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McConnell blocks bill to reopen most of government

The Senate, and President Trump, should be on the record regarding ending this government shutdown, or continuing it.

Trump can take the same chance that every President takes when vetoing a bill, that it will be over-ridden by Congress.

And you wonder why Congress doesn't work. It's because of critters like McConnell who are willing to crap all over government employees in order to protect Trump from himself.

There is a situation right now where the only thing holding up passage of a budget is $5B funding for border security including a section of wall. Democrats are unwilling to offer that funding. They are unwilling to do so even though there are already 600 miles of wall on the border. They are unwilling to do so even though they have approved funds for building a wall in prior bills. The are unwilling even though doing so will get them what they want as far as DACA resolutions go.

There is a reason Democrats are opposed to funding the wall. It's because doing so will be seen as them giving in to a Trump demand that he's already watered down from $25 billion to $5 billion. It's Democrats not taking "yes" for an answer because it might offend their base.

It's a case of Democrats putting the desires of their party over the needs of the American people...and immigrants they claim to support.
 
Are you a troll?

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...ose-spending-more-than-16b-on-border-security

The Senate passed $1.6 billion in wall funding in its Homeland Security appropriations bill, in line with the White House’s original request. But Trump has since upped the ante to $5 billion, an amount the House included in its version of the spending bill.
JFC! You do nto have a point.


Are you really not paying attention to what was said? You must be to ask if another person is trolling.

That in no way refutes what I stated.



Again.
They need to come to the table and negotiate.
 
I cannot figure out what realistic basis McConnell has to block these votes. The Senate doesn't work for the President. Hold the votes and if they pass, the President can veto them.

With that said, I obviously understand the political reason McConnell is blocking the vote, but still.
He is following precedent set by his predecessor, harry Reid.

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Harry Reid’s reign of paralysis

By*Jennifer Rubin

August 4, 2014

Senate Democrats have a number of arguments for keeping themselves in the majority:*The war on women. (They believe there is one and are against it.)*Impeachment.*Republicans are racists. Republicans are obstructionist.

[https://img]Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) speaks to reporters on Capitol Hill on July 29. (J. Scott Applewhite/Associated Press)

Aside from being entirely made up by Democratic consultants who think Americans are dolts, these “arguments” for the Democrats’ reelection share*a common feature. They are all arguments*against*the Republicans. But what is the argument for the continued reign of*Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid*(D-Nev.) and a Democratic majority?
The Senate has not voted on jobs bills sent by the House, any “fix” for Obamacare or a domestic energy development bill. The Senate will not take up a real vote on the Keystone XL pipeline. It will not take up Iran sanctions. It did pass Veterans Affairs legislation and Iron Dome funding, not exactly difficult votes. Other than that, not much of consequence has gone on in the Senate, but not because of Republican objections. The GOP would love to take up many of these subjects, debate them and offer amendments; it is Reid who either won’t take up meaty issues or won’t allow any minority amendments, a practice he has taken further than any modern Senate leader. Speaking to the press on Tuesday, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said succinctly: “Well, if you look at the last six years, the president and his people, I think, believed they got just about everything they wanted legislatively the first two years.”
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In essence, the Senate has become an adjunct of the White House.*Reid’s side*comes up with no innovative (or even non-innovative) initiatives of its own and doesn’t allow any from the GOP. It*changed the Senate rules*to rubber-stamp Obama appointees and won’t allow votes on things that will make the White House uncomfortable. It is not that the Senate has been unproductive; that would be an improvement. Rather, it has been counterproductive time and again. It propagates nasty partisanship. “The Senate majority did not want the president to be challenged on anything, which of course leaves him free to pursue his agenda through the bureaucracy, all of whom work for him,” McConnell said. He pointed out, “And of course that serves the president’s purpose because it gives him a Congress to run against and it gives him the freedom of his bureaucrats to pursue his agenda, largely unimpeded by the kind of restrictions on the spending process that Congress would normally write in to appropriation bills if they ever passed them.”




https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...ds-reign-of-paralysis/?utm_term=.7fa2684f8425



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You guys have short memories

Reid did the exact same thing in the Senate

Held bills from ever getting to floor of senate....
BINGO!

