Masterpiece Cakeshop owner in court again for denying LGBTQ customer

[Marrybore]

Because the Bible teaches that sexual immorality is a sin practiced by those in rebellion against God.

I notice you only said "sexual immorality is a sin", without actually mentioning homosexuality or transgender people.
If "sexual immorality" was a thing, and if "sins" were a thing, and if "God" was a Thing, then perhaps it would be a sin, yes.
I'd personally define "sexual immorality" as perhaps sexually assaulting people, or something of that nature, rather than being willingly gay or transgender.

 

[marke]

I notice you only said "sexual immorality is a sin", without actually mentioning homosexuality or transgender people.
If "sexual immorality" was a thing, and if "sins" were a thing, and if "God" was a Thing, then perhaps it would be a sin, yes.
I'd personally define "sexual immorality" as perhaps sexually assaulting people, or something of that nature, rather than being willingly gay or transgender.

So maybe you can understasnd the dilemma homosexuals force Christians into. Homosexuals don't think homosexuality is a sin and they want to force Christians to stop believing homosexuality is a sin, but they violate the civil rights of Christians by taking them to court for not changing their religious views about homosexuality and sin.

 

[Lisa]

So maybe you can understasnd the dilemma homosexuals force Christians into. Homosexuals don't think homosexuality is a sin and they want to force Christians to stop believing homosexuality is a sin, but they violate the civil rights of Christians by taking them to court for not changing their religious views about homosexuality and sin.

They aren't asking the baker to do anything or to change their stance on sin.

Did serving black people force Maurice Bessinger to change his stance on race mixing that he was convinced that the Bible opposed?

 

[Marrybore]

So maybe you can understasnd the dilemma homosexuals force Christians into. Homosexuals don't think homosexuality is a sin and they want to force Christians to stop believing homosexuality is a sin, but they violate the civil rights of Christians by taking them to court for not changing their religious views about homosexuality and sin.

Do they deserve it, though?

 

[marke]

Do they deserve it, though?

Nobody should be forced by leftist laws to change their Christian convictions or pay stiff fines to the government for refusing to do so

 

[Lisa]

Nobody should be forced by leftist laws to change their Christian convictions or pay stiff fines to the government for refusing to do so

Nobody is trying to change his religious views because his religious beliefs are irrelevant to obeying the public accommodation protections. He can dress as Jesus, Moses, St Paul or Mary Magdalene and chant the Bible, backwards, if he wants to while he bakes the cake and the customers won't care. His religious views do not exempt him from obeying all parts of secular law and that is what is at the center of this situation. He hates the Obergefell v. Hodges decision and he thinks that he can have a self-righteous temper tantrum and somehow not have to obey it if he can somehow hide his homophobic bigotry behind the 1st Amendments religious protections, just like the racists did after the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Kim Davis tried the same stunt in Kentucky because she didn't think that she had to obey the marriage equality decision because of her hypocritical religious beliefs and the judge gave her 3 days in the county lockup to cool her heels. These bigots are mad the the country is moving on and people that they dont like have equal rights and are having a temper tantrum trying to slow the process of equality. They get run over by the law in the process but somehow they never learn their lesson.

 

[marke]

Nobody is trying to change his religious views because his religious beliefs are irrelevant to obeying the public accommodation protections.

Ungodly secular laws are designed to force Christians to either accept and embrace homosexuality or to close their businesses and get out of public view with their Biblical beliefs. There is nothing constitutional nor godly about such atheistic enforcement of barbarian perversion in the name of religious freedom and liberty.

He can dress as Jesus, Moses, St Paul or Mary Magdalene and chant the Bible, backwards, if he wants to while he bakes the cake and the customers won't care. His religious views do not exempt him from obeying all parts of secular law and that is what is at the center of this situation.

In fascist barbarian communist societies the only freedom of religion is that which allows Christians to abandon their Biblical beliefs or be destroyed for not going along with brutally enforced atheistic beliefs and practices.

