Kirsten Gillibrand has dropped out of the 2020 presidential race

[PLizzy]

Do you really believe they thought they had a chance? Of course not, but it was a chance to get an extra bit of media time and try to make themselves relavent. There are still many, many more that need to stop sucking the air out of the democrat primary campaign. Others will fall pretty quickly after the next debate.

Gillibrand probably believed she could win, but the rest are just ego maniacs that love the limelight.

 

[ttwtt78640]

If the Senate is doing nothing, it's Mitch McConnell's fault, not hers.

OK, more whataboutisms. Mitch is in no way preventing any Senator from writing bills so that the people can see what they are currently being denied floor votes on by Mitch. The "I couldn't get bill X passed therefore I didn't bother to write bill X" is an excuse not a reason for legislative inaction.

 

[PLizzy]

Man, yeah.

I'm glad the DNC raised the standards for the fall debates to thin the herd out and remove these bottom feeders, who deluded themselves into believing they could ever win. I honestly don't get why so many are pissed at them. For once they did something right and at the exact moment it needed to be done.

Their rules certainly are bringing on the heartbreak.

 

[Juggernaut74]

OK, more whataboutisms. Mitch is in no way preventing any Senator from writing bills so that the people can see what they are currently being denied floor votes on by Mitch. The "I couldn't get bill X passed therefore I didn't bother to write bill X" is an excuse not a reason for legislative inaction.

Surely you’re not naive enough to believe that Congressfolk/Senators sit down themselves and put pen to paper when it comes to writing up bills?

 

[ttwtt78640]

Surely you’re not naive enough to believe that Congressfolk/Senators sit down themselves and put pen to paper when it comes to writing up bills?

Of course not - that might lead to accountability and actually having to define an "issue position". It's much more fun to talk in general 'campaign promise' terms like "my detailed plan would be a great improvement and will prove to be much less expensive in the long run".

 

[Fletch]

Gillibrand probably believed she could win, but the rest are just ego maniacs that love the limelight.

There is zero reason to give her the benefit of the doubt as you just did. There is no one who ever believed she had a chance and if she actually did believe that, then she is delusional

 

[akyron]

She did dress nice at Byrds funeral with the other demokkkrats.



She seems too much of an opportunist.

 

[tres borrachos]

OK, more whataboutisms. Mitch is in no way preventing any Senator from writing bills so that the people can see what they are currently being denied floor votes on by Mitch. The "I couldn't get bill X passed therefore I didn't bother to write bill X" is an excuse not a reason for legislative inaction.

It isn't a "whataboutism". WTF? It's a fact. He is the Senate majority leader. Gillibrand is one of 50. She doesn't have the power to decide what is getting voted on, what bills are being debated, and what happens on the daily agenda. McConnell does. Fact.

How do you know she never wrote any bills?

 

[PLizzy]

There is zero reason to give her the benefit of the doubt as you just did. There is no one who ever believed she had a chance and if she actually did believe that, then she is delusional

I said in the OP that anyone below the top ten is delusional.

 

[tres borrachos]

Gillibrand probably believed she could win, but the rest are just ego maniacs that love the limelight.

What limelight is Ryan experiencing right now? Delaney? Bullock? Are they making headlines? Are they being discussed on the political talk shows? Will they be on the debate stage? The answer is no, and when they leave the race, nobody will remember them. The only people paying attention to the primary now are political junkies. The first primary is 6 months away, and most people probably couldn't list more than 3 candidates for the Democratic nomination.

It isn't about limelight. They want to win.

The progressives and the front runners have to suck it up and let others play in the race. Look how well it worked out that the Democrats whored Mrs. Clinton in 2016 and wouldn't give even a little support to Sanders and Webb and O'Malley. Thanks to that misdeed, we are stuck with that bloated fraud Trump as President.

 

[Fletch]

I said in the OP that anyone below the top ten is delusional.

