Is Trump a Fascist?

[bomberfox]

OK, I see what you are saying and I agree. Trump has no grand scheme or ideology. IMHO he isn’t that bright nor does he have even a basic understanding of governance nor does he have the personal discipline to conceive or implement a grand political change. Trump simply wants more power and control because he is extremely insecure and a malignant narcissist.

Also, Trump’s assery may well leave a perfect opening for a much smarter person with fascist designs to replace him.

Then again the original nazi party were filled with failures and drug addled thugs in life at the top.

 

[bomberfox]

This makes sense, since political scientists are fond of skewing facts, while ignoring others, in order to squeeze them through their social and revolutionary theories. But let's be honest. A Bachelors Degree involves mostly not a focus. Aside from classes you don't need, the major is merely an introduction.

Lol is TD trotting out his fake credentials again? The whole thing about trotting out credentials while on an anonymous board is rather silly anyway.

 

[MSgt]

Lol is TD trotting out his fake credentials again?

I have no reason to disbelieve him, except for the fact that he doesn't seem to appreciate the meanings of basic words associated to what his credentials would be. No political scientists would declare Bernie Sanders a communist anymore than they would declare Trump a fascist. Of course, given the American environment and how easily so many are easily manipulated, it is likely that his political scientist degree from long ago is barely remembered and has long been "trumped" by political partisanship.

I'm not good at foreign policy and history because I have degrees. I'm good because I continue to read, study, and educate myself.

 

[bomberfox]

I have no reason to disbelieve him, except for the fact that he doesn't seem to appreciate the meanings of basic words associated to what his credentials would be. No political scientists would declare Bernie Sanders a communist anymore than they would declare Trump a fascist.

Sure, i think trump definitely has all the tendencies but that doesnt speak to his capabilities in accomplishing such.

 

[MSgt]

Sure, i think trump definitely has all the tendencies but that doesnt speak to his capabilities in accomplishing such.

Yeah, that's what I tried to get across in my first post.

But this is debatepolitics.com, where liberals are fond of calling conservatives fascists and conservatives are fond of calling liberals (and everybody, even so-called "RINOs", not towing the radical line) a socialist, a communist, a fascist, an athiest, and whatever else. True conversation is impossible when people are more interested in obtusely labeling each other and refusing even the proper definitions of these words to matter.

 

[CharisRose]

Is Trump a Fascist? poll...

No

Roseann

 

[ataraxia]

I did that with my diploma many years ago. many claimed it was "photoshopped. And if you did serve, your anti gun views are even more disturbing

He is not alone.

"“I spent a career carrying typically either an M16 or an M4 Carbine. An M4 Carbine fires a .223 caliber round which is 5.56 mm at about 3000 feet per second. When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating. It’s designed for that. That’s what our soldiers ought to carry. I personally don’t think there’s any need for that kind of weaponry on the streets and particularly around the schools in America.

We’ve got to take a serious look—I understand everyone’s desire to have whatever they want—but we’ve got to protect our children, we’ve got to protect our police, we’ve got to protect our population. Serious action is necessary. Sometimes we talk about very limited actions on the edges and I just don’t think that’s enough.”
- Gen. Stanley McChrystal (4-star general)

 

[TurtleDude]

He is not alone.

"“I spent a career carrying typically either an M16 or an M4 Carbine. An M4 Carbine fires a .223 caliber round which is 5.56 mm at about 3000 feet per second. When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating. It’s designed for that. That’s what our soldiers ought to carry. I personally don’t think there’s any need for that kind of weaponry on the streets and particularly around the schools in America.

We’ve got to take a serious look—I understand everyone’s desire to have whatever they want—but we’ve got to protect our children, we’ve got to protect our police, we’ve got to protect our population. Serious action is necessary. Sometimes we talk about very limited actions on the edges and I just don’t think that’s enough.”
- Gen. Stanley McChrystal (4-star general)

four star generals have very little relevance to civilian firearms issues and his comments show how out of touch he is. He's a complete moron on gun issues and he is clueless about how devastating say a 30-30 soft nose deer round or a 338 WM hunting round is to a human body.