He hates the Obergefell v. Hodges decision and he thinks that he can have a self-righteous temper tantrum and somehow not have to obey it if he can somehow hide his homophobic bigotry behind the 1st Amendments religious protections, just like the racists did after the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Fascist atheists interpret the Constitution to mean Christians have the freedom to shut the hell up if they harbor views that run contrary to the mob acceptance of sexual perversion.

Kim Davis tried the same stunt in Kentucky because she didn't think that she had to obey the marriage equality decision because of her hypocritical religious beliefs and the judge gave her 3 days in the county lockup to cool her heels. These bigots are mad the the country is moving on and people that they dont like have equal rights and are having a temper tantrum trying to slow the process of equality. They get run over by the law in the process but somehow they never learn their lesson.

Kim Davis was obeying state law and was locked up for doing so. Homosexuality does not have to make sense and it does not have to have majority support of the citizens of the state as long as it has one judge to enforce its savage barbarbarian perversions and practices. Before the last SCOTUS ruling just weeks before Kim Davis was fired, Kentucky law forbad the issuance of same sex marriage licenses.

Same sex marriage was not protected under staste law, it was established and protected by a very slim 5-4 SCOTUS ruling which overturned state law and reversed a previous SCOTUS ruling. It was not a law, it was a politically biased hair-thin majority court mandate.

 

[danielpalos]

So maybe you can understasnd the dilemma homosexuals force Christians into. Homosexuals don't think homosexuality is a sin and they want to force Christians to stop believing homosexuality is a sin, but they violate the civil rights of Christians by taking them to court for not changing their religious views about homosexuality and sin.

We know we don't need to take alleged Christians seriously if they resort to any fallacies or false witness bearing in Any of their arguments.

Job 34:30 applies.

 

[danielpalos]

Nobody should be forced by leftist laws to change their Christian convictions or pay stiff fines to the government for refusing to do so

Nobody forced that Baker to practice baking on a for-profit basis in public accommodation. For profit is not the same as for-moral basis. We may need to find Augustinian, Benedictine, or Carmelite breads for that.

 

[Marrybore]

Ungodly secular laws are designed to force Christians to either accept and embrace homosexuality or to close their businesses and get out of public view with their Biblical beliefs. There is nothing constitutional nor godly about such atheistic enforcement of barbarian perversion in the name of religious freedom and liberty.



In fascist barbarian communist societies the only freedom of religion is that which allows Christians to abandon their Biblical beliefs or be destroyed for not going along with brutally enforced atheistic beliefs and practices.



Fascist atheists interpret the Constitution to mean Christians have the freedom to shut the hell up if they harbor views that run contrary to the mob acceptance of sexual perversion.



Kim Davis was obeying state law and was locked up for doing so. Homosexuality does not have to make sense and it does not have to have majority support of the citizens of the state as long as it has one judge to enforce its savage barbarbarian perversions and practices. Before the last SCOTUS ruling just weeks before Kim Davis was fired, Kentucky law forbad the issuance of same sex marriage licenses.

Same sex marriage was not protected under staste law, it was established and protected by a very slim 5-4 SCOTUS ruling which overturned state law and reversed a previous SCOTUS ruling. It was not a law, it was a politically biased hair-thin majority court mandate.

You seem to be equating homosexuality with fascism, athiesm, perversion and "barbarism".
Tbh you're beginning to sound increasingly deluded.

 

[marke]

You seem to be equating homosexuality with fascism, athiesm, perversion and "barbarism".
Tbh you're beginning to sound increasingly deluded.

Homosexuality is not fascist. Forcing Christians to change their Biblical convictions or face fines and penalties for not supporting homosexuality is fascist.

 

[Lisa]

Homosexuality is not fascist. Forcing Christians to change their Biblical convictions or face fines and penalties for not supporting homosexuality is fascist.

Nobody is trying to force Christians to change their views because they don't care if you like them, unless being forced to change your views is a persacutory euphemism for accepting that LGBT people exist and have absolutely equal rights to you, then yes you will be forced to change your views because your religious beliefs do not supersede secular law and you cannot decide the secular rights that others enjoy because of your religious beliefs. You have the very same religious rights that you have always had but they stop at the end of your nose where the equal rights of others begin.