Democrats celebrated it when Reid did it and they ignored the warnings of what the Republicans would do when they held both the Senate and the WH. I dont blame them for complaining about it because I do agree that they should vote on the Bill's but I'm not very empathetic to them. They are a bunch of hypocrites who are not making a principled argument but rather one that is rooted in political convenience. Boo-frigging-hoo

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So you agree with the tactic or...?
I dont agree with it but if one side is going to engage in it than it's fair for the other side to do it too.

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So you agree with the tactic Reid used then right? Myself, I didn't which is why I didn't vote for Reid.

You seem to think because person A does something wrong that is makes it right for person B to do the same thing. There are plenty of people that get away with crime, does that make it somehow right for you to commit crimes?
We are not talking about crimes. If the Senate wants to pass a rule that neither side can do it I support that but I'm not gonna object to one side doing it and than complaining about it being done back to them. Live by the sword, die by it.

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You guys have short memories

Reid did the exact same thing in the Senate

Held bills from ever getting to floor of senate....

He is following precedent set by his predecessor, harry Reid.

I cannot recall Reid ever prolonging a shutdown by refusing to entertain bills to re-open the government. Additionally, I cannot recall Reid blocking bills that could potentially overwhelmingly pass the Senate with a potential veto proof majority.

If you can provide evidence, that would be great. Otherwise, a failed attempt.
 
I cannot recall Reid ever prolonging a shutdown by refusing to entertain bills to re-open the government. Additionally, I cannot recall Reid blocking bills that could potentially overwhelmingly pass the Senate with a potential veto proof majority.

If you can provide evidence, that would be great. Otherwise, a failed attempt.


I dont recall the Republicans ever putting Obama in the position that the Democrats have put Trump in either. Feel free to provide evidence of that.

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I cannot recall Reid ever prolonging a shutdown by refusing to entertain bills to re-open the government. Additionally, I cannot recall Reid blocking bills that could potentially overwhelmingly pass the Senate with a potential veto proof majority.

If you can provide evidence, that would be great. Otherwise, a failed attempt.

If that were true re: a veto proof majority then they could just as easily remove McConnel as majority leader and move forward.
 
It makes little sense for McConnell to entertain a bill which will be vetoed and will not have the votes to overturn that veto. If you prefer to have the political spectacle of Trump vetoing bills to elected officials actually hashing out a way to get this impasse resolved then, frankly, you're more the problem than Trump or McConnell is.

So then you agree that what Reid did then by not bringing house bills to a vote was the right thing then correct?
 
McConnell blocks bill to reopen most of government

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GOP Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.



Two Republicans are entirely responsible for this continuing government shutdown ..... Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell.

Senator Kaine of Virginia will ask for a Senate vote on a House government funding bill (6 CRs) on the 18th (today), the 22nd, the 23rd, and the 24th.

That's at least four more Senate opportunities within the coming week for Trump and McConnell to end their record-breaking government shutdown that is now directly affecting 1 million Americans.

Related: McConnell blocks second bill aimed at reopening the government
Nope, as usual the Dems are at fault. It's been made pretty clear to them that no bill will be considered that lacks funding for a wall. Trump called some GOP and Dem legislators to the WH the other day. Not a single Dem showed up. Pelosi tried to sneak out of the country on a "fact finding trip". Dems refuse to talk - the ball's in their court and all the mindless worship/Trumpophobia in the world won't change that equation.
 
Hold the votes and if they pass, the President can veto them.

They will pass, AND after Trump vetoes them the veto will be overridden. Which will be an ABSOLUTE nightmare for McConnell and the GOP.

If that happened there a chance the Republican party will split in 2020. The far right Nationalists of the current Republican party might run their own candidate in 2020, Trump or someone like Trump, and that will be the end of the GOP as we know it.

The GOP doesn't want to close the borders, they never have. Their big business donors like immigrants and cheap labor. And when these bills get passed by the Republican Senate and the veto over turned that will be so obvious the GOP will no longer be able to lie to their White Nationalist base.
 
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So then you agree that what Reid did then by not bringing house bills to a vote was the right thing then correct?

You're talking about the Obamacare repeal bills, I presume? Yeah, Reid was justified in that. While I fully supported repeal then, as I do now, I also knew that it wasn't going to happen. I really dislike propaganda politics.
 
I dont recall the Republicans ever putting Obama in the position that the Democrats have put Trump in either.
You mean having the House, the Senate and the Presidency and still be unable to keep the government open? Is that what you mean?

