Listening to Dr Dao's attorney . . .

[Absentglare]

It has nothing to do with being authoritarian or fascist. It's a matter of being a damned adult and learning how to deal with inconveniences and/or jerks.

It's amusing that you think "being a damned adult," is the same as "blindly submitting to authority without question."

Do you think rich people should be able to unnecessarily inconvenience poor people at their leisure?

 

[lurchadams]

Yesterday it was I think, I posted an article referenced by other on line news sources, that Dao was a bad doctor convicted and sentenced for illegally dealing in prescription drugs and for sex crimes. And somebody today said this was in error and a case of mistaken identity....

TMZ was the online news source. They haven't taken down the article. I'm not a lawyer but if TMZ is wrong and this is a case of "mistaken identity" TMZ may be in line for a libel charge.

 

[lurchadams]

Did they arrest him? It's tricky really.

I go into a restaurant and pay in advance for my steak dinner. The owner comes out of the kitchen and tells me I have to leave. "No steak for you!" I refuse to leave until I get and eat my dinner. "Get away from me! I'm getting my steak dinner first!" What law have I broken?

If you paid in advance, I'd think the restaurant would return your $, before kicking you out.

 

[lurchadams]

Big time.

Another thing we learned to day -- is the Dr. was on the plane with his wife.

Is it policy to separate a husband a wife to "re-accommodate" an involuntary volunteer?

I don't know if I believe that his wife was with them. If it was the Doctor that had to be back at his hospital, why didn't the wife switch with him, take the $800 the airline was offering, have a nice dinner, a good night's sleep at a local hotel and return the next day?

 

[Trippy Trekker]

I have a Hulk Hogan story.

My cousin, a feisty 50+ y/o lady, was standing in line once at a grand opening that The Hulk was attending. At this opening, a child came up to The Hulk and asked for a photo and autograph. The Hulk replied, (paraphrased,) "Get out of my face you punk-ass kid."

This really set my cousin off. She stormed up to The Hulk and gave him a cussing he ain't never had before. They literally had to stop her from assaulting him. She was removed by security and was threatened that they would call the cops if she didn't leave.

Now, keep in mind, this is TOTALLY out of character for this cousin of mine. She never curses. She drips in southern sweetness and politeness. But her soft spot is for kids and woe be it to the person who slights a child. Her fangs come out.

Flash forward a few years. Word in the neighborhood is that The Hulk was down the street at a custom car builder's house. (This is the place that built the hot rod Hulk's son had the wreck in that killed his friend.) All the neighborhood kids, grandkids, all ran down there hoping to get a glimpse of the Hulk. And here comes my cousin down there telling ALL the kids to leave there because The Hulk was a bad person and didn't deserve their affections. The Hulk remembered her from the past incidence. He approached her apologetically and said that the past incidence was because he "had to stay in character." He said he loves kids and didn't really mean what he said. He was just "playing a role."

She told him that these kids are the reason he is famous and that he was still a turd bag for being an asshole to them that way. Apology NOT accepted.

I think that's some funny stuff.

Thank you for sharing that great story. I Love your cousin! H.H. hails from my neck of the woods.... the Tampa Bay area. His son had the DUI accident on SR60 in front of a neighborhood called Island Estates a few blocks off of Clearwater Beach.

 

[lurchadams]

He's the UAL passenger. He is 69 years old. Suffered a concussion, lost two front teeth, broke his nose and has to have reconstructive surgery for his sinuses. He has five children, four of them doctors. All he wanted to do was to get home.

Gives a whole new meaning to flying the friendly skies of United, don't ya' think?

Im thinking at LEAST $10 million. You?

I guess I'm wondering why UAL would be held liable/responsible for the behavior of the airport police? UAL did ask the police to remove Dao, but it was the police that administered Dao's injuries. Again, I'm not a lawyer, but I would think the Doc's only beef with the airline would be a "breach of contract" type of suit.

I actually had my flight canceled a couple of years ago. The airline fed me, put me up in a hotel overnight the next day and put me on an early flight the next day.

