Man claims to have seen the afterlife

[Ouroboros]

Not a moving of any goalposts. Pointing out your strawman approach to everything. There are not teams in philosophy. NDEs and dreams are both things that take place in an individual’s brain. They require the physical person and their brain to take place. They don’t exist without physical equipment in which individuals experience them. They are all brain experiences. There is no interpretation of them that makes them not brain experiences of individuals. Just like any other activity in the human brain that people attempt to attribute some greater meaning to.

Your repetition of your dogma requires yet another penalty and again your team forfeits the ball. Keep on losin'.

 

[Ouroboros]

I am not Lisa. I am not required to respond to her or address her views in any way.

True up to a point. But your perhaps calculated ignorance of the discussion into which you inserted yourself does nothing to buttress your false logic. Whether Stalin believed his rhetoric or not is absolutely irrelevant to whether he used that rhetoric to build a regime grounded in materialist belief.

 

[Metanoia]

On this thread May 23rd was a very good day and I missed it……it was posts #553-557 that were notable…..it takes courage to share experiences because they are often ridiculed by those who dismiss experiences……thanks to those that shared……

 

[Risky Thicket]

For those interested I read a review of this book and ordered it from Amazon. The book won many awards. It looks like it will be something similar to what is being discussed here. I think it would help if you are an animal lover.

New The Pet I Can't Forget The Amazing Afterlife of Animals

Order on Amazon & Kindle Worldwide Audible

theamazingafterlifeofanimals.com

 

[Desert Storm]

Another interesting account

https://archive.vn/Mqf10

 

[Desert Storm]

 

[Desert Storm]

Before I had my NDE stories like this would make feel depressed.
But now it brings me peace

Tears in Texas as mourners hold candlelight vigil for flood victims

At least 27 of the victims were students or staff at the Christian summer camp for girls.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Desert Storm]

Here's a really good image of a ghost right after a car accident

https://archive.vn/gii2g

 

[Desert Storm]

The astral world explained

 

[Logician Man]

Here's a really good image of a ghost right after a car accident

https://archive.vn/gii2g

Looks a bit like Elvis Pressly with Richard Nixon's nose.

 

[Gordy327]

Looks a bit like Elvis Pressly with Richard Nixon's nose.

View attachment 67580044

It looks more like the head of Michael Myers from the Halloween franchise. A little hard to tell since the entire image is blurry.

 

[Gordy327]

The astral world explained

By someone on TikTok. Uh, ok.

Before I had my NDE stories like this would make feel depressed.
But now it brings me peace

Tears in Texas as mourners hold candlelight vigil for flood victims

At least 27 of the victims were students or staff at the Christian summer camp for girls.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Whatever you need to tell yourself to cope.

 

[Marvin Klein]

There is no afterlife just cowards running away from the reality of death. If you experienced anything, it was just a dream/hallucination..

Yes there is and when it reaches out to you it cant be denied. Its learned by experience and an open mind insight and wisdom. It exists and thats a good thing.

 

[Marvin Klein]

I'm skeptical when there is no scientific evidence establishing the veracity of NDEs beyond the physiological processes involved.

40% of all scientific research is invalid. Science is only one tool in the learning tool box. IN any case there is scientific investigation of NDEs and they are producing some interesting data. Its not a physiological process its energy

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

Yes there is and when it reaches out to you it cant be denied. Its learned by experience and an open mind insight and wisdom. It exists and thats a good thing.

Your intent is quite clear, implying that I do not have experience and wisdom. If only “it” would reach out to me, I would know! Right?

Your claim of an afterlife is irrelevant. You will never be able to back that unfounded claim without invoking more unfounded claims. Your argument will just snowball further into irrational beliefs.

 

[Marvin Klein]

Your intent is quite clear, implying that I do not have experience and wisdom. If only “it” would reach out to me, I would know! Right?

Your claim of an afterlife is irrelevant. You will never be able to back that unfounded claim without invoking more unfounded claims. Your argument will just snowball further into irrational beliefs.

If you only value science your concept of reality is very small.

Why Most Published Research Findings Are False - PMC

There is increasing concern that most current published research findings are false. The probability that a research claim is true may depend on study power and bias, the number of other studies on the same question, and, importantly, the ratio of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

As much as half of all research, science is invalid.
Understanding the totality of reality requires and open mind wisdom coherence imagination emotion play a major role. Accreting an idea or concept does not exist demand proof. Belief it doesnt does not

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

If you only value science your concept of reality is very small.

Why Most Published Research Findings Are False - PMC

There is increasing concern that most current published research findings are false. The probability that a research claim is true may depend on study power and bias, the number of other studies on the same question, and, importantly, the ratio of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

As much as half of all research, science is invalid.
Understanding the totality of reality requires and open mind wisdom coherence imagination emotion play a major role. Accreting an idea or concept does not exist demand proof. Belief it doesnt does not

I did not claim in this thread that I only value science. You are making a canned argument, arguing against other people.
Dishonest debate tactics will get you nowhere. Comeback without dishonest bullshit next time.

