LOL Beto!

[TamleeB]

I don't understand why the need to apologize. He said what he said and I find nothing wrong with his words.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

You said that it was the mother's job to take care of the children. You are wrong. Join us in 2019. It isn't 1951 anymore.

It’s [current year] is not an argument.

It is the mother’s job to take care of the children primarily. You can argue against this, but you’re only arguing against reality. If you have a mother going to work for 12 hours a day and leaving their kid in day care and not spending any time bonding with the child, that’s neglect. People hate hearing that because it’s politically unpopular to note that the traditional family structure we abandoned may have actually been the best.

 

[Rexedgar]

No, it's not the mother's job to raise her children, it is the parents job. If O'Rourke's wife does take a more focused role in their parenting I see nothing wrong with him acknowledging and appreciating that.

I'm with you; I don't see the flap here!

Orly, Ward Cleaver? i suppose it's also the mother's job to spend all day cleaning the house, and then change into a chiffon dress and pearls and put a ribbon in her hair while she waits for Father to come home from work, putting his slippers on his feet while he rests with his pipe and his smoking jacket waiting for Mother to serve him a pot roast dinner.

You gonna be on the market anytime soon?

 

[Taylor]

No, it's not the mother's job to raise her children, it is the parents job. If O'Rourke's wife does take a more focused role in their parenting I see nothing wrong with him acknowledging and appreciating that.

Yeah, I don't think he ever claimed it wasn't his job to raise his children.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Just quit while you were behind. It isn't a man's "primary role" to "provide" for the family. You think women don't work and can't out earn men? And you think his "willingness to sacrifice is greater"?

Holy ****. Did I stumble into the Neanderthal board?

Really so you’re married to some guy who doesn’t work and just stays home and does nothing?

Yes in some cases women outearn men, my own parents marriage is like this, my father cleans the house cooks meals etc and my mother works. This is not the norm. This is anomaly. And in most cases where women out earn men the women divorce. This makes their situation a double anomaly.

Yes most men outearn most women and It is scientifically true men are willing to work more hours, more dangerous jobs, more willing to move for careers etc.

 

[Rexedgar]

Really so you’re married to some guy who doesn’t work and just stays home and does nothing?

Yes in some cases women outearn men, my own parents marriage is like this, my father cleans the house cooks meals etc and my mother works. This is not the norm. This is anomaly. And in most cases where women out earn men the women divorce. This makes their situation a double anomaly.

Yes most men outearn most women and It is scientifically true men are willing to work more hours, more dangerous jobs, more willing to move for careers etc.

There is a new norm. I find your view of the world an 'anomaly.'

 

[americanwoman]

Orly, Ward Cleaver? i suppose it's also the mother's job to spend all day cleaning the house, and then change into a chiffon dress and pearls and put a ribbon in her hair while she waits for Father to come home from work, putting his slippers on his feet while he rests with his pipe and his smoking jacket waiting for Mother to serve him a pot roast dinner.

Sounds like I need to find a good wife who knows her place. :mrgreen:

 

[TheGoverness]

Orly, Ward Cleaver? i suppose it's also the mother's job to spend all day cleaning the house, and then change into a chiffon dress and pearls and put a ribbon in her hair while she waits for Father to come home from work, putting his slippers on his feet while he rests with his pipe and his smoking jacket waiting for Mother to serve him a pot roast dinner.

That's when the pot's contents go straight into his lap. :2razz:

 

[haymarket]

Sure, but in most cases his primary role is to provide for the family. Since in most cases his income potential and willingness to sacrifice is greater.

The roles are not equal, they are complementary

This is 2019. Ozzie & Harriet are both dead. Nothing is equal.

 

[TheGoverness]

You said that it was the mother's job to take care of the children. You are wrong. Join us in 2019. It isn't 1951 anymore.

Are you saying that there are children being raised by parents where both take an active role in raising their children? BLASPHEMY!

 

[EMNofSeattle]

There is a new norm. I find your view of the world an 'anomaly.'

62 percent of marriages the husband is the primary income earner. That’s a clear majority


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[TheGoverness]

Sounds like I need to find a good wife who knows her place. :mrgreen:

You betta not be talkin' back now!

 

[haymarket]

It used to be that the fringes were minimalized to a great extent. Now they are the loudest out there. Tweeting, shaming and yelling at others. Or painting centrists/moderates (most of the US by the way) as fence sitters or "meh" people with no opinion. Beto's biggest problem will be the Sanders and Warren supporters. They are all over social media branding the others.

In 2016, my wife and I were Sanders supporters through and through. We did vote for Clinton in the general.

This time we are for O'Rourke as the best choice to defeat Trump.

 

[TheGoverness]

Just quit while you were behind. It isn't a man's "primary role" to "provide" for the family. You think women don't work and can't out earn men? And you think his "willingness to sacrifice is greater"?

Holy ****. Did I stumble into the Neanderthal board?

Why are you yappin', when you could be cookin'! :2razz:

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Are you saying that there are children being raised by parents where both take an active role in raising their children? BLASPHEMY!

Except having joined the thread late you missed the important point that started the discussion. Beta went on apology tour for saying his wife spent more time raising children (as it should be) and the criticism was from a feminist professor (whom I quoted in context) who said “it is not a mother’s job to raise children” that sentence means it is not the role of a mother at all to raise children. And Tres immediately jumps on the side of feminist professor who says this.

