Listening to Dr Dao's attorney . . .

[yankintx]

Wow! $10M. I wish I flew United this past weekend instead of driving.

The guy is a disbarred Doc, ya he knows how to milk the United cow.

 

[Absentglare]

I think he should bet at least a trillion. Being a sniveling, whiny bitch boy should really start to pay better than it currently does.

Don't get me wrong, I feel for the guy being inconvenienced by the so called needs of the airline. I agree that his getting bumped was unfair. However, as far as I'm concerned he lost any and all goodwill I had for him by acting like a damned toddler. The fact of the matter is that sometimes life is unfair. Figure out how to deal with it like an adult and move on.

It's interesting to see, with this case, how authoritarian and oppressive so many others are.

I always thought a fascist, obedient, compliant public, the antithesis of freedom, was something we all agreed not to implement.

 

[EvaPeron]

Yet United gets a payday everyday that is (in the words of Trump - huge) and they have no consequences for their bad management decisions? I think this case is going to put a stop to that completely.

 

[Harshaw]

What part do you find silly? What rights did this man have as a customer who met his obligation to United? In your mind - any?

Sure, he has some rights that he'll need to be compensated for.

Was never my point. You're barking up the wrong tree.

 

[calamity]

The guy is a disbarred Doc, ya he knows how to milk the United cow.

He was reinstated two years ago.



Do learn to stay current.

 

[chuckiechan]

Based on the articles I read the doctor in question wasnt acting belligerent. United simply didnt offer him enough since he claimed he had to see patients- the airline wanted to re-book him the next day and he said no. They should have continued to negotiate with him instead of yanking him out of his seat. If anyone acted like a toddler it was the airport cops.

An airline that can't figure out a way to move four employees without going postal on some poor schmuck.

BTW, most of this stuff takes place at check in, not after you are seated.

 

[Lutherf]

Had he been the bigger person and not stood his ground - then NO ONE would be talking about this. Don't you get it? The airlines have been getting away with this behavior since 911. Now, people are saying it is getting out of hand. But, we could say it among st ourselves all day long and no one would listen. But every single airlines is listening now - aren't they? Sometimes, and I'll use the Rosa Parks incident, when things aren't right, you have to stand your ground. I know this isn't segregation but it is similar. When we said people of color had to sit on the back of the buses it was enforced. I'm sure people back then who agreed with that would have said that in order to not get beat up all Rosa Parks had to do was stay in the back of the bus. That's kind of what United is saying here isn't it? If you don't want to get drug off the plane, have your nose broken, teeth punched out and the embarrassment of the whole incident, do as we say and never question our authority. This is just wrong and that is why we (so many people are reacting and standing up for this Dr.).

You're going to compare bitch boy to Rosa Parks? Really?

As I said in an earlier post, being asked to forego your seat on a plane is an inconvenience, not a human rights struggle. If you get compensated for being inconvenienced you're coming out a whole lot better than other who will also be inconvenienced for a number of things and won't be compensated.

Yes, the airline could have handled things differently. I'm not letting them off the hook by any means but this idiot and his sense of entitlement contributed substantially to the way things played out.

 

[Fearandloathing]

I think he should bet at least a trillion. Being a sniveling, whiny bitch boy should really start to pay better than it currently does.

Don't get me wrong, I feel for the guy being inconvenienced by the so called needs of the airline. I agree that his getting bumped was unfair. However, as far as I'm concerned he lost any and all goodwill I had for him by acting like a damned toddler. The fact of the matter is that sometimes life is unfair. Figure out how to deal with it like an adult and move on.

Just so we're clear here, you are saying this guy deserved a beating, a near lethal beating with the concussion because he lost his cool.

OK, so then the victim should skip court and hire a hit on the thugs who did it? If a beating is OK for the revenge of "acting like a damned toddler" then what "justice should there be for the thugs? Revenge is always an escalating game, so in your world revenge is the operative, I suggest the man can hire hits on th thugs that beat him.

What we're asking is why these thugs are under arrest for aggravated assault?

 

[yankintx]

He was reinstated two years ago.



Do learn to stay current.

My correction, the guy lost his medical license in 2006 for over supplying pain killers, its guys like this which add to the heroin problem in this country.

 

[Lutherf]

It's interesting to see, with this case, how authoritarian and oppressive so many others are.

I always thought a fascist, obedient, compliant public, the antithesis of freedom, was something we all agreed not to implement.

It has nothing to do with being authoritarian or fascist. It's a matter of being a damned adult and learning how to deal with inconveniences and/or jerks.

 

[Goshin]

We might see the cost of air travel explode as other little bitch boys choose to take a licking for a payout after this precedent.

Maybe. Raising cost is a risky business move though. It it ends up being easier for them to change their policy they'll do that instead.



Personally, I've flown commercial twice in my life, and if I never fly commercial again that's fine. I didn't even know you could be "bumped" from a flight just because the airline wanted to put someone else in the seat already under your butt.

