Israel has a right to self defense

[Irredentist]

I would take issue with the almost all. Jews get it from all sides. Blamed by the right for the left and by the left for the right.

And Israeli Jews don’t really vote left anymore. Got that beaten out of them by the Oslo process and the international community’s obstruction for Palestinian intransigence and rejectionism.

Israel doesn't speak for the global Jewish community, though they sometimes pretend to. There are plenty of Jews who do not wish to support an expansionist Israeli foreign policy under the guise of "self defense".

 

[Tigerace117]

A country that was abandoned and destroyed by its enemies did not benefit from such protection

#obviously.

Which doesn’t change the fact that the advocate of nuking Mecca was fully expecting the US to save the survivors from being hauled into The Hague.

 

[Fledermaus]

Then so do the Palestinians, and other Arabs who're in a dispute with Israel. The only honorable thing for the US to do, is to withdraw our support from Israel, and let them sort it out amongst themselves. We should not conduct any military action against Iran, Syria, Iraq, etc, if they aren't a direct threat to us.
Otherwise, we should arm the Palestinians, and give them $4 billion in aid per year, so they can fight a fair fight with Israel. We arm and aid one side, yet not the other, which isn't fair.

Arming known terrorist organizations....

Arming Hamas isessentially the same thing as arming ISIS.

 

[CJ 2.0]

The US did not firebomb Swiss cities into oblivion. The US, despite having faced an enemy which had very much committed horrific war crimes against us, did not use it’s nuclear weapons on the city with strong religious importance— Kyoto— despite it being, from a military standpoint, a pretty solid target.

Targeting Mecca would be condemning local Jewish populations across much of the world to being targeted....forever, basically.

So in other words your persecution complex is nonsense...typical.

Swiss? What are you talking about? They left Kyoto alone because they calculated that with an enemy like the Japanese that wouldn’t help end things. I think the same thing applies to the Arab world, in that a strike on holy sites before or during a conflict would make it intractable.

Which is obviously completely different than if we were in a cold war with the imperial religious Japanese today to pit them on notice that if we are going to lose Kyoto is coming down with us.

Your position is nonsensical, seems to continue to rely on snippets of history out of context (and often not relevant) and making sure we all keep our eyes on the Jews no matter what. Double standards on top of double standards, all to fixate on a fictional proposition by a random internet poster.

 

[CJ 2.0]

Israel doesn't speak for the global Jewish community, though they sometimes pretend to. There are plenty of Jews who do not wish to support an expansionist Israeli foreign policy under the guise of "self defense".

Thanks for your contribution chief.

 

[CJ 2.0]

Which doesn’t change the fact that the advocate of nuking Mecca was fully expecting the US to save the survivors from being hauled into The Hague.

Huh? Which ones would those be? The leaders? Yeah, I for one assume that the next time the world turns its back on the Jews and leaves them at the mercy of those who seek to destroy them that they will not seek to protect them and will pretend it’s the Jews’ fault anyways. You guys don’t need an excuse to do the same thing you always do given enough time.

 

[Tigerace117]

Huh? Which ones would those be? The leaders? Yeah, I for one assume that the next time the world turns its back on the Jews and leaves them at the mercy of those who seek to destroy them that they will not seek to protect them and will pretend it’s the Jews’ fault anyways. You guys don’t need an excuse to do the same thing you always do given enough time.

The leaders, the officers who carried out the orders, the technicians who actually supervised the placing and firing of the weapons.....there would be plenty of punishment to go around. After all, “just following orders” isn’t an excuse.

Given the vast amounts of weaponry and money the West has poured into Israel over the years, the “everyone’s out to get us” line is rather laughable.

 

[Tigerace117]

Swiss? What are you talking about? They left Kyoto alone because they calculated that with an enemy like the Japanese that wouldn’t help end things. I think the same thing applies to the Arab world, in that a strike on holy sites before or during a conflict would make it intractable.

Which is obviously completely different than if we were in a cold war with the imperial religious Japanese today to pit them on notice that if we are going to lose Kyoto is coming down with us.

Your position is nonsensical, seems to continue to rely on snippets of history out of context (and often not relevant) and making sure we all keep our eyes on the Jews no matter what. Double standards on top of double standards, all to fixate on a fictional proposition by a random internet poster.

Switzerland was a neutral country which followed the same religion as Germany. Plenty of Germans there too. Unlike the scheme that’s been cooked up, the US didn’t pound their cities into rubble because “we are going to destroy every segment of our enemies’ culture” or whatever other justification was cooked up to advocate nuking Mecca.

If the US goes to war with China we aren’t going to lob nukes at Japan just to obliterate cultural sites.

Your argument is nonsensical.

“Waah! People think nuking a religious site is a war crime! That means you hate Jews! Waah!” :roll:

 

[Quasar44]

Switzerland was a neutral country which followed the same religion as Germany. Plenty of Germans there too. Unlike the scheme that’s been cooked up, the US didn’t pound their cities into rubble because “we are going to destroy every segment of our enemies’ culture” or whatever other justification was cooked up to advocate nuking Mecca.

If the US goes to war with China we aren’t going to lob nukes at Japan just to obliterate cultural sites.

Your argument is nonsensical.