And makes a straw man argument. I never said men shouldn’t raise children, only that it’s a mother’s job to raise her children. The only counter that you can logically make is the extreme position the professor took


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[Rexedgar]

62 percent of marriages the husband is the primary income earner. That’s a clear majority


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Definition of both “marriage’ and “husband” has evolved.

 

[humbolt]

Why does the right wing care since they are not voting for O'Rourke anyway? They must really fear him.

No, the right doesn't fear SpongeBob O'Rourke. He entertains children. The only reason you might like him is because he has some version of a hyphenated "D" as a political suffix.

 

[Ikari]

No, it's not the mother's job to raise her children, it is the parents job. If O'Rourke's wife does take a more focused role in their parenting I see nothing wrong with him acknowledging and appreciating that.

It is true that it is the parent's job as a team to raise children and parents need to share in the household duties and responsibilities. That being said, I think his statement was rather innocent and was acknowledging all the hard work and dedication his wife has put into their family. I think people getting upset at it are going one toke over the line and reading into it far more than is actually there.

 

[haymarket]

No, the right doesn't fear SpongeBob O'Rourke. He entertains children. The only reason you might like him is because he has some version of a hyphenated "D" as a political suffix.

You really must fear him since you gave him a nickname.

 

[Grokmaster]

Hello man from the 1950s, it is the responsibility of both parents to raise the children. Perhaps in different seasons, one person makes more of an income amd the other assists more, but there is no universal manual from god (sorry Bible) that mandates that women are alone reaponsible for child rearing.

This is also old news and Beto still beats Trump in the polls right now.

Whatever. O'Rourke never said otherwise. He COMPLIMENTED HIS WIFE, and then immediately caved to asinine PC "police', like a ball-less wonder.


He's as phony as was the Community Organizer.

 

[pilot16]

It is true that it is the parent's job as a team to raise children and parents need to share in the household duties and responsibilities. That being said, I think his statement was rather innocent and was acknowledging all the hard work and dedication his wife has put into their family. I think people getting upset at it are going one toke over the line and reading into it far more than is actually there.

Its the extreme fringe looking for a way to knock him down. This morning they are on about his taking money from people who work in the gas and oil industry. I dare them to find any politician in Texas that doesnt have that.

 

[pilot16]

Whatever. O'Rourke never said otherwise. He COMPLIMENTED HIS WIFE, and then immediately caved to asinine PC "police', like a ball-less wonder.


He's as phony as was the Community Organizer.

He needs to stop apologizing thats his biggest issue. Just be who he is. People liked it. Dont pander to the extremes, they wont vote for you anyway.

 

[TheGoverness]

Except having joined the thread late you missed the important point that started the discussion. Beta went on apology tour for saying his wife spent more time raising children (as it should be) and the criticism was from a feminist professor (whom I quoted in context) who said “it is not a mother’s job to raise children” that sentence means it is not the role of a mother at all to raise children. And Tres immediately jumps on the side of feminist professor who says this.

And makes a straw man argument. I never said men shouldn’t raise children, only that it’s a mother’s job to raise her children. The only counter that you can logically make is the extreme position the professor took


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Except having joined the thread late you missed the important point that started the discussion. Beta went on apology tour for saying his wife spent more time raising children (as it should be) and the criticism was from a feminist professor (whom I quoted in context) who said “it is not a mother’s job to raise children” that sentence means it is not the role of a mother at all to raise children. And Tres immediately jumps on the side of feminist professor who says this.

And makes a straw man argument. I never said men shouldn’t raise children, only that it’s a mother’s job to raise her children. The only counter that you can logically make is the extreme position the professor took


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It's not a mother's job to raise children. For many generations in the past it was seen as just the women's job, but it ain't in the 1950's anymore. It is the parents job to raise their children. Make a sexist distinction is just that--sexist. I was raised by both my parents evenly, and that's the case for plenty of other people out there. Now, looking at Beto's statement itself, he's probably trying to give her more of the credit, which is understandable. Beto's not saying a woman's job is to raise the kids--that's you saying that. And while I agree with the sentiment of the professor's argument, I don't really think it applies to Beto here in this situation. It was a harmless comment at best, IMHO. However, you clearly did strawman her. The prof. did not say that it was not the role of a mother to raise her children at all, she's saying the idea of "suggest that it's a mom's job to raise kids, and having that very unequal division of labor has disastrous consequences for women both at home and in the workforce." What you are saying that she said, is not what she said at all.

 

[TheGoverness]

It is true that it is the parent's job as a team to raise children and parents need to share in the household duties and responsibilities. That being said, I think his statement was rather innocent and was acknowledging all the hard work and dedication his wife has put into their family. I think people getting upset at it are going one toke over the line and reading into it far more than is actually there.

I agree. I'm in agreement with the professor that both parents should be taking an active role in raising their kids, but I highly doubt Beto was implying, "WomenZ jerbs are to be takin care of da keeeeeds!" It's much ado about nothing.

 

[Sweden]

It will depend on who wins the primary. Beto would have no problem winning the general. Its the primaries that are the killer.

Particularly when a candidate is out of tune with his party. As a supposed centrist dear Beto will be a target for the entire far left, who now prevail in the Dem party.