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Liberalism vs. Biblical Christianity [W:463]

Re: Liberalism vs. Biblical Christianity

wellwisher said:
I think Jesus said something about being hypocrites. The Pharisees, who were the self appointed PC of the day, would get their mule out of the mud if it was struck in the mud on the Sabbath. Yet, they were the first to judge others, who did similar things. In terms of a modern example, the whites, males, straights and Christians can be globally accused of anything by the modern leftist PC Pharisees. However, if any of their voter blocks; colored, female, homosexual and relative morality, are accused of the same thing, the rules are different. Like the Pharisees the Liberals exempt themselves from what they accuse others of.

Where the Democrats do appear to look like Christians, is in the statement by Jesus; blessed are the poor, the sick, the hungry, etc.. It is also in the statement that is difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. This is reflected in the social conscienceless for the poor and needy; social programs, It is reflected in an anti-business and anti-rich philosophy, unless the poor are white, or the rich vote Democrat; Pharisees. Bill Gates is very rich but since he contributes to the Democrats, it gets a pass.

Jesus cam to for fill the law. He reduced the burden of the law and said there are only now two commandments or laws require by God, which are love God and love your neighbor. This is where the Democrats fail. Their hearts are filled with hate. Also the Democrats appears to be overrun with lawyers who have expanded the law, away from the simplicity of two laws. Trump is heading in the right direction. Lawyers were a problem in the day of Jesus, since the law was not enforced the same for all; Hillary.

Jesus also said, render into Caesars what is Caesar's and render onto God what is God's. This has to do with trying to be a good person, while also obeying the law of the land, such as immigration laws; good citizen. Render onto God, in the spirit of love, could imply making changes, but by the book. It is not about games, cheating and lawlessness.

If you add it up, the Democrat party is like a Christian sheep, on the outside, but an anti-christian wolf on the inside. Jesus said one can tell the health of a tree by the fruit it bears. It is not about the lip service that says my tree makes the best fruit. Rather it is about collecting samples of fruits and seeing if there are worms and bruises; actions. The ends justifies the means is not Christian. looks good on the surface but has rotten core.

The Republicans are a more like modern version of Christianity, connected to the Roman Catholic merger and the Catholic church. They are blend of Roman and Christian influences render onto Caesar and God. Being strong, prosperous, and law abiding is connected to the Roman side, while being moral is the Christian side.

The Catholic Church also instituted the seven deadly sins. These are envy, gluttony, greed/avarice, lust, pride, sloth and wrath. The approach of the right is to not be led by any of these sins, but to live in a way where the impact is less.

Envy. Jesus never said the rich were evil, he said this path of acquiring wealth makes it hard to enter heaven, since it offers too many distractions away from the focus. If one pursues wealth be aware of the impact on your soul. Be generous to others and the community. It is not about Democrat envy and the need to punish the rich and steal their money, with taxes. This actions not designed to help the rich reach heaven, but to appease leftist envy.

The Democrats do good with gluttony since they preach healthy eating. I am not going to do the rest since these are self evident.
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I'll comment on this when I get back to my home office.
 
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Elvira said:
I think Jesus would laugh that anyone assumes he is a political figure...he stands for God's Theocracy...
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Theocracy is political. Anything that puts someone in charge and has followers is political, no matter how you want to dress it up. JW is a political organization pretending not to be.
 
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it's just me said:
Then I would suggest that you use a better comparison. And had I been in Paul's shoes I would have done the same thing. Nobody in the Church has a right to teach heresy.
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And how does anyone determine what heresy is?
 
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zyzygy said:
You don't have any pearls.
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Somehow, it always seems that people who keep on quoting that is just using a biblical passage to call people pigs
 
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it's just me said:
The have to agree or be disfellowshipped.
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Why would anyone wanna belong to an org that you are not in agreement with? Doesn't make sense...and the disfellowshipping is for those who commit gross sins and who remain unrepentant...that way the congregation is kept clean, orderly, and peaceful...1 Cor. 14:33,40
 
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Elvira said:
Why would anyone wanna belong to an org that you are not in agreement with? Doesn't make sense...and the disfellowshipping is for those who commit gross sins and who remain unrepentant...that way the congregation is kept clean, orderly, and peaceful...1 Cor. 14:33,40
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And who determines that they have sinned? I thought that was left to god. And what of forgiveness? JW's are casting stones from their glass houses.

Watchtower Disfellowshipping Offences - JWFacts
 
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RAMOSS said:
Somehow, it always seems that people who keep on quoting that is just using a biblical passage to call people pigs
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While ignoring the pearls of science.
 
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Logicman said:
Nope. I just try to weed out those who refuse to learn. The ones with their minds closed.
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incorrect you just don't want to debate your opinion I questioned your position. You refuse to talk about it. Then you suggest I'm refusing to learn because I questioned you.

You refusing to answer questions because you can't. You can call me every name in the book If you don't answer questions you come off as a charlatan.
 
