LGBT+ pride marches in US interrupted by neo-Nazis and stampede

[GodlessBrandy]

It's completely rational to punch Nazis in the face. Why is this a hill you want to die on? Why do you want to defend people that advocate the murder of Non-Aryans?

I'm not defending them, I'm defending the right to have a view that I don't agree with. If you were to tell me that you love sheep and would love to have sex with sheep, I would have no issue with that at all, but if you actually did it, that would be different, because a ewe cannot consent to having sex with you.

 

[CMPancake]

I'm not defending them, I'm defending the right to have a view that I don't agree with.

You're defending an ideology that effectively seeks to dismantle that right. In order to have a tolerant society, we need to paradoxically be intolerant of genocidal ideologies. History shows that violence is the only thing that stops fascism.

If you were to tell me that you love sheep and would love to have sex with sheep, I would have no issue with that at all, but if you actually did it, that would be different, because a ewe cannot consent to sex with you.

You're seemingly not understanding there is a demonstrable difference between Nazism and literally everything else. Nazism isn't a weird fetish, or a diet. You're literally defending people that don't only condone the murder of millions of people, but ultimately aim to recreate it.

 

[GodlessBrandy]

You're defending an ideology that effectively seeks to dismantle that right. In order to have a tolerant society, we need to paradoxically be intolerant of genocidal ideologies. History shows that violence is the only thing that stops fascism.



You're seemingly not understanding there is a demonstrable difference between Nazism and literally everything else. Nazism isn't a weird fetish, or a diet. You're literally defending people that don't only condone the murder of millions of people, but ultimately aim to recreate it.

And you are not seemingly understanding that there is a difference between having a view and actively putting that view in motion. As a free society we need to tolerate opposing points of view, for instance I believe you have every right to think the way that you do, even though I may not agree with you. But I will defend your right to have that view.

To advocate killing someone just because they have a point of view you do not agree with is absurd.

 

[CMPancake]

And you are not seemingly understanding that there is a difference between having a view and actively putting that view in motion.

The only thing preventing Nazis from putting their ideology into practice is numbers and letting Nazis practice publicly only generates more Nazis.

As a free society we need to tolerate opposing points of view, for instance I believe you have every right to think the way that you do, even though I may not agree with you. But I will defend your right to have that view.

That's a great warm and tingly feeling to have, but people insisting on this point of view allowed for the genocide of millions of people. You're actively trying to dodge that your philosophy condones the behavior of Nazis.

To advocate killing someone just because they have a point of view you do not agree with is absurd.

Jesus titty ****ing Christ, your complete indifference and minimization of genocidal fascists is stunning. Quit trying to church up your political belief, you believe Nazis should be allowed to be treated like people despite knowing full well Nazis do not deserve to be treated like their left handed or some ****.

 

[GodlessBrandy]

The only thing preventing Nazis from putting their ideology into practice is numbers and letting Nazis practice publicly only generates more Nazis.



That's a great warm and tingly feeling to have, but people insisting on this point of view allowed for the genocide of millions of people. You're actively trying to dodge that your philosophy condones the behavior of Nazis.



Jesus titty ****ing Christ, your complete indifference and minimization of genocidal fascists is stunning. Quit trying to church up your political belief, you believe Nazis should be allowed to be treated like people despite knowing full well Nazis do not deserve to be treated like their left handed or some ****.

As I said I do not agree with you, but I do agree you have a right to say what you think. All you do by suppressing the ability to say what you think is creating an underground format. If you believe that killing people is justified based upon what they believe is OK then you have every right to say that. And I equally have every right to say it's utter nonsense.

If I killed everyone I disagreed with based upon thinking that what they believe may be dangerous, then everyone holding a religious view of god would be dead. And that would just be the start.

 

[CMPancake]

As I said I do not agree with you, but I do agree you have a right to say what you think. All you do by suppressing the ability to say what you think is creating an underground format.

Nazis don't deserve the niceties of a public forum. They're Nazis.

If you believe that killing people is justified based upon what they believe is OK

Yes because they're NAZIS.

then you have every right to say that. And I equally have every right to say it's utter nonsense.

Only people who believe that beating up Nazis is wrong are Nazis, Nazi sympathizers, and "centrists" who want to find some sort of middle ground between human people and Nazis.

 

[GodlessBrandy]

Nazis don't deserve the niceties of a public forum. They're Nazis.




Yes because they're NAZIS.



