McConnell says Trump will sign funding bill, declare a national emergency

[sjmay]

The news stories sbow that no one was allowed to cross legally. when they approached officers and requested asylum they were immediately detained as illegal.

It was called zero tolerance, and the same policy continued even after it had supposedly been stopped.

Hard to get any information on legal Immigrants when EVERYONE that showed up was processed as illegal...

Cite one please, please link it, like I said, I did a search, couldn't find one story where someone crossed at a legal port of entry, asked for asylum, then was arrested and detained based on asking for asylum.

You clearly have found one I believe, so link it please.

 

[GDViking]

And you just make **** up. Walls work. Ask the drug smugglers funneling drugs right into border check points whether they'd like those walls taken down...

The border is open enough to allow whole people into the country undetected, and you want to argue that nobody on the other side of the border had considered strapping drugs to those border jumpers? :roll:

Also, spare me your phony concern about the national budget. You all spent 8 years not giving a **** about it... now suddenly $5 billion is harmful? Who do you think you are fooling?

Yah maybe you have guys like cheech and chong trying to sneak a gunny sack full of buds across the border

However you are not going to even slow anything down with a wall..

Hell I used to know a week in advance when things were going to bit our shores or wherever, I just.new when to expect it. And the only border I'm close to is the Canadian border.

Things are far more organized than people crossing a desert with backpacks...

 

[GDViking]

They are equivalent. Explain to me how foreign wars constitute a national emergency... and do so without claiming threats that aren't already happening on the southern border.

It's been explained several times but I will tolerate your lack of reading comprehension one more time.

There were credible terrorist threats,or hot beds.

Defunding terrorists used to be a good thing.

 

[GDViking]

Cite one please, please link it, like I said, I did a search, couldn't find one story where someone crossed at a legal port of entry, asked for asylum, then was arrested and detained based on asking for asylum.

You clearly have found one I believe, so link it please.

I read a bunch and as I said all were treated as illegals,so finding an example is not possible as from what I can tell one were treated as legal.

But here is one to read.

Families Are Still Being Separated at the Border, Months After “Zero Tolerance” Was Reversed

 

[GDViking]

Oh fantastic! Then you are the one that can explain why Obama's 13 declarations that had NOTHING to do with America, or safety of America were so meaningful, and a NE actually aimed at the national security of the United States is not....

How many times do you need it spelled out for you?

Read the thread your commenting on before asking questions that have been answered many times

 

[j brown's body]

Cite one please, please link it, like I said, I did a search, couldn't find one story where someone crossed at a legal port of entry, asked for asylum, then was arrested and detained based on asking for asylum.

You clearly have found one I believe, so link it please.

Doncha hate it when desperate people seeking asylum just won't follow directions?

 

[Objective Voice]

Here'''s a list of the 31 national emergencies that have been in effect for years - ABC News

Your weak attempt at equivalency is a bucket of fail.

Agreed. For if anyone whose is attempting to compare former Pres. Obama's 13 national emergency declarations to this one being made by Pres. Trump today, what they'll discover is each of Obama's 13 national emergency declaration were to impose economic sanctions on a foreign government or individual belonging to a foreign country for violating U.S. or international laws. Not one of those EO's diverted domestic dollars from federal agencies to fulfill a domestic agenda/campaign promise. I've read through all 12 of them; they're all boiler plated - the headings were changed for each EO, but with the exception of the details pertaining to that particular country/situation, the content remained relatively the same.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Well well well, whaddya know, Trump doesn't even think it's a national emergency after all!!

DoJ lawyers watching this who will have to defend the emergency decree:

 

[sjmay]

I read a bunch and as I said all were treated as illegals,so finding an example is not possible as from what I can tell one were treated as legal.

But here is one to read.

Families Are Still Being Separated at the Border, Months After “Zero Tolerance” Was Reversed

I read it, and it says nothing about legally crossing and claiming asylum, then being separated, it does however say that they crossed illegally, and were separated.