 

[Metanoia]

Some people see value in experience…..some people discount experience……they are the brave ones that board a plane with a pilot that has never flown….

 

[Marvin Klein]

I did not claim in this thread that I only value science. You are making a canned argument, arguing against other people.
Dishonest debate tactics will get you nowhere. Comeback without dishonest bullshit next time.

"I'm skeptical when there is no scientific evidence establishing the veracity of NDEs beyond the physiological processes involved."
Seems like it to me

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

"I'm skeptical when there is no scientific evidence establishing the veracity of NDEs beyond the physiological processes involved."
Seems like it to me

I never said that, I am not a Vulcan. No wonder you cannot debate, you cannot even figure out who the hell you are talking to.

 

[Marvin Klein]

This subject intimidates atheist I dont know why since God isnt involved or religion. Science is studying their experience and accumulating data that hasnt proven anything yet but cant rule out that memories and emotions continue after death. Those of us who believe in this are motivated by personal experience not science. Science isnt the only way to measure experiences.
Long story short
I am adopted and used a medium to find my birth family. All records were sealed and I had zero information. She gave me specific information that lead me to the agency that did my adoption and described in accurate detail my geographical features where my grandparents lived. I found my family in 8 months and discovered my mother had passed away 23 years before I found them. Did she lead mt to her through the medium?

I had known for many years another medium when I didnt believe it was possible. I made fin of her. After I found my family she called me and said my brother who was deceased was talking to ger. She had no idea I had brother. He died a year before I found him. We were so much alike we could almost be twins. We sat down and had a three way conversation. I verified what was said with his widow as facts.

This medium believes in spirit guides that follow us. I had 2 experiences that may have been explained by this.
I was in my car at a redlight. No visibility to my left blocked by a hill and trees. The light turned green and I got a message in my head with strong emotion it was . DONT GO! DONT GO. I didnt go I always go. A large truck ran the light speeding and would have killed me.

I was on a cruise in Scotland and my wife and I went to dinner. We were seated next to a couple we didnt know. We started to talk and the husband had PTSD and his wife was adopted and had bad bio family and adoptive family as well. Both were still in pain. Well damn Im adopted and a trauma therapist and I pioneered therapeutic interventions for adoption related trauma and I am experienced with PTSD. We bonded instantly and I was able to show them how to heal themselves and offered my published articles. It made a difference.
We talked for hours. That night in my dreams a man dressed in white walked into my filed of view from behind me stopped looked right at me and smiled. Then walked on. This is very different than a dream.
It feels very different and I remember every aspect of it like it was real. Dreams are limbic process and feel very different. Was this my spirit guide giving me high 5. Or theirs saying thank you?
I have had few more experiences some I question. I have graduate degree in psychology, scientifically trained and I am skeptical. But these experience make me wonder if there is more to life than we know and that these are good things

 

[Metanoia]

I have had few more experiences some I question. I have graduate degree in psychology, scientifically trained and I am skeptical. But these experience make me wonder if there is more to life than we know and that these are good things

There is value in anything that humbles one……thanks for sharing with a skeptical audience…..

 

[Gordy327]

40% of all scientific research is invalid. Science is only one tool in the learning tool box. IN any case there is scientific investigation of NDEs and they are producing some interesting data. Its not a physiological process its energy

Where are your scientific citations to support your assertions? A physiological process involves energy produced by cells through the ATP cycle.

If you only value science your concept of reality is very small.

Why Most Published Research Findings Are False - PMC

There is increasing concern that most current published research findings are false. The probability that a research claim is true may depend on study power and bias, the number of other studies on the same question, and, importantly, the ratio of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

As much as half of all research, science is invalid.
Understanding the totality of reality requires and open mind wisdom coherence imagination emotion play a major role. Accreting an idea or concept does not exist demand proof. Belief it doesnt does not

There's reality. Then there's imagination. Belief does not equal fact.

Yes there is and when it reaches out to you it cant be denied. Its learned by experience and an open mind insight and wisdom. It exists and thats a good thing.

That's nice. Prove it!

 

[Marvin Klein]

Where are your scientific citations to support your assertions? A physiological process involves energy produced by cells through the ATP cycle.

There's reality. Then there's imagination. Belief does not equal fact.

That's nice. Prove it!

Belief doesnt have to equal fact and one isnt better than the other. Without a belief there would be no facts. I dont have to prove any belief. But if you claim anything is fact then the burden of proof is on you. You have equal and the same as confused. I believe leads to discovery. Another term for belief is hypothesis. We need them all to see the totality of reality but some need to keep it small limited and easy to understand

 

[Gordy327]

Belief doesnt have to equal fact and one isnt better than the other. Without a belief there would be no facts. I dont have to prove any belief. But if you claim anything is fact then the burden of proof is on you. You have equal and the same as confused. I believe leads to discovery. Another term for belief is hypothesis. We need them all to see the totality of reality but some need to keep it small limited and easy to understand

A hypothesis is not a belief. Belief is at best an opinion. Facts are based on evidence and what can be demonstrated as objectively true. Not mere belief.