The conservative Christians's religious beliefs of racists didn't supersede the 1964 Civil Rights Act and your homophobia doesnt supercede federal or state law. LGBT have equal rights to you and your whining isn't going to change that fact. If you want to live in an abusive theocracy where the illogial religious beliefs of a majoirty get to trample on the rights of others then you might be happeir in Iran, Saudi or Pakistan.

 

[marke]

Nobody is trying to force Christians to change their views because they don't care if you like them, unless being forced to change your views is a persacutory euphemism for accepting that LGBT people exist and have absolutely equal rights to you, then yes you will be forced to change your views because your religious beliefs do not supersede secular law and you cannot decide the secular rights that others enjoy because of your religious beliefs. You have the very same religious rights that you have always had but they stop at the end of your nose where the equal rights of others begin.

Homosexual sympathesizer judge: 'You Christians have a right to remain silent if you cannot stop spreading your unacceptable religioius bias and intolerance. You will not be allowed to hold office, to own and operate a business, or to speak in public if you cannot shut your stupid mouths about your illegal disrespectfiul discrimination against homosexuals. Not if I can do anything to stop your hateful intolerant discriminatory bigotry.'

The conservative Christians's religious beliefs of racists didn't supersede the 1964 Civil Rights Act and your homophobia doesnt supercede federal or state law. LGBT have equal rights to you and your whining isn't going to change that fact. If you want to live in an abusive theocracy where the illogial religious beliefs of a majoirty get to trample on the rights of others then you might be happeir in Iran, Saudi or Pakistan.[/QUOTE]

 

[Lisa]

Homosexual sympathesizer judge: 'You Christians have a right to remain silent if you cannot stop spreading your unacceptable religious bias and intolerance. You will not be allowed to hold office, to own and operate a business, or to speak in public if you cannot shut your stupid mouths about your illegal disrespectful discrimination against homosexuals. Not if I can do anything to stop your hateful intolerant discriminatory bigotry.'

The conservative Christians' religious beliefs of racists didn't supersede the 1964 Civil Rights Act and your homophobia doesn't supersede federal or state law. LGBT have equal rights to you and your whining isn't going to change that fact. If you want to live in an abusive theocracy where the illogical religious beliefs of a majority get to trample on the rights of others then you might be happier in Iran, Saudi or Pakistan.

Your persecutory strawman parade is expected but it is no longer amusing.

That homosexual sympathizer judge is obeying the US Constitution just as the judge who Christians conservatives claimed to be a race traitor was obeying the law when the Civil Rights Act was passed and supported by the SCOTUS in the 1960s.

Your religious beliefs are limited to the right to believe in god and the right to worship, but they do not in any way include the right to ignore secular laws in ways that permit you to discriminate in public business or to ignore the law when the person in question is a civil servant. I doubt that you would want a Muslim, Satanist, Pagan, Buddhist or a Hindu civil servant such as a cop or a judge the power to do to conservative Christian what you seek to do to LGBT people, but your idea of religious freedom is religious tyranny because you don't support equal religious rights for all people and all religions. In your eyes, you believe that the US is a Christian county, our laws are based and interpreted by your hyper-conservative version of the bible and while you will pay lip service to equal rights there will always be some secular and religious rights and privileges that only conservative Christians like you will only enjoy to the extent that you demand them.

Christians can whine as loud as they want to and they can buy adverts on TV, radio, and even billboards about homosexuality being sinful but when they choose to operate a public accommodation business they cannot invoke their religious beliefs as a right to discriminate against others because of them. Your religious beliefs are not an exemption to secular law and they cannot supersede the religious rights of others, no matter what their religious beliefs are or the lack thereof. The law is as simple as that.

 

[danielpalos]

Homosexuality is not fascist. Forcing Christians to change their Biblical convictions or face fines and penalties for not supporting homosexuality is fascist.

Ten simple Commandments from a God not the Expense of Government on Earth.

Let us know when the right wing no longer has a problem with taxes.

 

[marke]

Your persecutory strawman parade is expected but it is no longer amusing.

That homosexual sympathizer judge is obeying the US Constitution just as the judge who Christians conservatives claimed to be a race traitor was obeying the law when the Civil Rights Act was passed and supported by the SCOTUS in the 1960s.