That's a major distinction, is it not?

 

[sjmay]

Doncha hate it when desperate people seeking asylum just won't follow directions?

I hate it when everyone doesn't follow directions, but that's just me....

So they are seeking asylum, in fact, the one instance, he was being persecuted in El Savador....he felt it was dire enough that even, 1,200 miles away or whatever it is, he felt it better to break the law, than to wait his turn? What, did they follow him up on the trail?

 

[Jack Hays]

Those loser states fired the first shots.
If Trump keeps committing acts of war against California, Washington, Oregon, New York, and other wealthy blue states, pretty soon he will have to borrow more money from the Chinese to pay for his war, should the shooting start.
Never forget, it was wealthy BLUE states that put down the insurrection down South.

Now it appears that the "taker" red states think that they can enforce their takings WHILE simultaneously threatening enforced penury on those same wealthy blue states by withholding federal aid.

Your argument fails badly, so I recommend you ditch this one and try another one somewhere else, because you seem to be on a losing streak and 0-3 looks bad on you.
Stick to harassing climate change people.

Sorry, but I don't respond to irrational rants.

 

[Objective Voice]

Well well well, whaddya know, Trump doesn't even think it's a national emergency after all!!

DoJ lawyers watching this who will have to defend the emergency decree:

I heard that, too. It's precisely where I got his rational for declaring a national emergency from "I did this for expediency". Yes, he has the power to do this, but he doesn't have the justification to do this. Congress needs to act to stop this foolishness which is both a personal ego trip and an abuse of executive power.

Trump is gambling that even when he does this he'll eventually win in the Supreme Court because it's majority conservative. God help us if the highest court in the land allows dictatorship to be upheld.

(BTW: Those on the right who support Trump's action or his use of executive orders, listen to this from your leader's own mouth! Our nation's 45th president is a liar, a con-man and a big hypocrite.)

[video]https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/trump-hated-executive-actions-until-he-became-president/2019/02/15/40f69f4a-af73-4e07-b425-c7a6220717c5_video.html[/video]

 

[sjmay]

I heard that, too. It's precisely where I got his rational for declaring a national emergency from "I did this for expediency". Yes, he has the power to do this, but he doesn't have the justification to do this. Congress needs to act to stop this foolishness which is both a personal ego trip and an abuse of executive power.

Trump is gambling that even when he does this he'll eventually win in the Supreme Court because it majority conservative. God help us if the highest court in the land allows dictatorship to be upheld.

(BTW: Those on the right who support Trump's action or his use of executive orders, listen to this from your leader's own mouth!)

[video]https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/trump-hated-executive-actions-until-he-became-president/2019/02/15/40f69f4a-af73-4e07-b425-c7a6220717c5_video.html[/video]

As soon as he said, I don't have to do this, I am doing it anyways for expediency (paraphrased) I think he lost any chance of having a court uphold it....

You can't declare something an emergency, and then say, well, I don't have to do it....if you don't have to do it, then it's not an emergency, he sunk it himself right there.

 

[Objective Voice]

As soon as he said, I don't have to do this, I am doing it anyways for expediency (paraphrased) I think he lost any chance of having a court uphold it....

You can't declare something an emergency, and then say, well, I don't have to do it....if you don't have to do it, then it's not an emergency, he sunk it himself right there.

Exactly!

 

[ElChupacabra]

The beauty of this national emergency ploy is Trump gets a way out of not delivering anything. He can get take credit for the sections that are being built via previous funding and blame the progress on Democrats and the courts.

 

[Top Cat]

They are equivalent. Explain to me how foreign wars constitute a national emergency... and do so without claiming threats that aren't already happening on the southern border.

They are sanctions. No money was dierted. And this wasn't about a tantrum or because he failed at getting legislation. Not the same. Not even close.

 

[Top Cat]

The beauty of this national emergency ploy is Trump gets a way out of not delivering anything. He can get take credit for the sections that are being built via previous funding and blame the progress on Democrats and the courts.