 

[Paperview]

I don't know if I believe that his wife was with them. If it was the Doctor that had to be back at his hospital, why didn't the wife switch with him, take the $800 the airline was offering, have a nice dinner, a good night's sleep at a local hotel and return the next day?

It's confirmed his wife (who is also a doctor,) was aboard the flight. That's not in question.

(and as a side note four of their children are doctors as well.)

 

[Paperview]

I guess I'm wondering why UAL would be held liable/responsible for the behavior of the airport police? UAL did ask the police to remove Dao, but it was the police that administered Dao's injuries. Again, I'm not a lawyer, but I would think the Doc's only beef with the airline would be a "breach of contract" type of suit.

I actually had my flight canceled a couple of years ago. The airline fed me, put me up in a hotel overnight the next day and put me on an early flight the next day.

There were no early flights to his destination - soonest was like 24 hours later.

 

[Lutherf]

It's amusing that you think "being a damned adult," is the same as "blindly submitting to authority without question."

Do you think rich people should be able to unnecessarily inconvenience poor people at their leisure?

That's not at all what I said and I have no idea how "rich people" have anything to do with the topic.

In life we are all confronted with unfairness and injustice from time to time. It behooves us to learn how to deal with these instances in ways that not only benefit us personally but also serve as examples to our children. Choosing to respond to an injustice by exposing your inner bitch boy serves ONLY yourself.

 

[Manc Skipper]

That's not at all what I said and I have no idea how "rich people" have anything to do with the topic.

In life we are all confronted with unfairness and injustice from time to time. It behooves us to learn how to deal with these instances in ways that not only benefit us personally but also serve as examples to our children. Choosing to respond to an injustice by exposing your inner bitch boy serves ONLY yourself.

So you believe that those who stand against injustice deserve a broken nose and teeth?

 

[Lutherf]

You have some points, but there's a diff between the whole flight being delayed or canceled, vs United deciding one specific person has to give up the seat they're already in for United's convenience.

I understand that. United also understand that because they offer compensation for such an inconvenience.

Nobody on the plane chose to accept compensation for a given inconvenience. The carrier then chose to insist that someone get off the plane. They are allowed to do that. It's part of the carrier contract you agree to when flying. If you disagree with that decision you can take it up with management, you can call the local news, you can broadcast your dismissal on Facebook Live



....or you can choose to be bitch boy.

 

[Lutherf]

So you believe that those who stand against injustice deserve a broken nose and teeth?

No, those who choose to stand against injustice have a number of options with regard to how they make that stand. If they choose to make their stand at the end of a fist that's their decision.

 

[Goshin]

I understand that. United also understand that because they offer compensation for such an inconvenience.

Nobody on the plane chose to accept compensation for a given inconvenience. The carrier then chose to insist that someone get off the plane. They are allowed to do that. It's part of the carrier contract you agree to when flying. If you disagree with that decision you can take it up with management, you can call the local news, you can broadcast your dismissal on Facebook Live



....or you can choose to be bitch boy.

So.... refusing to comply with BS even to the point of getting pretty badly hurt... equals Bitch Boy?


I think in other context you'd consider it manly. Maybe not bright, but manly.


Are you sure you're not projecting your dislike of him as a person onto the situation?

 

[AlbqOwl]

I take all those stories about "The guy is a pervert" with more than a grain of salt and, frankly, none of that stuff is applicable to what happened on the plane.

I also agree that the guy was mistreated. There doesn't seem to be any doubt about that.

My only other contention is that when a situation goes south the way this one did it's ALWAYS mixed fault. The doctor, when confronted with an unpleasant and unfair situation, chose to be a little bitch boy about things. Nobody forced him to behave the way he did.

Bottom line, some days you're the bat and some days you're the ball. That's the way life goes. If you're offered a little bit of compensation for your day as the ball, you are coming out WAY ahead of most others who will also suffer some unfairness and/or indignity that day.

I am assuming however that the reports that the doctor existed only passive resistance is accurate. And to inflict physical injury to him in the process of removing him from the plane, I simply can find no justification for.

 

[AlbqOwl]

TMZ was the online news source. They haven't taken down the article. I'm not a lawyer but if TMZ is wrong and this is a case of "mistaken identity" TMZ may be in line for a libel charge.

