Julian Assange has been arrested

[Tigerace117]

Do us both a favor then, and stop replying to me. I'm not joking.

Oooh, mr. “I think ZOG is a thing” thinks he’s a tough guy. Sooooo scary :roll::lamo

 

[NWRatCon]

Not even sure what they are going to charge him with.

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He's already been indicted for conspiracy to commit computer theft. He gave instructions to (then) Bradley Manning on how to break into Pentagon computers. Indictment (Lawfare).

 

[NWRatCon]

Agreed. I think Assange is indeed self-promoting and arrogant. But the issue is this: has he committed crimes while subject to US law, that is while he was present in the US?

One need not be present in the United States to be subject to prosecution, if you took actions to affect circumstances within the United States. In this case, breaking into severs located at the Pentagon. The same is true of the Russian hackers. It is interesting that Wikileaks is also named in the Russian hacker indictments.

 

[Sweden]

One need not be present in the United States to be subject to prosecution, if you took actions to affect circumstances within the United States. In this case, breaking into severs located at the Pentagon. The same is true of the Russian hackers. It is interesting that Wikileaks is also named in the Russian hacker indictments.

So if, say, a US citizen not in China breaks some Chinese law he should be extradited to China to face trial and punishment? And should the US now seek to extradite Russians who may have broken US laws IF they had acted within the US?

Think about it. Every state's laws can only apply within the state. Texas, say, has its own laws which only govern the conduct of those actually in Texas. Even Texans living (or visiting) New York are subject to NY law, not Texan.

 

[PoS]

Agreed. I think Assange is indeed self-promoting and arrogant. But the issue is this: has he committed crimes while subject to US law, that is while he was present in the US?

He doesnt have to be in the US to be extradited for crimes. The US has gotten extraditions of Russian arms dealers like Viktor Bout and a Russian hacker was also sent over to face trial in America.

 

[Sweden]

He doesnt have to be in the US to be extradited for crimes. The US has gotten extraditions of Russian arms dealers like Viktor Bout and a Russian hacker was also sent over to face trial in America.

If that is so it is a disgrace. Just as it would be if people were extradited to Russia for supposedly breaking Russian laws from a distance.

 

[Obscurity]

The charges crafted against assange will allow this authoritarian administration to go after any and all journalists in the future.

This is an autocratic move and anyonr who cares about freedom of yhe press or the constitution sbould be worried abouy the indictment.

 

[$1000]

Yep, your delusional ravings about an “American empire” and almost laughably biased sources certainly fit the bill. It’s like reading RT and claiming that that provides a credible look at what’s going on in the world :lamo

Yeah, being powerful is not proof that one is an “empire”. Having allies around the world does not make one an “empire” either. And yes, your ravings are rather laughable.

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2. A political doctrine or system promoting such extension of authority.
American Heritage Dictionary Entry: imperialism

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a. A political unit having an extensive territory or comprising a number of territories or nations and ruled by a single supreme authority.
b. The territory included in such a unit.
2. An extensive enterprise under a unified authority:a publishing empire.
3. Imperial or imperialistic sovereignty, domination, or control:the extension of empire to distant lands.
American Heritage Dictionary Entry: empire

I know, I know, googling definitions is probable just as hard a googling 'examples of people endangered by Wikileaks'.

No, your hero did not keep anyone safe. He and his cronies actively endangered people and then acted like that made them above the law.

Gee, horrific crimes like what happens to gay people in Saudi Arabia? Hmm.... your hero and his cronies sure don’t care about that given their actions. How about horrific crimes committed by Vlad Putin and Assad in Syria? Nope, that doesn’t matter either.

The hysterics of Assange fanboys is always amusing though

Hmm, still no sources. Still no understanding of what 'biased' even means (after all, that would require you to read something which disagrees with you). It's always, always the same: people claim that Assange endangered all of these people, but they can't give you a single name. Just like, during Mannings, trial, they came up with ZERO actual examples. It's all brainless parroting.

 

[prometeus]

Like Gandhi after a hunger strike.

Celebrating the torture and arrest of Assange is a new low.

But not as low as making moronic comparisons and posting idiocy as you just did.

 

[Thoreau72]

Freedom of speech and press is dead.

So is the rule of law and the First Amendment.

Everything Orwell wrote of has come true with a vengeance.