Probably that changes my perspective compared to you frequent-flyer types that knew about this and accept it as a norm.

I see it as the Airline making a promise (give me the money and you'll have a seat on this flight) then breaking their promise for inadequate reasons, possibly screwing with your arrangements (pick-up, lodging, plans, important meeting, etc) in a way that might cost you money and create problems for you.


IOW, smells like horse**** and poor treatment of paying customers to me. Not something most businesses could get away with for long.

 

[calamity]

My correction, the guy lost his medical license in 2006 for over supplying pain killers, its guys like this which add to the heroin problem in this country.

No argument on that.

 

[Paperview]

He didnt want to be treated like cattle. I'd probably do the same thing if they treated me like that. He paid for his seat and was accepted into the plane. United and the cops were the ones who made trouble, and now they're going to pay for it.

Big time.

Another thing we learned to day -- is the Dr. was on the plane with his wife.

Is it policy to separate a husband a wife to "re-accommodate" an involuntary volunteer?

 

[Lutherf]

Just so we're clear here, you are saying this guy deserved a beating, a near lethal beating with the concussion because he lost his cool.

OK, so then the victim should skip court and hire a hit on the thugs who did it? If a beating is OK for the revenge of "acting like a damned toddler" then what "justice should there be for the thugs? Revenge is always an escalating game, so in your world revenge is the operative, I suggest the man can hire hits on th thugs that beat him.

What we're asking is why these thugs are under arrest for aggravated assault?

The guy didn't deserve a beating but after the airline made the determination that he was going to be the one leaving the plane....without regard to whether that decision was proper, fair or just...his refusal to abide by that decision contributed to the actions the cops took.

 

[Fearandloathing]

You're going to compare bitch boy to Rosa Parks? Really?

As I said in an earlier post, being asked to forego your seat on a plane is an inconvenience, not a human rights struggle. If you get compensated for being inconvenienced you're coming out a whole lot better than other who will also be inconvenienced for a number of things and won't be compensated.

Yes, the airline could have handled things differently. I'm not letting them off the hook by any means but this idiot and his sense of entitlement contributed substantially to the way things played out.

Ah....his "sense of entitlement" was because he WAS entitled to that seat. He paid for it.

I also disagree that he is at fault because he went "bitch boy". I don't know what you consider bitch boy, but I know you well enough you would NOT have gone quietly. In your case I would hit the deck as you're probably packing.

In NO way is this passenger in the wrong. To issue a ticket, accept payment and they say "no" is what is called fraud. THERE, sir, is where the "the problem" began, not his protests.

 

[bmr528]

I don't know this Dr. from Adam... But he might just be a genius..

He may have played UAL & the police perfectly. I mean,, a plane full of people.. Just setting in his seat.. refuses to leave ( he has responsibilities to attend ).. Everybody has a camera phone.. one thing leads to another and he's a very rich man..

Would you take a beating for several million $$$

Not saying this is what happened.. just saying..

djl

 

[Fearandloathing]

The guy didn't deserve a beating but after the airline made the determination that he was going to be the one leaving the plane....without regard to whether that decision was proper, fair or just...his refusal to abide by that decision contributed to the actions the cops took.

You're backing up now.

What would you have done? Simply left the plane?

See my previous quote. The issue began with an act of fraud, anything that transpires after that is a result of that illegal act and therefor no, even if he had injured one of these thugs, he walks.

 

[Fearandloathing]

I don't know this Dr. from Adam... But he might just be a genius..

He may have played UAL & the police perfectly. I mean,, a plane full of people.. Just setting in his seat.. refuses to leave ( he has responsibilities to attend ).. Everybody has a camera phone.. one thing leads to another and he's a very rich man..

Would you take a beating for several million $$$

Not saying this is what happened.. just saying..

djl

That post reveals more about your character than the situation I think.

 

[Sweden]

As far as I know, the captain of aircraft or boats are quite within their rights to ask anyone to leave. Possession of a ticket would certainly influence a civil court ruling. It does not justify resisting a captain claiming him leaving.

True: when ships ( not, ugh, boats) boats are concerned its called 'walking the plank'. I wonder if Dao had died of injuries received - not an impossibility at his age - would you still be going, like, "It's his fault, he should have done what he was told".

 

[Captain America]

I would think Dr. Dao went through at least as much pain and suffering as Hulk Hogan did as a result of Gawker posting a few minutes of a video showing Hulk having consensual sex with Bubba the Love Sponge's wife.

Let us go back and review that case and see what the Florida jury awarded.

I have a Hulk Hogan story.

My cousin, a feisty 50+ y/o lady, was standing in line once at a grand opening that The Hulk was attending. At this opening, a child came up to The Hulk and asked for a photo and autograph. The Hulk replied, (paraphrased,) "Get out of my face you punk-ass kid."

This really set my cousin off. She stormed up to The Hulk and gave him a cussing he ain't never had before. They literally had to stop her from assaulting him. She was removed by security and was threatened that they would call the cops if she didn't leave.