TMZ is not the only source to report the misidentification though if that in fact was the case. I don't know that they were the original source. I don't remember what source I used but it was somebody citing the information as coming from TMZ. And then I saw the same kind of report on the AOL News Feed, and I'm not sure that they even mentioned TMZ.

I do have to acknowledge though that the media has been pretty crappy, sometimes deliberately and sometimes out of incompetence, re adequately fact checking harmful information before they publish it regarding somebody.

And again, if it was UAL's attorneys feeding that to the press, I'm not sure where the liability lies.

 

[Geoist]

Just watch the video -- the screaming, the crying, the carrying on. The refusal to budge in and of itself, from a legal standpoint.

I haven't heard of many cases lost because the defendant/plaintiff was crying at the time.

 

[Captain America]

Thank you for sharing that great story. I Love your cousin! H.H. hails from my neck of the woods.... the Tampa Bay area. His son had the DUI accident on SR60 in front of a neighborhood called Island Estates a few blocks off of Clearwater Beach.

Yup. My cousin's neighbor souped up that car.

They live in Land O' Lakes just north of Tampa.

I will be down in your neck of the woods at the end of the month.

 

[Harshaw]

I haven't heard of many cases lost because the defendant/plaintiff was crying at the time.

1) I didn't say the case would be lost; I said it would be a mitigating factor

2) I didn't say the mitigating factor would be the "crying"; I said it would be the unreasonable behavior

3) A plaintiff crying could very well tip a case, depending on the circumstances

 

[Lutherf]

So.... refusing to comply with BS even to the point of getting pretty badly hurt... equals Bitch Boy?


I think in other context you'd consider it manly. Maybe not bright, but manly.


Are you sure you're not projecting your dislike of him as a person onto the situation?

I'm saying that any activity which results in you getting dragged down the aisle of an airplane like you're an insolent toddler qualifies you as "bitch boy".

 

[Lutherf]

I am assuming however that the reports that the doctor existed only passive resistance is accurate. And to inflict physical injury to him in the process of removing him from the plane, I simply can find no justification for.

The guy didn't deserve a beating but, right or wrong, he did need to leave the plane. He chose to do it the hard way.

 

[Helix]

and somebody green lighted this policy. i have often wondered why there isn't someone in these policy meetings, saying, "uh, guys? yeah, uh, hi. just wanted to say that this 'physically remove them from the flight while potentially giving them the injury option because we overbooked' is probably going to be more trouble than it's worth, especially considering that ALMOST EVERY ****ING HUMAN BEING IN THE FIRST WORLD IS CARRYING A VIDEO CAMERA 24/7. yeah, just sort of figured that we should consider this."

FFS. between this and the epi pen price fiasco, you have to wonder if anyone at these meetings knows what PR or risk management even means.

 

[AlbqOwl]

and somebody green lighted this policy. i have often wondered why there isn't someone in these policy meetings, saying, "uh, guys? yeah, uh, hi. just wanted to say that this 'physically remove them from the flight while potentially giving them the injury option because we overbooked' is probably going to be more trouble than it's worth, especially considering that ALMOST EVERY ****ING HUMAN BEING IN THE FIRST WORLD IS CARRYING A VIDEO CAMERA 24/7. yeah, just sort of figured that we should consider this."

FFS. between this and the epi pen price fiasco, you have to wonder if anyone at these meetings knows what PR or risk management even means.

No argument from me there. I can't imagine why somebody in charge didn't stop this P.R. nightmare before it ever got started.

 

[Goshin]

I'm saying that any activity which results in you getting dragged down the aisle of an airplane like you're an insolent toddler qualifies you as "bitch boy".

Would he have still been a bitch boy if he'd kicked the officer in the teeth and gone down fighting?

 

[Paperview]

 

[Lutherf]

Would he have still been a bitch boy if he'd kicked the officer in the teeth and gone down fighting?

No. Getting dragged out on your ass makes you a bitch boy. Taking two or three cops out before they get you off the plane makes you a felon but completely avoids the bitch boy designation.