McConnell blocks bill to reopen most of government

[Praxas]

If a dem would protect americans then not many would have a problem with them...No you dont got it...

That's easy, the next Dem president can just declare an emergency due to health care and PROTECT AMERICANS by implementing single payer. Thank you for the suggestion con!

 

[akyron]

After that, he can negotiate for whatever he wants.

Foolishness on its face.

 

[akyron]

That's easy, the next Dem president can just declare an emergency due to health care and PROTECT AMERICANS by implementing single payer. Thank you for the suggestion con!

Already happened.....Im ok with it. thats the job.

President Obama has declared the swine flu outbreak a national emergency, allowing hospitals and local governments to speedily set up alternate sites for treatment and triage procedures if needed to handle any surge of patients, the White House said on Saturday.

 

[Praxas]

Already happened.....Im ok with it. thats the job.

President Obama has declared the swine flu outbreak a national emergency, allowing hospitals and local governments to speedily set up alternate sites for treatment and triage procedures if needed to handle any surge of patients, the White House said on Saturday.

Single payer here we come, Akyron is in FULL Support of it since it will protect Americans. Thank you for your support!

 

[lwf]

Protecting americans is not awful....But it seems one has to deal with awful people to do so sometimes.

So by that definition, banning firearms would take immediate precedence over a border wall, correct? Since the number of Americans killed by illegal immigrants is about 0.3% of the number of Americans killed by firearms. If the goal here is to protect Americans, I mean.

So, we can certainly 'get our hands dirty' to prevent those firearms deaths, correct? Probably way dirtier than a simple government shutdown.

 

[Excon]

Negotiate is the last thing they ought to do as long as the government is shut down.

No.
And hostage taking is exaggerated nonsense.

This keeps the shutdown squarely on the shoulders of the president.

You are sorely mistaken.
It is on all their shoulders, especially Nancy's for refusing to negotiate.

 

[akyron]

Single payer here we come, Akyron is in FULL Support of it since it will protect Americans. Thank you for your support!

Silly. Congress already approved emergency actions.

Taking over more than 1/6th of the American economy would literally take...an act of congress..

 

[Nickyjo]

There is a situation right now where the only thing holding up passage of a budget is $5B funding for border security including a section of wall. Democrats are unwilling to offer that funding. They are unwilling to do so even though there are already 600 miles of wall on the border. They are unwilling to do so even though they have approved funds for building a wall in prior bills. The are unwilling even though doing so will get them what they want as far as DACA resolutions go.

There is a reason Democrats are opposed to funding the wall. It's because doing so will be seen as them giving in to a Trump demand that he's already watered down from $25 billion to $5 billion. It's Democrats not taking "yes" for an answer because it might offend their base.

It's a case of Democrats putting the desires of their party over the needs of the American people...and immigrants they claim to support.

So democrats are not taking "yes" for an answer cause it might offend their base. And Trump won't take yes for an answer cause it offends Coulter and Limbaugh. Trump could resolve the issue with his base easily. His supporters are not dumb as C & L seem to assume.

And can someone puleeze explain to me in language my fuzzy liberal brain can understand, just why we are shutting down the government because of a dispute over funding part of ONE (maybe) solution to a complex problem? Why would the president brag that he would take credit for the shutdown just because the part of Congress that initiates funding won't give him what he wants? Didnt he ever take a civics class? What was he thinking? (Apologies if he happens to pull this off.)

Btw, Pelosi had the best line in all this mess, "Maybe a beaded curtain..." (Baddabing! Nancy.)

 

[akyron]

So by that definition, banning firearms would take immediate precedence over a border wall, correct?

Why? The 2nd amendment is addressed in the legal founding documents of the land.

If you want to grab a weapon and step forth then that is your prerogative along with the consequences.

 

[trouble13]

You mean having the House, the Senate and the Presidency and still be unable to keep the government open? Is that what you mean?

How exactly did the Democrats keep the Republicans, who held all three branches, from passing a budget or even a CR? Is there truly no depth to which Trump supporters will sink to fabricate narratives?