Only people who believe that beating up Nazis is wrong are Nazis, Nazi sympathizers, and "centrists" who want to find some sort of middle ground between human people and Nazis.

OK then let me put in a way you might be able to comprehend.

You are advocating a view that I find absurd, irrational, and potentially dangerous, do I have the right to kill you?

Obviously not.

But that's Ok, because you have the right to think the way you do. As long as all you do is express it verbally.

 

[CMPancake]

OK then let me put in a way you might be able to comprehend.

You are advocating a view that I find absurd, irrational, and potentially dangerous, do I have the right to kill you?

Depends. Am I advocating for the genocide of millions of people? Your mindset only works if we consider Nazism is an idea that deserves to be respected and protected.

But that's Ok, because you have the right to think the way you do. As long as all you do is express it verbally.

I have this right because Nazis were gunned down and executed like the filth they are. Nazi Germany didn't fall due to diplomacy and the peaceful exchange of ideas.

 

[GodlessBrandy]

Depends. Am I advocating for the genocide of millions of people?

No you are just advocating the killing of people you don't like and want dead. Which is exactly the mentality of every tyrant and dictator that ever committed genocide.

Your mindset only works if we consider Nazism is an idea that deserves to be respected and protected.

Wrong, I don't respect your opinion or theirs. But I will defend your right to say it.

I have this right because Nazis were gunned down and executed like the filth they are. Nazi Germany didn't fall due to diplomacy and the peaceful exchange of ideas.

Then you should also be advocating that African Americans and Aboriginals have the right to kill White Americans for slavery and the attempted genocide, respectively, of their Fathers. The Irish and Scots should kill the English. Koreans should kill the Japanese. Etc. For the atrocities of the past.

 

[CMPancake]

No you are just advocating the killing of people you don't like and want dead.

They're not people, they're Nazis. Nazis do not get to be treated like people, they deserve to get treated like Nazis.

Which is exactly the mentality of every tyrant and dictator that ever committed genocide.

Or you know, the Allied Forces that decided that Nazis were bad and needed to cut their **** out by way of gunfire.

Wrong, I don't respect your opinion or theirs. But I will defend your right to say it.

You can't defend a damn thing if you believe we can't commit violence against subhumans like Nazis.

Then you should also be advocating that African Americans and Aboriginals have the right to kill White Americans for slavery

If White Americans were rallying around to call for the enslavement of blacks then black Americans have every right to kill them. This really isn't that hard.

and the attempted genocide, respectively, of their Fathers. The Irish and Scots should kill the English. Koreans should kill the Japanese. Etc. For the atrocities of the past.

None of those groups are presently rallying together as a political party to cull the other. Please try and keep up with the fact that Nazis are not people. It really shouldn't be that hard of a concept.

 

[GodlessBrandy]

They're not people, they're Nazis. Nazis do not get to be treated like people, they deserve to get treated like Nazis.


Please try and keep up with the fact that Nazis are not people. It really shouldn't be that hard of a concept.

As I said, you are entitled to say whatever you like. I don't like Nazi's either, and a whole lot of other people, I may even advocate killing them. But not just because they have an opinion I don't agree with.

Your whole argument is absurd. Your argument that anyone whom you find to be offensive is not human, and deserves to be killed, seriously borders upon a mental separation from reality.

You do realize I hope, that the very ideas you are expressing are the same ones that America had regarding slaves. That they were not human, or were sub-human, and that was the justification they had and used to enslave and murder them.

And incidentally was the same argument the Nazi's used to murder millions of Jews and Others, that they were not human.


Once you convince yourself that someone or a group is not human, it makes it easier to justify killing them.

 

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[CLAX1911]

Or make more roaches.

I disagree I want them there I want them front-and-center I want everyone to see. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. These people hate everyone.

 

[CMPancake]

As I said, you are entitled to say whatever you like.

And again, you can hold this opinion because of people with actual scruples punching out Nazis. You can thank the Allied Forces whenever you like.

I don't like Nazi's either, and a whole lot of other people, I may even advocate killing them. But not just because they have an opinion I don't agree with.

You were so close to getting the point but absolutely missed it.

Nazis want to kill you. They want to kill you because of the fact you believe in free speech. Nazis don't deserve free speech, they deserve a swift boot to the neck and if they want to continue advocating for the genocide of Non-Aryans than that is between them and their creator.

Your whole argument is absurd.

What is absurd about punching Nazis because Nazis are bad? It's literally the premise of World War II.

Your argument that anyone whom you find to be offensive is not human, and deserves to be killed, seriously borders upon a mental separation from reality.

