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Lowest ice cover ever at both poles[W:284]

Jack Hays said:

[h=1]Fast regrowth in Arctic sea-ice outpaces recent years[/h]Ron Clutz writes at Climate Change Dispatch: Arctic Sea Ice Surges Back During First Half of October Consider the refreezing during the first half of October through yesterday, adding an average of 96k km2 per day. On the left side, the Laptev Sea has filled in, and just below it, the East Siberian Sea is…
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Keep posting the same idiocy. Here was my response before, and it's still applicable:

"In context" with your views. I wouldn't start tooting your horn, until the MAX ice gets above 16.5 square kms, and the MIN ice gets above 8 square kms. Wouldn't that be nice. It would get eerily quiet on these forums.
 
Media_Truth said:
Keep posting the same idiocy. Here was my response before, and it's still applicable:

"In context" with your views. I wouldn't start tooting your horn, until the MAX ice gets above 16.5 square kms, and the MIN ice gets above 8 square kms. Wouldn't that be nice. It would get eerily quiet on these forums.
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You should stop arguing against the data. It's not healthy.
 
Jack Hays said:
It is what it is: so far just a pause, as described. You're the only one using the word "trend." I'd say that's desperate.
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Yes, it is what it is no matter if you call it a 2-year pause in sea level rise or a trend of no rise in sea level for 2 years. Both are stupid points to make that do nothing for the debate except misinform people who don't know better. I wonder how many thousands of ignorant people who read and believe Watts' misinformation are now telling their friends and family that sea levels are no longer rising and will continue to do so for many years to come no matter what the levels actually do. We all know that Watts will not inform his readers of any resumption in sea level rise when it happens.
 
Buzz said:
Yes, it is what it is no matter if you call it a 2-year pause in sea level rise or a trend of no rise in sea level for 2 years. Both are stupid points to make that do nothing for the debate except misinform people who don't know better. I wonder how many thousands of ignorant people who read and believe Watts' misinformation are now telling their friends and family that sea levels are no longer rising and will continue to do so for many years to come no matter what the levels actually do. We all know that Watts will not inform his readers of any resumption in sea level rise when it happens.
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On the contrary, WUWT is notably even-handed in disseminating climate news. It's far more balanced than AGW advocacy sites like RealClimate and SkepticalScience.
 
Media_Truth said:
Keep posting the same idiocy. Here was my response before, and it's still applicable:

"In context" with your views. I wouldn't start tooting your horn, until the MAX ice gets above 16.5 square kms, and the MIN ice gets above 8 square kms. Wouldn't that be nice. It would get eerily quiet on these forums.
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I'm more concerned with the cause and stopping it if possible.

The cause is not CO2!
 
Buzz said:
Yes, it is what it is no matter if you call it a 2-year pause in sea level rise or a trend of no rise in sea level for 2 years. Both are stupid points to make that do nothing for the debate except misinform people who don't know better. I wonder how many thousands of ignorant people who read and believe Watts' misinformation are now telling their friends and family that sea levels are no longer rising and will continue to do so for many years to come no matter what the levels actually do. We all know that Watts will not inform his readers of any resumption in sea level rise when it happens.
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WUWT:


 
Lord of Planar said:
I'm more concerned with the cause and stopping it if possible.

The cause is not CO2!
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So Jack says it's not happening. You say it's happening, but the cause is not CO2. Longview says the cause is CO2, but just a tiny bit. The deniers need to get on the same page. Although, I must admit that you're all on the same page, in that you ignore the cliamatologist experts.
 
Jack Hays said:
Another claim without evidence.
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MSNBC ,The Huffington Post, Vox, The NY times, ABC news, and the WPo all said Real ( liberal Democrat )Climate was the best site.
LO
 
Media_Truth said:
So Jack says it's not happening. You say it's happening, but the cause is not CO2. Longview says the cause is CO2, but just a tiny bit. The deniers need to get on the same page. Although, I must admit that you're all on the same page, in that you ignore the cliamatologist experts.
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The ice melt we see from CO2 is insignificant compared to the ice melt from soot.
 