“Waah! People think nuking a religious site is a war crime! That means you hate Jews! Waah!” :roll:

The filthy lying SWISS were the bastards who financed the NAZI machine

Hell with the SWISS except for Roger Federer lol

 

[Quasar44]

JEWISH folks can fight back and will !!!!

First time in 2,000 years you have actual JEWS fighting back.
They wont be sheep anymore except for the NYC and LA types

 

[truthatallcost]

Arming known terrorist organizations....

Syrian rebels killed Christians. ISIS killed Christians. Israel armed one of these Fleder, guess which one?
Hint: The one that isn't labeled as a terrorist organization, because we only label groups as terrorist organizations if they don't do our bidding.

Arming Hamas isessentially the same thing as arming ISIS.

Ha! That's ridiculous. Hamas simply wants Israel to stop their colonization of the Palestinians. ISIS wants to colonize the entire world. You're slavish devotion to Israel rather than America is hacky hack Fleder.

 

[truthatallcost]

The filthy lying SWISS were the bastards who financed the NAZI machine

Hell with the SWISS except for Roger Federer lol

Congrats for being the first poster to use the phrase 'filthy lying Swiss' though. You're a marvelous representative for the State of Israel. At least you don't say one thing in English, and then say something completely different in Hebrew.

 

[Quasar44]

Congrats for being the first poster to use the phrase 'filthy lying Swiss' though. You're a marvelous representative for the State of Israel. At least you don't say one thing in English, and then say something completely different in Hebrew.

I don’t speak a word of Hebrew
I live in Las Vegas
I defend Israel among its vicious attackers
I am the Spartan Shield

 

[Fledermaus]

Syrian rebels killed Christians. ISIS killed Christians. Israel armed one of these Fleder, guess which one?
Hint: The one that isn't labeled as a terrorist organization, because we only label groups as terrorist organizations if they don't do our bidding.

Ha! That's ridiculous. Hamas simply wants Israel to stop their colonization of the Palestinians. ISIS wants to colonize the entire world. You're slavish devotion to Israel rather than America is hacky hack Fleder.

Show me where Israel armed ISIS.

 

[AmNat]

Which doesn’t change the fact that the advocate of nuking Mecca was fully expecting the US to save the survivors from being hauled into The Hague.

I don't have a dog in the I-P conflict, but if Israel did decide, for whatever reason, to nuke Mecca or wherever else, how exactly its leaders would end up being "hauled into The Hague"? I'd really like to know how that circle is squared in your mind.

 

[truthatallcost]

Show me where Israel armed ISIS.

Syrian rebels killed Christians. ISIS killed Christians. Israel armed one of these Fleder, guess which one?
Hint: The one that isn't labeled as a terrorist organization, because we only label groups as terrorist organizations if they don't do our bidding.

It's not trivia if I give you the answers.

 

[AmNat]

Huh? Which ones would those be? The leaders? Yeah, I for one assume that the next time the world turns its back on the Jews and leaves them at the mercy of those who seek to destroy them that they will not seek to protect them and will pretend it’s the Jews’ fault anyways. You guys don’t need an excuse to do the same thing you always do given enough time.

If it were not for America, there would be almost no Jews left. Whatever one might say about America, the notion that it's insufficiently devoted to the Jews is ludicrous.

 

[truthatallcost]

I don’t speak a word of Hebrew
I live in Las Vegas
I defend Israel among its vicious attackers
I am the Spartan Shield

Did you know that Americans can join the IDF? There's probably more American Jews in the IDF than the USAF.

 

[Fledermaus]

Syrian rebels killed Christians. ISIS killed Christians. Israel armed one of these Fleder, guess which one?
Hint: The one that isn't labeled as a terrorist organization, because we only label groups as terrorist organizations if they don't do our bidding.

It's not trivia if I give you the answers.

Show me where Israel armed ISIS.

 

[truthatallcost]

Huh? Which ones would those be? The leaders? Yeah, I for one assume that the next time the world turns its back on the Jews and leaves them at the mercy of those who seek to destroy them that they will not seek to protect them and will pretend it’s the Jews’ fault anyways. You guys don’t need an excuse to do the same thing you always do given enough time.

Lolz.

 

[Quasar44]

Did you know that Americans can join the IDF? There's probably more American Jews in the IDF than the USAF.

I only serve to fight for myself or loved ones
And my gun abilities is lacking
Why did you accuse me of being Jewish ??

What have I ever done to you ??

 

[Fledermaus]

Did you know that Americans can join the IDF? There's probably more American Jews in the IDF than the USAF.

IDF - Active personnel 169,500, including 102,500 conscripts

USAF - 321,444 active duty airmen

Math fail........

 

[truthatallcost]

Show me where Israel armed ISIS.

Syrian rebels killed Christians. ISIS killed Christians. Israel armed one of these Fleder, guess which one?
Hint: The one that isn't labeled as a terrorist organization, because we only label groups as terrorist organizations if they don't do our bidding.

It's not trivia if I give you the answers.

 

[Fledermaus]

Syrian rebels killed Christians. ISIS killed Christians. Israel armed one of these Fleder, guess which one?
Hint: The one that isn't labeled as a terrorist organization, because we only label groups as terrorist organizations if they don't do our bidding.

It's not trivia if I give you the answers.

So, Israel didn't arm a terrorist group. Got it.

 

[truthatallcost]

IDF - Active personnel 169,500, including 102,500 conscripts

USAF - 321,444 active duty airmen

Math fail........