How exactly did the Democrats keep the Republicans, who held all three branches, from passing a budget or even a CR? Is there truly no depth to which Trump supporters will sink to fabricate narratives?
They will pass, AND after Trump vetoes them the veto will be overridden. Which will be an ABSOLUTE nightmare for McConnell and the GOP.

If that happened there a chance the Republican party will split in 2020. The far right Nationalists of the current Republican party might run their own candidate in 2020, Trump or someone like Trump, and that will be the end of the GOP as we know it.

The GOP doesn't want to close the borders, they never have. Their big business donors like immigrants and cheap labor. And when these bills get passed by the Republican Senate and the veto over turned that will be so obvious the GOP will no longer be able to lie to their White Nationalist base.
I think everything you said here is correct.
 
Nope, as usual the Dems are at fault. It's been made pretty clear to them that no bill will be considered that lacks funding for a wall. Trump called some GOP and Dem legislators to the WH the other day. Not a single Dem showed up. Pelosi tried to sneak out of the country on a "fact finding trip". Dems refuse to talk - the ball's in their court and all the mindless worship/Trumpophobia in the world won't change that equation.

you just made the argument that Trump is at fault. The fact Trump says he won't sign any bill without wall funding just shows he's to blame. He can't get his pet project, so he's holding the budget hostage. Trump is not a dictator who gets to dictate what Congress does.
 
you just made the argument that Trump is at fault. The fact Trump says he won't sign any bill without wall funding just shows he's to blame. He can't get his pet project, so he's holding the budget hostage. Trump is not a dictator who gets to dictate what Congress does.

And Congress doesn’t get to demand Presidential rubber stamps. So it needs to compromise with the President to reopen the government as it previously has in other shutdowns. Trump initiated the shutdown. Congress perpetuates it.
 
You guys have short memories

Reid did the exact same thing in the Senate

Held bills from ever getting to floor of senate....

Reid held up bills, that would have stopped a government shutdown?

Link?
 
:lamo

You didn't refute anything I said - because you can not.

Again.
They need to come to the table and negotiate.

Negotiate is the last thing they ought to do as long as the government is shut down. When you reward someone for taking a hostage, you encourage more hostage taking. The best course of action for democrats is to keep sending the same bill to reopen the government to the Senate, and let the Senate or the president decide not to do so. This keeps the shutdown squarely on the shoulders of the president.
 
And Congress doesn’t get to demand Presidential rubber stamps. So it needs to compromise with the President to reopen the government as it previously has in other shutdowns. Trump initiated the shutdown. Congress perpetuates it.

Congress should do nothing until Trump approves a spending bill to reopen the government. After that, he can negotiate for whatever he wants. Using a shutdown as leverage to get his way cannot be rewarded.
 
Congress should do nothing until Trump approves a spending bill to reopen the government. After that, he can negotiate for whatever he wants. Using a shutdown as leverage to get his way cannot be rewarded.

It’s been “rewarded” since the 80s, but I’m just as satisfied watching this government whither and die for lack of funding. Life goes on without Federal government. The Capitol police should abandon them and those employees being forced to work without pay should refuse to process Congressional paychecks.
 
So you agree with the tactic Reid used then right? Myself, I didn't which is why I didn't vote for Reid.

You seem to think because person A does something wrong that is makes it right for person B to do the same thing. There are plenty of people that get away with crime, does that make it somehow right for you to commit crimes?

In order to stop something awful, sometimes one has to get their hands dirty.

General Order No. 252
 
In order to stop something awful, sometimes one has to get their hands dirty.

General Order No. 252

So everything that Trump has done wrong and abused his powers with, you will excuse a Dem president to do the same thing. Got it, good for you con.
 
In order to stop something awful, sometimes one has to get their hands dirty.

General Order No. 252

And when you reserve the right to redefine 'awful' to suit whatever it is you're trying to do, you have now become a criminal.
 
So everything that Trump has done wrong and abused his powers with, you will excuse a Dem president to do the same thing. Got it, good for you con.

If a dem would protect americans then not many would have a problem with them...No you dont got it...
 
And when you reserve the right to redefine 'awful' to suit whatever it is you're trying to do, you have now become a criminal.

Protecting americans is not awful....But it seems one has to deal with awful people to do so sometimes.
 
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