and that b) man cohabited with the dinosaurs. Genesis is just a re-telling of very old Mesopotamian folk narratives. There is no physical evidence linking the Genesis version with reality.

If you want to sample what these 'true believers' believe, watch her documentary film Friends of God: A Road Trip with Alexandra Pelosi Along the main highways are innumerable signs that say 'Evolution is Science Fiction.'
 
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"He argued that scientific evidence supports his creationist ideas, including the claims that the Earth is only 6,000 years old and that dinosaurs were on board Noah's Ark."

Oh good, there goes the education in Arizona. Sigh...

Education in AZ has been gone for a long time now. The voters will keep voting for the "R" on the ballot there, and get was they deserve.
 
Education in AZ has been gone for a long time now. The voters will keep voting for the "R" on the ballot there, and get was they deserve.

Yes and no, we still end up with the consequence.

Another generation of complete idiots who think the world is 6000 'ish years old, and that somehow penguins and kangaroos (examples) marched 1000s of miles to get onto a boat along side dinosaurs all standing next to a 600 year old man to avoid a flood (which by the way Noah's age really eats into the age of the world bit.)

We can no longer be timid and passive about attempts to literally create generations of morons, who will in turn go out into society thinking this garbage pretending to be educated.

We have to assert what science tells us, that will all fly in the face of bronze age myths.
 
One more reason not to vote conservative.

Meet the Creationist Helping to Change Arizona School Standards on Evolution

Arizona Superintendent Diane Douglas tapped a young-earth creationist to serve last month on a committee tasked with revising the state's science curriculum standards on evolution.

Kezele teaches biology at Arizona Christian University in Phoenix. He advocates teaching his version of "established, real science" in classrooms.

He argued that scientific evidence supports his creationist ideas, including the claims that the Earth is only 6,000 years old and that dinosaurs were on board Noah's Ark.​

The good news is that Diane Douglas, the moron finished in 3rd in the primary, both the republican and democrat candidate are against creationism being taught in public school, so this young earth clown will become a distant memory soon enough.
 
This is unbelievably regressive and should be fought with every ounce this country has. Creationism is a threat to mankind, has no basis in evidence and ought to be dismissed.

I am an atheist but believe religion is not something to be taken literally; that's a lesson everyone could use.
 
actually your OP does do that. you said the loon in the OP this another reason to not vote conservative. so this loon has to represent all conservatives and conservative values or your statment doesn't make sense.

If thats not how you feel then in the future you shouldnt say such things, no biggie mistakes happen ( i certainly make my share) but it is in fact what your op says. :shrug:

My OP doesn't say any of that. It says do not vote conservative because this is what comes WITH them. I didn't say it was them. But you keep on going in circles like we know you will do.
 
My OP doesn't say any of that. It says do not vote conservative because this is what comes WITH them. I didn't say it was them. But you keep on going in circles like we know you will do.

yes based on English it factually does, in fact you just said the same thing AGAIN LMAO
theres no changing this fact its in writing in the OP. You can post with integrity and honesty and claim you mean something different or you made a mistake but theres no argument about what it says.

Fact remains you said the loon in the OP this another reason to not vote conservative. so this loon has to represent all conservatives and conservative values or your statment doesn't make sense.... if you disagree prove otherwise.... you may not have meant to say it but its what your op says.
 
yes based on English it factually does, in fact you just said the same thing AGAIN LMAO
theres no changing this fact its in writing in the OP. You can post with integrity and honesty and claim you mean something different or you made a mistake but theres no argument about what it says.

Fact remains you said the loon in the OP this another reason to not vote conservative. so this loon has to represent all conservatives and conservative values or your statment doesn't make sense.... if you disagree prove otherwise.... you may not have meant to say it but its what your op says.

My entire OP writing.

One more reason not to vote conservative.

what does voting conservative have to do with this nutter? he doesnt speak for them or represent them. The vast majority of conservatives i know do not believe retardation like that nor would they support it.... :shrug:

Nowhere in there did I say nor imply that he spoke for all conservatives. You clearly have serious reading comprehension issues.
 
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Nope... No joke. She lost her primary and appointed this nut as a parting shot on the way out of office. Something she most likely wouldn't have done if she won her primary and had to face a challenger this November.
 
My entire OP writing.





Nowhere in there did I say nor imply that he spoke for all conservatives. You clearly have serious reading comprehension issues.
LMAO sweet irony . . please tell me more about this comprehension you speak of :lamo

thank you for posting the prove that you grouped all conservatives together

again based on the rules of English and the definitions of words you factually did.
Fact remains you said the loon in the OP this another reason to not vote conservative. so this loon has to represent all conservatives and conservative values or your statement doesn't make sense.... if you disagree prove otherwise.... you may not have meant to say it but its what your op says.

if you didnt mean all conservatives you would have to say another reasons not to vote for THIS or THAT conservative . .you said conservative . .which would mean the group. Facts prove you wrong.

these are your options:
A.) post with integrity and honesty and admit you misspoke and you didnt mean to say what you actually said
B.) continue to lie or show ignorance and deny what you said while i continue to destroy each of your false claims and point out the fact of what the OP says in plain English

your choice :)
 
LMAO sweet irony . . please tell me more about this comprehension you speak of :lamo

thank you for posting the prove that you grouped all conservatives together

again based on the rules of English and the definitions of words you factually did.
Fact remains you said the loon in the OP this another reason to not vote conservative. so this loon has to represent all conservatives and conservative values or your statement doesn't make sense.... if you disagree prove otherwise.... you may not have meant to say it but its what your op says.

if you didnt mean all conservatives you would have to say another reasons not to vote for THIS or THAT conservative . .you said conservative . .which would mean the group. Facts prove you wrong.

these are your options:
A.) post with integrity and honesty and admit you misspoke and you didnt mean to say what you actually said
B.) continue to lie or show ignorance and deny what you said while i continue to destroy each of your false claims and point out the fact of what the OP says in plain English

your choice :)

Your post gives the impression that there is a sizeable percentage of conservative atheists who are running for office.
 
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