 

[dixon01767]

The charges crafted against assange will allow this authoritarian administration to go after any and all journalists in the future.

This is an autocratic move and anyonr who cares about freedom of yhe press or the constitution sbould be worried abouy the indictment.

Hacking into secured databases isnt journalism.

 

[dcsports]

The charges crafted against assange will allow this authoritarian administration to go after any and all journalists in the future.

This is an autocratic move and anyonr who cares about freedom of yhe press or the constitution sbould be worried abouy the indictment.

1) The incident and charges (or at least an earlier version of them) were likely crafted under the previous administration.

2) If Assange was truly helping Manning obtain someone else's login information, that's committing a crime - not functioning as a journalist.

 

[HumblePi]

What criminal charge? One is only subject to US law while in the US. The US has no authority or legal right to levy charges in respect of actions outside its borders. I do not know if Assange has ever even visited the US. Even if he has he may not have breached any US law while there. Your assertion that Assange is 'fully extraditable' is very doubtful.

Sorry, you're wrong about that. The U.S. has every right to bring an indictment against a person that is suspected of espionage, no matter where their country of origin is or where they're living at the time. International law is regarded and accepted by many nations. What Julian Assange was immediately charged with yesterday is jumping bail. The American extradition warrant will be hard fought in courts. There had previously been a warrant out for his arrest in Sweden for rape charges, these charges were dropped in 2017 because Assange's residency in the Ecuadorian Embassy stymied the investigation. Now, Swedish prosecutors are considering reopening the rape case against Assange.

Lenin Moreno, President of Ecuador made this statement regarding Assange:

"We've ended the asylum of this spoiled brat... From now on we'll be more careful in giving asylum to people who are really worth it, and not miserable hackers whose only goal is to destabilize governments.

 

[DifferentDrummr]

I'll take your non sequitur ad hom to mean that you don't actually want to discuss this topic (compassion for homeless folks). Wow, I'm very impressed by how quickly you lost interest in homeless people. Did Aristotle say anything about the left's faux compassion for the downtrodden...hmm, no that was Orwell.

This is not a thread about the homeless. You are the one who’s desperate to derail the topic.

 

[3leftsdoo]

The charges crafted against assange will allow this authoritarian administration to go after any and all journalists in the future.

This is an autocratic move and anyonr who cares about freedom of yhe press or the constitution sbould be worried abouy the indictment.

:agree

 

[3leftsdoo]

But not as low as making moronic comparisons and posting idiocy as you just did.

:3oops:

It's true - Gandhi was a child molester.

Assange on the other hand is an international hero who does NOT sleep with children.

 

[3leftsdoo]

So is the rule of law and the First Amendment.

Everything Orwell wrote of has come true with a vengeance.

It's one more situation where Obama showed admirable restraint, but Trump has stepped in and crapped on the Constitution.

 

[3leftsdoo]

Hacking into secured databases isnt journalism.

Luckily, he didn't do that.

 

[LouC]

Perhaps we should also burn the Constitution in addition to celebrating the torture and arrest of an heroic journalist.

:lamo :lamo :lamo :lamo :lamo

Good one!

Heroic journalist, that is hilarious!

Heroic journalists won't hide out in an Ecuadorian Embassy for 7 years to avoid rape charges and bail release violations or possible extradition to stand trial in a first world court for their alleged acts of criminality.

Real heroic journalists will go into combat zones, dangerous third world neighborhoods, or before the firing squad, or go to the gallows for their real journalism if it comes to that.

Real heroic journalists won't do what Assange has done.

LOL

 

[3leftsdoo]

:lamo :lamo :lamo :lamo :lamo

Good one!

Heroic journalist, that is hilarious!

Heroic journalists won't hide out in an Ecuadorian Embassy for 7 years to avoid rape charges and bail release violations or possible extradition to stand trial in a first world court for their alleged acts of criminality.

Real heroic journalists will go into combat zones, dangerous third world neighborhoods, or before the firing squad, or go to the gallows for their real journalism if it comes to that.

Real heroic journalists won't do what Assange has done.

LOL

Third-rate parody of right-wing liberal talking points aside, Assange is an international hero.

Anyone who swallows the fascist narrative that he is anything but is a tragic shill for burning the Constitution.