Leftist homosexual judge to Christian arrested for refusing to help homosexuals in ways which violated his Biblical convictions: 'Dammit, boy, I'm just doing my job here. It is not legal for you to offend our homosexual lovers on religious grounds. Religious beliefs don't mean crap when it comes to enforcing federal laws opposing stiupid old Bible views.'

 

[Lisa]

Leftist homosexual judge to Christian arrested for refusing to help homosexuals in ways which violated his Biblical convictions: 'Dammit, boy, I'm just doing my job here. It is not legal for you to offend our homosexual lovers on religious grounds. Religious beliefs don't mean crap when it comes to enforcing federal laws opposing stupid old Bible views.'

The Bible cannot be used as the basis for secular law in the USA because that would violate the separation of church and state as mandated by the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment. The fact that not even all Protestant christian agree with your churches interpretation is lost on you because your idea would also be trampling on their equal religious, those of other Christians who aren't Protestant,, as well as other peopl0e of other religions and those of us with no religious belief.

How many times do I need to rub your nose into this fact of separation of church and state until it sinks in?

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ʺmake no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,ʺ thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

Th Jefferson
Jan. 1. 1802

The legal precedent set by Newman v. Piggie Park that despite your religious beliefs to the contrary they do not grant you an exemption to public accommodation protections. That ruling didn't trample on Maurice Bessinger's religious rights and it isn't going away, no matter how much you whine about it.

 

[marke]

The Bible cannot be used as the basis for secular law in the USA because that would violate the separation of church and state as mandated by the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment. The fact that not even all Protestant christian agree with your churches interpretation is lost on you because your idea would also be trampling on their equal religious, those of other Christians who aren't Protestant,, as well as other peopl0e of other religions and those of us with no religious belief.

How many times do I need to rub your nose into this fact of separation of church and state until it sinks in?



The legal precedent set by Newman v. Piggie Park that despite your religious beliefs to the contrary they do not grant you an exemption to public accommodation protections. That ruling didn't trample on Maurice Bessinger's religious rights and it isn't going away, no matter how much you whine about it.

The leftists have erected an illegitimate atheiswtic wall of separation between God and American civilization, but that wall, like the Berlin wall, is evil, illegitimate, and stupid and needs to come down.

The Supreme Court Case That Could Bring Down the Wall of Separation Between Church and State (Updated) - Rewire.News

 

[Lisa]

The leftists have erected an illegitimate atheiswtic wall of separation between God and American civilization, but that wall, like the Berlin wall, is evil, illegitimate, and stupid and needs to come down.

The Supreme Court Case That Could Bring Down the Wall of Separation Between Church and State (Updated) - Rewire.News

Tell that nonsense to Jefferson, Madison and John Adams.

 

[marke]

Tell that nonsense to Jefferson, Madison and John Adams.

I totally oppose anyone forcing their theological views on others, whether supporters of satanic hedonism and sexual perversion, or worshipers of God and righteousness.

 

[Aberration]

Tell that nonsense to Jefferson, Madison and John Adams.

Nothing there grants or supports a freedom from religion and in fact speaks against coercion.

 

[vegas giants]

Nothing there grants or supports a freedom from religion and in fact speaks against coercion.

You believe we dont have freedom from religion???

 

[danielpalos]

I totally oppose anyone forcing their theological views on others, whether supporters of satanic hedonism and sexual perversion, or worshipers of God and righteousness.

Unless they happen to be a Baker practicing their bigotry on for-profit basis?

 

[marke]

Unless they happen to be a Baker practicing their bigotry on for-profit basis?

In an atheistic society governed by fascist hedonist views, values and laws, Christianity must ride in the back of the bus, if it gets to ride at all. One word of disrespect for homosexuality, for climate change, for abortion or any other sacred hedonist doctrines and the Christian will be taken off the bus by fascist government thugs and thrown under the damn thing.

 

[marke]

You believe we dont have freedom from religion???

Atheists and assorted hedonist morons believe the Constitution guarantess them the right to stomp out Christianity in America.