Lord of Planar said:
The ice melt we see from CO2 is insignificant compared to the ice melt from soot.
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Scientists, of course, think that it’s certainly a feedback loop, but the significance (I’m sure you’re misusing that word again, because you’re a tech, not a scientist) is that it’s accelerating melt, not initiating it.

But then again, I only go with what the scientists who publish in Nature say. I’m sure your extensive publication of this on DP forums is about equal in terms of quality. :roll:


http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v7/n7/full/ngeo2180.html
 

[h=1]Lies and Manipulation: The Sorry State of Global Climate Alarmism[/h]Guest opinion by Vijay Jayaraj As a citizen of a third-world country, I bring a different perspective about climate change from that held by most people in wealthy countries. While they fret about possible tenth-of-a-degree changes in global average temperature, I think about how a billion of my fellow Indians and I will obtain the…
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Jack Hays said:

[h=1]Study: Ice sheets may melt rapidly in response to soot from distant volcanoes[/h]Study of ancient eruptions shows modern ice sheets could be vulnerable From THE EARTH INSTITUTE AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY and the “dirty ice” melts faster department Volcanic eruptions have been known to cool the global climate, but they can also exacerbate the melting of ice sheets, according to a paper published today in Nature Communications. Researchers who…
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And soot does the same thing, but is a rather constant level of output.
 
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[h=1]A normal part of nature – sea ice retreat in Antarctica[/h]From the UNIVERSITY OF CAMBRIDGE ‘Scars’ left by icebergs record West Antarctic ice retreat ten thousand years ago – occurred under climate conditions that were relatively similar to those of today. Thousands of marks on the Antarctic seafloor, caused by icebergs which broke free from glaciers more than ten thousand years ago, show how part of the…
 
The Guardian invents a myth that Trump obstructs satellite research


Part #4,566 in The Demonisation of Trump – The Guardian spawns another urban myth and fake-hate-news.

Donald Trump accused of obstructing satellite research into climate change

The poor ignorant readers, fed the anti-science spin, and missing all the relevant info below (or any counter point of view) — predictably respond with the words “sociopath”, “Hitler”, “Nazi’s”, “criminals”, “crooks”, “liars” and “sychophants” — and that’s just in the first 20 comments of nearly 400.
The author Robin McKie found one scientist willing to hype this in a suitable way:
“This is like throwing away the medical records of a sick patient,” said David Gallaher of the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colorado.
If McKie bothered to get calmer and more accurate views, he does not report them. Though he also says: “Many scientists say this decision was made for purely ideological reasons.” He names none of the “many”. Way to go McKie.
Enter a real expert in satellite systems:
Roy Spencer, award-winning satellite expert, explains how Trump is being wrongly blamed

In short, the story is that a series of US military satellites are monitoring sea ice. Four were launched from 2003 – 2014 (numbered 16 – 19). One, number 20, was in storage, supposedly to be used from 2020-2025. But storage costs got a bit much, the program was old, better ones are coming along, and Congress decided, last year, to dismantle it. As bad luck goes, #19 suffered a mishap and broke down a few weeks ago. Now the Guardian and others are howling that #20 should have been kept to replace #19 but it was destroyed deliberately in some kind of Trump conspiracy to stop scientific research to hide the effects of global warming.
Trump is so evil he must have arranged this while running the election campaign last year. Somehow he fooled Obama too. Maybe he had help from the Russians?
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The bottom line:

  • We can still monitor sea ice every day (which is enough — it’s not like we need hourly data)
  • the decision happened by Congress happened on Obama’s watch. Obama could have stopped it, but didn’t.
  • There are more modern satellites around. (The old sensor was a 1987 model).
  • The US decided years ago to let the Japanese be the stars of satellite microwave radiometers. Spencer says “everyone knows” the Japs will take over with the best sea-ice monitoring satellites soon (The AMSR series, since you asked).
  • At a pinch we could still use other US satellites if we had too –specifically, the AMSU sensors flying on the NOAA polar-orbiting satellites.
Quoting Roy Spencer (read it all there):
“As the U.S. Science Team leader on that instrument, I and others helped Japan become a leader in producing and interpreting this kind of data.
“This claim that the Trump Administration is to blame, or that our capability is being blocked or crippled is, quite frankly, silly. . . .