I think everything you said here is correct.

You certainly like to twist words and even inject some to deflect from what was said and attempt to create your own fabrications.

You are desperately trying to pretend that what McConnell is doing is somehow different from what Reid did when he was the leader. It's the same now as it was then and it leaves a bitter taste in your mouths.

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[lwf]

Why? The 2nd amendment is addressed in the legal founding documents of the land.

If you want to grab a weapon and step forth then that is your prerogative along with the consequences.

You said it yourself:

In order to stop something awful, sometimes one has to get their hands dirty.

Why not strike the 2nd amendment if the goal is to protect Americans?

 

[Praxas]

Silly. Congress already approved emergency actions.

Taking over more than 1/6th of the American economy would literally take...an act of congress..

Nope you said as long as it protects American you are for it. Therefore emergency powers it is. Enjoy and good to know you fully support it.

 

[Helix]

it's a real shame that Trumpists didn't lose the senate. hopefully, the 2020 election will expel enough of them to flip it.

 

[Rogue Valley]

It's a case of Democrats putting the desires of their party over the needs of the American people...and immigrants they claim to support.

No, it's a case of Republicans being more terrified that Trump will primary them in 2020 if they vote no to his vanity wall campaign promise.

 

[Lutherf]

No, it's a case of Republicans being more terrified that Trump will primary them in 2020 if they vote no to his vanity wall campaign promise.

That "Trump will primary them"? That really isn't how things work. While Trump might support an opponent he doesn't get to pick who runs. That's the state GOP's job.

 

[Bullseye]

you just made the argument that Trump is at fault. The fact Trump says he won't sign any bill without wall funding just shows he's to blame. He can't get his pet project, so he's holding the budget hostage. Trump is not a dictator who gets to dictate what Congress does.

Sorry, no. I also said he invited Dems to the WH - they didn't show up; shows HE'S trying and the DEMS ARE BLOCKING.

 

[Slyfox696]

You certainly like to twist words and even inject some to deflect from what was said and attempt to create your own fabrications.

I think you may be projecting. I mentioned Mitch McConnell in my opening statement, you deflected to Harry Reid. I asked you for evidence to support your insinuation Reid and McConnell did similar things in similar situations and you deflected to something about Obama.

I think you have a guilty conscience and that is leading you to post some false statements. Perhaps you ought to reconsider your position in this thread before you reply again.

You are desperately trying to pretend that what McConnell is doing is somehow different from what Reid did when he was the leader.

It is, for reasons I've mentioned and you have been unable to impeach (longest shutdown, Repubs having all three branches, etc).

This isn't hard to understand for anyone intent on honest discussion.

 

[DiAnna]

McConnell blocks bill to reopen most of government

GOP Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.



Two Republicans are entirely responsible for this continuing government shutdown ..... Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell.

Senator Kaine of Virginia will ask for a Senate vote on a House government funding bill (6 CRs) on the 18th (today), the 22nd, the 23rd, and the 24th.

That's at least four more Senate opportunities within the coming week for Trump and McConnell to end their record-breaking government shutdown that is now directly affecting 1 million Americans.

Related: McConnell blocks second bill aimed at reopening the government

McConnell is such a damned prick.

 

[gdgyva]

I cannot recall Reid ever prolonging a shutdown by refusing to entertain bills to re-open the government. Additionally, I cannot recall Reid blocking bills that could potentially overwhelmingly pass the Senate with a potential veto proof majority.

If you can provide evidence, that would be great. Otherwise, a failed attempt.

Reid held bills on behest of Obama...period

Same as McConnell is doing

Just differences in legislation

 

[gdgyva]

Reid held up bills, that would have stopped a government shutdown?

Link?

Where did I say that? Don’t try to put words into my mouth

I said Reid held up bills from seeing the floor of the Senate....same as McConnell

And both did or are doing it at the will of their President

 

[gdgyva]

G

You mean having the House, the Senate and the Presidency and still be unable to keep the government open? Is that what you mean?

How exactly did the Democrats keep the Republicans, who held all three branches, from passing a budget or even a CR? Is there truly no depth to which Trump supporters will sink to fabricate narratives?