And look like the failure that he is.

 

[sjmay]

They are sanctions. No money was dierted. And this wasn't about a tantrum or because he failed at getting legislation. Not the same. Not even close.

No, that was DACA

 

[jghiretire]

Trump has no choice but to go national emergency, the democrats put so many restrictions in the bill that it does no good for securing the border and pretty much prohibits any wall can get built. Dems didn't negotiate in good faith they just did and "end run" around the agreements in the bill.

Unless you get everything you want, the Dems aren't negotiating in good faith?? So when the GOP did end runs around Obama ......uh what was that?? Just saving the country???

 

[cpwill]

So let's take Obama out of the conversation, because you agreed he didn't declare a fake national emergency to deal with DACA. We aren't talking about the same thing.

There is no national emergency at the border. This is Trump trying to fulfill a campaign promise.

I agree there is no Emergency at the border, and this is an abuse of Emergency powers. It may be legal, but still wrong.

However, if someone suggests (as someone did) that it's somehow a greater abuse of Executive authority than anything Obama did, then I'm going to point out that that is incorrect.

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[tres borrachos]

I agree there is no Emergency at the border, and this is an abuse of Emergency powers. It may be legal, but still wrong.

However, if someone suggests (as someone did) that it's somehow a greater abuse of Executive authority than anything Obama did, then I'm going to point out that that is incorrect.

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I agree with your first part. Could be legal, I don't know. I don't even play a lawyer on TV.

As far as Obama, I struggle to understand what he has to do with this or why he's relevant. "Johnny did it first" never flew with me when my kids tried it. It doesn't fly with me when adults do it.

 

[cpwill]

Overall this seems like a lose-lose move for Republicans. Democrats are guaranteed to challenge the emergency declaration in court. If the courts decide Trump can't do this, it's another embarrassing black eye for Trump and the Republican party. If the courts decide it's okay, then that opens up the doors for future Democratic presidents to declare national emergencies to deal with similar "slow burn" issues like gun violence or climate change.

I'm kind of surprised we aren't seeing more Republicans outspokenly against this idea, especially given how little most of them seem to care about Trump's wall.

We've seen a number of GOP Senators oppose it, I think. Not enough, agreed, but there is opposition there.

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[cpwill]

I agree with your first part. Could be legal, I don't know. I don't even play a lawyer on TV.

As far as Obama, I struggle to understand what he has to do with this or why he's relevant. "Johnny did it first" never flew with me when my kids tried it. It doesn't fly with me when adults do it.

It's relevant for a couple of reasons

1. Obama set some major precedents for expansion of Executive Authority.
2. It was claimed that he hadn't, and I simply pointed out that, in fact, he has done worse.

2.5 it lets us know whose complaints should be taken seriously. If an Imperial executive is only a problem for you when it's The Other Guy, then your problem isn't actually with the abuse of power.

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[tres borrachos]

It's relevant for a couple of reasons

1. Obama set some major precedents for expansion of Executive Authority.
2. It was claimed that he hadn't, and I simply pointed out that, in fact, he has done worse.

2.5 it lets us know whose complaints should be taken seriously. If an Imperial executive is only a problem for you when it's The Other Guy, then your problem isn't actually with the abuse of power.

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1. Yes. He issued EOs. And so has Trump. But this isn't an EO. It's a fake National Emergency declaration.
2. Not sure who the "he" is you're talking about who has "done worse" (who has done worse than who?)

 

[sjmay]

It's relevant for a couple of reasons

1. Obama set some major precedents for expansion of Executive Authority.
2. It was claimed that he hadn't, and I simply pointed out that, in fact, he has done worse.

2.5 it lets us know whose complaints should be taken seriously. If an Imperial executive is only a problem for you when it's The Other Guy, then your problem isn't actually with the abuse of power.

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I fear that with 2.5 you just killed an entire section of the population without even knowing it......