Fair enough. I personally think they are all delusional but the field is very weak and one of them has to win. Its sort of surprising that after Hillary and Obama, you guys developed no bench

 

[ttwtt78640]

It isn't a "whataboutism". WTF? It's a fact. He is the Senate majority leader. Gillibrand is one of 50. She doesn't have the power to decide what is getting voted on, what bills are being debated, and what happens on the daily agenda. McConnell does. Fact.

How do you know she never wrote any bills?

I never claimed that she wrote no bills. Since her transformation from a moderate House member to a far left US Senator she has been quite active.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/browse?sponsor=412223#enacted_ex=on

Kirsten Gillibrand, Senator for New York - GovTrack.us

 

[tres borrachos]

I never claimed that she wrote no bills. Since her transformation from a moderate House member to a far left US Senator she has been quite active.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/browse?sponsor=412223#enacted_ex=on

Kirsten Gillibrand, Senator for New York - GovTrack.us

So she introduced a bill in April of this year while she was running for President and eating corn dogs. Good for her.

 

[PLizzy]

What limelight is Ryan experiencing right now? Delaney? Bullock? Are they making headlines? Are they being discussed on the political talk shows? Will they be on the debate stage? The answer is no, and when they leave the race, nobody will remember them. The only people paying attention to the primary now are political junkies. The first primary is 6 months away, and most people probably couldn't list more than 3 candidates for the Democratic nomination.

It isn't about limelight. They want to win.

The progressives and the front runners have to suck it up and let others play in the race. Look how well it worked out that the Democrats whored Mrs. Clinton in 2016 and wouldn't give even a little support to Sanders and Webb and O'Malley. Thanks to that misdeed, we are stuck with that bloated fraud Trump as President.

The moderates get waaaaay too much attention on cable news. I see Delaney, Bullock, Bennet, and Ryan on all the time, despite them polling at 0-1% in the polls.

Why are they staying in? Do they really think there's going to be some break out moment for them? That kind of delusion is pathetic, as well ego-centered.

The public has made it clear that their message is not inspiring and they're not interested in hearing more from them, so they should swallow their pride and get out of the race, so the show people are interested in can happen sooner.

 

[Cardinal]

Her insinuation that Biden didn't care about women's rights demonstrated she has no idea what people want to hear and will believe.

Pre-Trump she would have been laughed off the stage.

Shrug. Yeah, she made mistakes that drove her out of the race. She still would have been a fine President. Not, like...a spectacular President, but a fine one just the same and a thousand times better than what we've got now.

Anyway, I'm not bothered, because although it's fantastically early to be making predictions, I still think Warren will be the nominee and I'm very happy with that.

 

[American]

They are certainly not considering the party by staying in this long. Just tossing a Molotov cocktail into the already fractured Democratic Party.

Just go already.

Be a good little Democrat lemming and GTFO of the race.

 

[tres borrachos]

The moderates get waaaaay too much attention on cable news. I see Delaney, Bullock, Bennet, and Ryan on all the time, despite them polling at 0-1% in the polls.

Why are they staying in? Do they really think there's going to be some break out moment for them? That kind of delusion is pathetic, as well ego-centered.

The public has made it clear that their message is not inspiring and they're not interested in hearing more from them, so they should swallow their pride and get out of the race, so the show people are interested in can happen sooner.

I live in NH - the nation's first primary - and I have not heard any of their names even once. I watch Morning Joe every day, and they never mention their names. Ever. It's always Biden, Warren, and Sanders. And some Mayor Pete.

The moderates stay in because there are a lot of lifelong Republicans like me who won't vote for Trump and don't want to vote for someone too left. And not all Democrats are far left. Putting up someone way too extreme is going to ensure that idiot's second term.

The public has not made it clear that their message is not inspiring. Most of them are complete unknowns here. The public has not weighed in yet. There hasn't even been a single vote cast.

 

[PLizzy]

Shrug. Yeah, she made mistakes that drove her out of the race. She still would have been a fine President. Not, like...a spectacular President, but a fine one just the same and a thousand times better than what we've got now.