Here you go trying to church up and dress up Nazism as some vague, ambiguous set of ideas that do not have dangerous ramifications.

Do you think Nazis are people deserving of respect? Yes or no.

You do realize I hope, that the very ideas you are expressing are the same ones that America had regarding slaves. That they were not human, or were sub-human, and that was the justification they had to enslave and murder them.

Yeah I do. We also had a whole ****ing war about why owning slaves is a bad thing. Did you skip all the bits of history that are inconvenient for this "tolerance for fascism" arguments? The people that fought to continue dehumanizing black people were burned to the ground in Atlanta. How the hell is it 2019 and I'm arguing with someone that it's a good thing to punch Nazis and slave owners?

 

[GodlessBrandy]

Do you think Nazis are people deserving of respect? Yes or no.

Clearly the answer is no. Them or you.

Suffice it to say I am done with this conversation as clearly you are advocating the killing of people who incidentally share some of your same views.

You do realize I hope, that the very ideas you are expressing are the same ones that America had regarding slaves. That they were not human, or were sub-human, and that was the justification they had and used to enslave and murder them.

And incidentally was the one of the very same arguments the Nazi's used to murder millions of Jews, Gypsies, and Others, that they were not human, or were sub-human.

Once you convince yourself that someone or a group is not human, or is sub-human, it makes it easier to justify killing them.

Edit: altering your position from killing to punching is lame

 

[3leftsdoo]

LGBT+ pride marches in US interrupted by neo-Nazis and stampede | The Independent


In Detroit, an armed white supremacist group called the National Socialist Movement (NSM) descended on the annual Motor City Pride Festival, where they held placards, gave Nazi salutes and displayed armbands with swastikas.

I am without words....

If by "descended" you mean "peaceably assembled," I am without words that this renders you speechless.

Free speech = A thing

 

[3leftsdoo]

No one makes bigots, except other bigots. There is no excuse or reason or justification for bigotry.

Bizarre and baseless assertion regarding the sole source of bigotry. And yet pretty much everyone is a bigot.

:shrug:

 

[3leftsdoo]

How many does it take you to become whelmed?

Speaking for myself, vast multiples of this pathetic number.

Did folks grow up in Disneyland or the real world?

Lots of idiots in the latter; the former is an expensive fantasy.

 

[3leftsdoo]

"Poor, poor nazis. They're just abused by the left. Otherwise, there wouldn't be nazis!"

That's apologism.

That's an argument no one here is making.

 

[3leftsdoo]

While we're thinking it's clear you're good with at lest 10 racist punks. The fact that number is above zero should make you ashamed of yourself.

Captain Adverse should be ashamed that there are racist punks in the world?

 

[3leftsdoo]

Oh, yes, condemning racism definitely creates nazis. "It's best if people just accept them."

Weirdest straw man argument ever...

 

[3leftsdoo]

Ah, so my acceptance of one's freedom of expression, and lack of being impressed by the tiny turnout...which shows just how little impact such groups really have in our society...

THAT makes it clear I am "good" with this ideology?

Well I disagree. I am simply not impressed, because they are such a minor nuisance easily dealt with when and if they ever act up. The only thing to fear is one or more "acting up" in some hate crime to gain notoriety and seem more important a threat than they really are. That's what the FBI Counter-Terrorism undercover activity is designed to discover and prevent.

Meanwhile, as a person who supported the ACLU's free expression lawsuit for the Nazis march in Skokie (by the way, even back then the number of Nazis who showed were similarly small) I can accept their free expression without meaning I support their ideology.

Why do you love the Constitution??? :2mad:

 

[3leftsdoo]

I did no such thing, just disagreed with you what creates bigotry. What you just said is very insulting. But go ahead, repeat it.

It's an extremely bizarre straw man that was built there; it doesn't remotely resemble you or your comments.

 

[3leftsdoo]

You said outing nazis might create more of them.

That's validating and justifying nazis by blaming their creation on others. It gives them legitimacy.

Only nazis create nazis. People opposing nazis, by outing them, do not create nazis.

Incorrect.

Incorrect. Incorrect.

Incorrect. Bizarre comment.

 

[3leftsdoo]

Why do conservatives always come in and minimize neo-Nazis? Seriously, you giys can't wait to say you don'tbgive a ****.

Neo-Nazis minimize themselves.

They are minimal.

The sky is not falling.

Trump is not New Zombie Hitler.

You're welcome.