 
Media_Truth said:
So Jack says it's not happening. You say it's happening, but the cause is not CO2. Longview says the cause is CO2, but just a tiny bit. The deniers need to get on the same page. Although, I must admit that you're all on the same page, in that you ignore the cliamatologist experts.
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so what if they were losing ice? what is it you think will happen? Please enlighten the class.

I want a warmer globe like it use to be. I hate cold.
 
Threegoofs said:
Scientists, of course, think that it’s certainly a feedback loop, but the significance (I’m sure you’re misusing that word again, because you’re a tech, not a scientist) is that it’s accelerating melt, not initiating it.

But then again, I only go with what the scientists who publish in Nature say. I’m sure your extensive publication of this on DP forums is about equal in terms of quality. :roll:


http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v7/n7/full/ngeo2180.html
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and so what if it melts? what will happen exactly?
 
"It's the volcanoes, stupid!"


[h=1]NASA: volcanic magma plume under Antarctica may explain ice sheet instability[/h]From NASA’s Jet propulsion Laboratory and the “inconvenient science” department comes this study that dashes hopes of pinning melting in Antarctica entirely on human activity. Hot News from the Antarctic Underground Study Bolsters Theory of Heat Source Under West Antarctica A new NASA study adds evidence that a geothermal heat source called a mantle plume…
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Jack Hays said:
The Guardian invents a myth that Trump obstructs satellite research


Part #4,566 in The Demonisation of Trump – The Guardian spawns another urban myth and fake-hate-news.

Donald Trump accused of obstructing satellite research into climate change

The poor ignorant readers, fed the anti-science spin, and missing all the relevant info below (or any counter point of view) — predictably respond with the words “sociopath”, “Hitler”, “Nazi’s”, “criminals”, “crooks”, “liars” and “sychophants” — and that’s just in the first 20 comments of nearly 400.
The author Robin McKie found one scientist willing to hype this in a suitable way:
“This is like throwing away the medical records of a sick patient,” said David Gallaher of the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colorado.
If McKie bothered to get calmer and more accurate views, he does not report them. Though he also says: “Many scientists say this decision was made for purely ideological reasons.” He names none of the “many”. Way to go McKie.
Enter a real expert in satellite systems:
Roy Spencer, award-winning satellite expert, explains how Trump is being wrongly blamed

In short, the story is that a series of US military satellites are monitoring sea ice. Four were launched from 2003 – 2014 (numbered 16 – 19). One, number 20, was in storage, supposedly to be used from 2020-2025. But storage costs got a bit much, the program was old, better ones are coming along, and Congress decided, last year, to dismantle it. As bad luck goes, #19 suffered a mishap and broke down a few weeks ago. Now the Guardian and others are howling that #20 should have been kept to replace #19 but it was destroyed deliberately in some kind of Trump conspiracy to stop scientific research to hide the effects of global warming.
Trump is so evil he must have arranged this while running the election campaign last year. Somehow he fooled Obama too. Maybe he had help from the Russians?
icon_wink.gif

The bottom line:

  • We can still monitor sea ice every day (which is enough — it’s not like we need hourly data)
  • the decision happened by Congress happened on Obama’s watch. Obama could have stopped it, but didn’t.
  • There are more modern satellites around. (The old sensor was a 1987 model).
  • The US decided years ago to let the Japanese be the stars of satellite microwave radiometers. Spencer says “everyone knows” the Japs will take over with the best sea-ice monitoring satellites soon (The AMSR series, since you asked).
  • At a pinch we could still use other US satellites if we had too –specifically, the AMSU sensors flying on the NOAA polar-orbiting satellites.
Quoting Roy Spencer (read it all there):
“As the U.S. Science Team leader on that instrument, I and others helped Japan become a leader in producing and interpreting this kind of data.
“This claim that the Trump Administration is to blame, or that our capability is being blocked or crippled is, quite frankly, silly. . . .

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Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

:wow: That Trump fella is even more gifted than I thought! To read that he has the time and the ability to obstruct satellite research is astonishing! How he finds the time to do that when we're also told he golfs 22/7 (I'm allotting him two hours each day to send tweets to his followers) is amazing! Makes me wonder if what I'm reading is true... know what I mean? And it's only Tuesday of this week! :lamo :lamo

*sarcasm intended*
 
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