Anyway, I'm not bothered, because although it's fantastically early to be making predictions, I still think Warren will be the nominee and I'm very happy with that.

Way, way too early for that kind of happy dancing brother. We've got a long way to go. Biden can still win this easy enough.

When you add up the support of Warren, Sanders O'Rourke, Booker, Castro, Yang, Styer, Gabbard, and Williamson, the progressive vote would be in the low to mid 40's. Biden is stuck at 30% and there are no clear moderates aside from Klobuchar who have support. There are 8-10% who are 'undecided' in the polls, which as things stand now, would likely vote for Biden when they pay attention, which would theoretically put him at 40%.

What would be the tie breaker in that scenario are the supporters of Harris and Buttigieg, who add up to 11%. Those voters could vote for a progressive or Biden, and how they split up would be the winning trick as things stand at the moment, but a lot can change these metrics.

If anything can hurt Biden it's Warren's electability metrics rising via more debates, and/or Harris rising again and pulling some of his moderate support.

 

[PLizzy]

I live in NH - the nation's first primary - and I have not heard any of their names even once. I watch Morning Joe every day, and they never mention their names. Ever. It's always Biden, Warren, and Sanders. And some Mayor Pete.

The moderates stay in because there are a lot of lifelong Republicans like me who won't vote for Trump and don't want to vote for someone too left. And not all Democrats are far left. Putting up someone way too extreme is going to ensure that idiot's second term.

The public has not made it clear that their message is not inspiring. Most of them are complete unknowns here. The public has not weighed in yet. There hasn't even been a single vote cast.

Ugh, Morning Joe is awful, Tres.

No offense, but we won without disgruntled Republicans before, and we can do it again. You notice you never see Republicans worry one bit if a handful of Democrats vote for them. Nope, they worry about their base and what they want. They recognize they can't be all things to all people, and that's been a winning attitude for them since the 80's with Reagan and latter in congressional races with Gingrich.

Trump is an extremist and has a million unpopular policies. It's not rocket science to beat him, unless you make it into that by overthinking what he's going to say about you to paint you as a left-wing extremist, instead of you thinking about what you're going to say about him to paint him as a right-wing extremist.

The debates are a privilege, not a right. It's common sense for the DNC to create ground rules for who is worthy of a stage and when, or else we'll have two debate nights until March, and that IS a situation that helps Trump win.

 

[tres borrachos]

Ugh, Morning Joe is awful, Tres.

No offense, but we won without disgruntled Republicans before, and we can do it again. You notice you never see Republicans worry one bit if a handful of Democrats vote for them. Nope, they worry about their base and what they want. They recognize they can't be all things to all people, and that's been a winning attitude for them since the 80's with Reagan and latter in congressional races with Gingrich.

Trump is an extremist and has a million unpopular policies. It's not rocket science to beat him, unless you make it into that by overthinking what he's going to say about you to paint you as a left-wing extremist, instead of you thinking about what you're going to say about him to paint him as a right-wing extremist.

The debates are a privilege, not a right. It's common sense for the DNC to create ground rules for who is worthy of a stage and when, or else we'll have two debate nights until March, and that IS a situation that helps Trump win.

I love Morning Joe. He's a former Republican, like I am. I understand him.

I know the debate participation is a privilege. Not a right. I don't question how the DNC has set them up as they have. My point was they are not in the limelight now.

The lower tier people have a chance. i don't want to see the DNC crown someone a winner before I have a chance to see and understand them all. Even the ones at the bottom.

I know Trump is extremist. It's one of the many reasons I didn't vote for the GOP candidate for the first time in my entire life.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Gilibrand and Gabbard can go. I won't miss either.

 

[3leftsdoo]

FB is a bit slow, but if you scroll down it was 18 days in Iowa, 21 days in Hew Hampshire, 5 days in South Carolina and 2 Days in Nevada. That's 46 days (at least) on the trail.

Poor New Hampshire!

But their loss was New York's gain.

A more feckless party nitwit than Gillibrand is unusual even for the Democrats...