 

[jonny5]

I dont know the legal issues here and dont really care. If he conspired to cyber attack us, then hes a enemy and subject to punishment. His publishing of information he was given is freedom of the press. And he deserves credit for exposing crimes our own govt was committing and was never punished for. Id say call it a draw. Our govt did harm to us. He did harm to them.

 

[LouC]

Third-rate parody of right-wing liberal talking points aside, Assange is an international hero.

Anyone who swallows the fascist narrative that he is anything but is a tragic shill for burning the Constitution.

Assange is just another criminal scumbag trying to avoid legitimate prosecution.

 

[Tigerace117]

im·pe·ri·al·ism (ĭm-pîrē-ə-lĭz′əm)
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n.
1. The extension of a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political dominance over other nations.
2. A political doctrine or system promoting such extension of authority.
American Heritage Dictionary Entry: imperialism

em·pire (ĕmpīr′)
Share:
n.
1.
a. A political unit having an extensive territory or comprising a number of territories or nations and ruled by a single supreme authority.
b. The territory included in such a unit.
2. An extensive enterprise under a unified authority:a publishing empire.
3. Imperial or imperialistic sovereignty, domination, or control:the extension of empire to distant lands.
American Heritage Dictionary Entry: empire

I know, I know, googling definitions is probable just as hard a googling 'examples of people endangered by Wikileaks'.



Hmm, still no sources. Still no understanding of what 'biased' even means (after all, that would require you to read something which disagrees with you). It's always, always the same: people claim that Assange endangered all of these people, but they can't give you a single name. Just like, during Mannings, trial, they came up with ZERO actual examples. It's all brainless parroting.

Your hero flat out said that Afghans who cooperated with the US and could be placed in danger by his actions “had it coming”’ because they were “informants”.

“"A reporter worried that Assange would risk killing Afghans who had co-operated with American forces if he put US secrets online without taking the basic precaution of removing their names. "Well, they're informants," Assange replied. "So, if they get killed, they've got it coming to them. They deserve it." A silence fell on the table as the reporters realised that the man the gullible hailed as the pioneer of a new age of transparency was willing to hand death lists to psychopaths. They persuaded Assange to remove names before publishing the State Department Afghanistan cables. But Assange's disillusioned associates suggest that the failure to expose "informants" niggled in his mind."

The treachery of Julian Assange | Nick Cohen | Opinion | The Guardian
Not to mention, like I said before......one of your hero’s flunkies is a Holocaust denier.

Lol yeah, the US is so “dominant” over other countries that they do whatever they want—-including electing far right morons and frantically buliding fences to try and keep those terrifying desperate refugees out of their precious Aryan societies :roll:

Oh look, another pathetically weak argument from you. No bud, having lots of territory does not inherently make one an empire. That’s the problem with quoting the dictionary—-it fails to take context into account.

Don’t worry bud, I’m sure you can crawl back under your rock to salve your fragile feelings.

Yes, your stupidity is brainless parroting. Unsurprisingly coming from an Assange fanboy.

 

[Tigerace117]

Third-rate parody of right-wing liberal talking points aside, Assange is an international hero.

Anyone who swallows the fascist narrative that he is anything but is a tragic shill for burning the Constitution.

Assange flat out said Afghans working with the US were “informants”’ and therefore it was okay to place them at risk because they “have it coming”

Screaming “fascist” is not evidence bud.

 

[NWRatCon]

So if, say, a US citizen not in China breaks some Chinese law he should be extradited to China to face trial and punishment? And should the US now seek to extradite Russians who may have broken US laws IF they had acted within the US?

Think about it. Every state's laws can only apply within the state. Texas, say, has its own laws which only govern the conduct of those actually in Texas. Even Texans living (or visiting) New York are subject to NY law, not Texan.

Two points: First, the United States has an extradition treaty with the United Kingdom, so they can get him extradited. That is not the case with Russia or China. Second, yes, State laws can have extraterritorial application or jurisdiction (So- called "long arm" statutes) in the same way. For example, if you are in Chicago running a telephone scam and get an Arizona citizen to wire you money, you can be prosecuted in either Illinois or Arizona, because the effect, or "an action" occurred in both jurisdictions. This is also true in international law. Think of it this way: can a US citizen shoot indiscriminately into Canada? If they kill a Canadian citizen, shouldn't Canada have a crack at prosecuting them? Courts have to make determinations of "jurisdiction of convenience" all the time - that is, where is it most convenient to try the case.