I think everything you said here is correct.

How is it all correct, when it starts with a fabrication

The bills will never see the senate floor....they won’t get voted on....they won’t get passed

Unless it has wall funding, nothing will.....

So the house can pass as many screwball bills as they like...Until it has what Trump wants in it, it won’t see daylight and the government stays closed

What the dems can do is decide if they want to negotiate for the wall, or tell their constituents it is going to be a long cold hungry winter

Those are the choices

 

[PLizzy]

G

How is it all correct, when it starts with a fabrication

The bills will never see the senate floor....they won’t get voted on....they won’t get passed

Unless it has wall funding, nothing will.....

So the house can pass as many screwball bills as they like...Until it has what Trump wants in it, it won’t see daylight and the government stays closed

What the dems can do is decide if they want to negotiate for the wall, or tell their constituents it is going to be a long cold hungry winter

Those are the choices

"Screwball bills"?

Those bills were passed by Republicans 97-3 just five weeks, so all the Dems are doing is giving the Republicans their own bills they already said yes to; including Trump, before he changed his little mind and had a temper tantrum because Coulter badmouthed him.

McConnell can play hostage games, but only for so much longer. Eventually, he and Trump are going to have go crawling to Pelosi, for what at best can be described as scraps to save face.

 

[PLizzy]

The Dems need to get a better PR strategy in regards to these votes. There's no build-up, no anticipation. McConnell needs to feel some heat here, or he'll just continue to be a Trump lackey.

I cannot figure out what realistic basis McConnell has to block these votes. The Senate doesn't work for the President. Hold the votes and if they pass, the President can veto them.

With that said, I obviously understand the political reason McConnell is blocking the vote, but still.

It's easy to understand when you realize the game isn't between Pelosi and Trump, but McConnell and Trump.

McConnell knows that no matter the outcome Republicans are paying a serious political price for this shutdown, which will carry on to electoral consequences in 2020.

Take a DACA-Border wall? Piss off the MAGA crowd for allowing amnesty. Open the government up without Trump? He fractures the Republican base, and he'll be the villain in right-wing media for caving. National emergency? The broader public will be outraged and they'll lose in court anyways.

There are no good outcomes for these men, no two ways about it. What neither Trump or McConnell want to do is go crawling to Pelosi begging for some scraps to salvage the political optics of this PR disaster, so that's creating a stare down between the orange buffon and the Kentucky nightmare, for who will go kiss Pelosi's shoe in defeat.

My guess? It will be Trump.

 

[Cramer]

Where did I say that? Don’t try to put words into my mouth

I said Reid held up bills from seeing the floor of the Senate....same as McConnell

And both did or are doing it at the will of their President

You don't see the difference?

What bills did Reid hold up that had a similar impact as the current spending bill?

Keystone pipeline?

If McConnell put it up for a vote, and it passed, Trump could veto. But then, the shutdown would be all on Trump

 

[Chomsky]

It's easy to understand when you realize the game isn't between Pelosi and Trump, but McConnell and Trump.

McConnell knows that no matter the outcome Republicans are paying a serious political price for this shutdown, which will carry on to electoral consequences in 2020.

Take a DACA-Border wall? Piss off the MAGA crowd for allowing amnesty. Open the government up without Trump? He fractures the Republican base, and he'll be the villain in right-wing media for caving. National emergency? The broader public will be outraged and they'll lose in court anyways.

There are no good outcomes for these men, no two ways about it. What neither Trump or McConnell want to do is go crawling to Pelosi begging for some scraps to salvage the political optics of this PR disaster, so that's creating a stare down between the orange buffon and the Kentucky nightmare, for who will go kiss Pelosi's shoe in defeat.

My guess? It will be Trump.

Given that last line, you might be interested in the article I linked below. But I'd be careful, given that CNN is citing an "administration source".

(I'm thinking of starting a thread on it)

(CNN) Trump plans to make Democrats an offer to end shutdown, not declare national emergency, in Saturday speech, official says