Now, keep in mind, this is TOTALLY out of character for this cousin of mine. She never curses. She drips in southern sweetness and politeness. But her soft spot is for kids and woe be it to the person who slights a child. Her fangs come out.

Flash forward a few years. Word in the neighborhood is that The Hulk was down the street at a custom car builder's house. (This is the place that built the hot rod Hulk's son had the wreck in that killed his friend.) All the neighborhood kids, grandkids, all ran down there hoping to get a glimpse of the Hulk. And here comes my cousin down there telling ALL the kids to leave there because The Hulk was a bad person and didn't deserve their affections. The Hulk remembered her from the past incidence. He approached her apologetically and said that the past incidence was because he "had to stay in character." He said he loves kids and didn't really mean what he said. He was just "playing a role."

She told him that these kids are the reason he is famous and that he was still a turd bag for being an asshole to them that way. Apology NOT accepted.

I think that's some funny stuff.

 

[Lutherf]

Maybe. Raising cost is a risky business move though. It it ends up being easier for them to change their policy they'll do that instead.



Personally, I've flown commercial twice in my life, and if I never fly commercial again that's fine. I didn't even know you could be "bumped" from a flight just because the airline wanted to put someone else in the seat already under your butt.

Probably that changes my perspective compared to you frequent-flyer types that knew about this and accept it as a norm.

I see it as the Airline making a promise (give me the money and you'll have a seat on this flight) then breaking their promise for inadequate reasons, possibly screwing with your arrangements (pick-up, lodging, plans, important meeting, etc) in a way that might cost you money and create problems for you.


IOW, smells like horse**** and poor treatment of paying customers to me. Not something most businesses could get away with for long.

If you fly on anything like a regular basis you'll run into all kinds of inconveniences. Flights get delayed all the time and may well be delayed after you've already boarded. You WILL, at some point, miss a flight due to a delay. Security lines can be absurdly long and even though you made sure to give yourself 2 hours to get to the plane it might not be enough. TSA might confiscate your shampoo not because you have more than 3 ounces but because those 3 ounces are in a 10 ounce bottle.

Flying used to be fun. That's no longer the case. It also becomes less fun because some jackass decides to have his "stand your ground" moment and further delays the flight you're on. Bitch boy's decision might end up panning out for him but it adversely effected everyone else on that plane.

I've said it more than once, when you're in this situation, fair or not, the grown up thing to do is swallow your frustration and get on with life. It not only save you from a bloody nose and some asshole on the internet referring to you as "bitch boy", it also saves everyone else on the plane from getting delayed.

 

[yankintx]

I don't know this Dr. from Adam... But he might just be a genius..

He may have played UAL & the police perfectly. I mean,, a plane full of people.. Just setting in his seat.. refuses to leave ( he has responsibilities to attend ).. Everybody has a camera phone.. one thing leads to another and he's a very rich man..

Would you take a beating for several million $$$

Not saying this is what happened.. just saying..

djl

Sign me up !! The guy had no problem over prescribing pain killers, which tells me he has little integrity, I am sure he was counting the $ as he was dragged off.

 

[Lutherf]

You're backing up now.

What would you have done? Simply left the plane?

See my previous quote. The issue began with an act of fraud, anything that transpires after that is a result of that illegal act and therefor no, even if he had injured one of these thugs, he walks.

Yeah, I'd have left. I'd probably have grumbled quite a bit and I'd complain but after I got that out of my system I'd have taken my beer coupon, found a place to hang out and made the best of it.

 

[polgara]

Yeah, I'd have left. I'd probably have grumbled quite a bit and I'd complain but after I got that out of my system I'd have taken my beer coupon, found a place to hang out and made the best of it.

Greetings, Lutherf. :2wave:

You are apparently more forgiving than most people, and that's unusual these days! Good for you! :thumbs: I just wonder, though, if he had been given the foresight to know what was going to happen to him, would he have taken the same path? Being right about something doesn't get you too far in the times we are now living in, and that's sad, especially at his age....

 

[Goshin]

If you fly on anything like a regular basis you'll run into all kinds of inconveniences. Flights get delayed all the time and may well be delayed after you've already boarded. You WILL, at some point, miss a flight due to a delay. Security lines can be absurdly long and even though you made sure to give yourself 2 hours to get to the plane it might not be enough. TSA might confiscate your shampoo not because you have more than 3 ounces but because those 3 ounces are in a 10 ounce bottle.

Flying used to be fun. That's no longer the case. It also becomes less fun because some jackass decides to have his "stand your ground" moment and further delays the flight you're on. Bitch boy's decision might end up panning out for him but it adversely effected everyone else on that plane.

I've said it more than once, when you're in this situation, fair or not, the grown up thing to do is swallow your frustration and get on with life. It not only save you from a bloody nose and some asshole on the internet referring to you as "bitch boy", it also saves everyone else on the plane from getting delayed.

You have some points, but there's a diff between the whole flight being delayed or canceled, vs United deciding one specific person has to give up the seat they're already in for United's convenience.