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Elvira said:
Why would anyone wanna belong to an org that you are not in agreement with? Doesn't make sense...and the disfellowshipping is for those who commit gross sins and who remain unrepentant...that way the congregation is kept clean, orderly, and peaceful...1 Cor. 14:33,40
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Dunno if it's possible since you are on the inside, but have you ever tried to put yourself in the shoes of someone who was raised and JW, but at around age 20 could no longer continue trying to pretend they weren't gay and thus were kicked out? Lost friends, family, a great portion of their lives. Some things are not really just a "choice" like what to eat for lunch. I didn't meet that guy until about a decade later, but he was psychologically damaged by it.
 
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<alt>doxygen said:
Dunno if it's possible since you are on the inside, but have you ever tried to put yourself in the shoes of someone who was raised and JW, but at around age 20 could no longer continue trying to pretend they weren't gay and thus were kicked out? Lost friends, family, a great portion of their lives. Some things are not really just a "choice" like what to eat for lunch. I didn't meet that guy until about a decade later, but he was psychologically damaged by it.
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All actions are choices...
 
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Elvira said:
All actions are choices...
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In a literal sense, maybe. But could you choose to be gay and actually go through life that way? Now, consider the shoe on the other foot.

I could not be gay if I wanted to. I am straight, yet I never chose to be.

Elvira - not picking on JW's here. Many religions/denominations operate the same way.
 
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Elvira said:
LOL...there are so many fallacies in that article, i don't know where to begin...for starters, there are no "employees" in the org...all work is done on a voluntary basis...the rest is gibberish, as well...SMH...
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That you would deny the shenanigans of your cult is of course not surprising. That's all that you and your equally misguided fellows have, stick a finger in each ear and shout "not true, not true".
 
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Elvira said:
Why would anyone wanna belong to an org that you are not in agreement with? Doesn't make sense...and the disfellowshipping is for those who commit gross sins and who remain unrepentant...that way the congregation is kept clean, orderly, and peaceful...1 Cor. 14:33,40
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Because if I ever meet a crowd of people who agree with me all the time on everything I know we are not communicating. There is enough room in Christianity to accommodate geography, worship tradition, level of experience, language, you name it. In my jurisdiction we have South Americans, Kenyans, Ethiopians, Nigerians and North Americans. If we all had to agree on every little point we wouldn't even understand each other. So we agree on the few mandatory things that the Church has always taught and leave the rest to God.
 
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Elvira said:
Yet you will not find any one organization/denomination more united than the one I belong to...over 8 million people world wide all in unison with all beliefs because we stick to the Bible implicitly...look for that anywhere else...you can't find it because there is no such animal anywhere else...no infighting going on with JW's...ever...
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:roll: :lamo
 
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it's just me said:
Because if I ever meet a crowd of people who agree with me all the time on everything I know we are not communicating. There is enough room in Christianity to accommodate geography, worship tradition, level of experience, language, you name it. In my jurisdiction we have South Americans, Kenyans, Ethiopians, Nigerians and North Americans. If we all had to agree on every little point we wouldn't even understand each other. So we agree on the few mandatory things that the Church has always taught and leave the rest to God.
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Yeah, we can see the results of that in the world now...civil unrest galore...
 
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spud_meister said:
No, I'm challenging your idea that wrong is context-dependent. No, Paul was a misogynist and rejected the idea of women having authority over men.
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Paul was a product of his culture and time but he was no misogynist. Women and men sat separately in the synagogue if they attended at all--there was no requirement for them to do so--and no doubt that was also a tradition in the early Church. It was not doctrinal. It was simply cultural and felt as normal to them as whatever proper decorum feels normal to the modern day Church. It was also strong tradition in Paul's Pharisaic Jewish world that, while the wife had a great deal of power and influence in the Jewish home and community and her worth was beyond measure, the man was the head of the household as God had ordained. Therefore the Rabbi/preacher was addressing the men and the gentile women untrained in Jewish order, some distance from the men, were probably yelling out "What did he say?" It would be disruptive to the service.

The 'misogyny' in the Jewish family, that carried over to the synagogue and almost certainly carried over to the early Christian congregation as well, was the strong concept that the father was the head of the household, the provider and protector of the family and the final authority. The woman was the heart of the home, the stable and nourishing influence and teacher of the children, but she also held a great deal of power, and managed the household resources as well as sometimes having a sideline career of her own. And the children would grow up with the strong support of security, stability, confidence, self worth and well trained in the value of a loving, orderly and supportive society. While I do not object to more enlightened concepts re women in the modern world, nevertheless if there was more of that First Century sense of order and place in the home, in the church, in the community, and in the world today, we wouldn't have many many of the problems that we now have.

A careful reading of Paul's doctrines reveal much of that cultural influence and, within the larger context of his teachings are an instruction in doing all things decently and in order. His instructions for women to be quiet in the church service was within that larger context. As the Jewish cultural influence gradually became absorbed into but ore diluted by the non-Jewish cultures of the early Church, Christianity would do much to elevate the status and opportunities for women in society which yielded some great things for us women and some things not so great.
 
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Elvira said:
All actions are choices...
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being gay or hetero isn't an action, it's a state of being.
Just like color of eyes or hair isn't an action (and thus a choice) either.
 
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