 

[Jason Warfield]

I voted yes only because you didn't have the choice of either quasi-fascist or wanna-be-fascist.

He definitely has fascist tendencies: putting in unqualified cronies into places of power, attempts to control the media outright, certainly scapegoats, sells fear and ignorance, tries to control facts and insert his own skewed reasoning, panders to a powerful base while creating a class of "anti-Americans" who may not be against the Constitution but ARE against HIM and controls a party who will protect him at all costs including subverting morals, values, ethics and in some cases, the law...essentially telling Americans that he and US patriotism are one and the same, any push back against him is a push back against America.

The only reason why I say he is a wanna-be or a quasi-fascist is due to his agenda. Real fascists have agendas wrapped up with their desire for power. A fascist will normally keep himself in power by any means necessary to pursue an agenda of say ethnic/religious cleansing or to right an imaginary wrong. And while he DOES do things like encourage whites to act like victims (which we aren't, btw) and uses scapegoating to keep the public angry and fearful, is willing to use his political power to subvert national norms to his direction....I don't think that his personal racism is what drives him. And there is a reason why he is only a wanna-be fascist, and sadly it is rather pathetic (but at least he isn't genocidal, just has no empathy).

He's in it for the money.

Don't get me wrong, fascists and dictators also accumulate wealth as a result (often illegally and to the detriment of the nation), but it is simply a by-product of being in almost total control. The power get the fascist whatever he wants just as easily as money will. No, Trump is different.

He has no real national agenda. Sure, he says MAGA, but that's just a neat catchphrase to consolidate power among those who erroneously feel they have lost personal power. No, his ,motivations are profit driven. Personal wealth for himself, his family and his friends in that order. Look at who gets top position in his administration: people with no real practical knowledge of the job they are given...but know enough to make position make wealth. DeVos is a great example.

No,Trump's agenda is too small to be a true fascist...but he is doing the job of dismantling the foundations of US government and ethics and morality just to make a buck.

 

[ataraxia]

four star generals have very little relevance to civilian firearms issues and his comments show how out of touch he is. He's a complete moron on gun issues and he is clueless about how devastating say a 30-30 soft nose deer round or a 338 WM hunting round is to a human body.

Well either a military/weapons background is something important you can appeal to, or it’s not. Which is it going to be? You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

 

[ataraxia]

I voted yes only because you didn't have the choice of either quasi-fascist or wanna-be-fascist.

He definitely has fascist tendencies: putting in unqualified cronies into places of power, attempts to control the media outright, certainly scapegoats, sells fear and ignorance, tries to control facts and insert his own skewed reasoning, panders to a powerful base while creating a class of "anti-Americans" who may not be against the Constitution but ARE against HIM and controls a party who will protect him at all costs including subverting morals, values, ethics and in some cases, the law...essentially telling Americans that he and US patriotism are one and the same, any push back against him is a push back against America.

The only reason why I say he is a wanna-be or a quasi-fascist is due to his agenda. Real fascists have agendas wrapped up with their desire for power. A fascist will normally keep himself in power by any means necessary to pursue an agenda of say ethnic/religious cleansing or to right an imaginary wrong. And while he DOES do things like encourage whites to act like victims (which we aren't, btw) and uses scapegoating to keep the public angry and fearful, is willing to use his political power to subvert national norms to his direction....I don't think that his personal racism is what drives him. And there is a reason why he is only a wanna-be fascist, and sadly it is rather pathetic (but at least he isn't genocidal, just has no empathy).

He's in it for the money.

Don't get me wrong, fascists and dictators also accumulate wealth as a result (often illegally and to the detriment of the nation), but it is simply a by-product of being in almost total control. The power get the fascist whatever he wants just as easily as money will. No, Trump is different.

He has no real national agenda. Sure, he says MAGA, but that's just a neat catchphrase to consolidate power among those who erroneously feel they have lost personal power. No, his ,motivations are profit driven. Personal wealth for himself, his family and his friends in that order. Look at who gets top position in his administration: people with no real practical knowledge of the job they are given...but know enough to make position make wealth. DeVos is a great example.

No,Trump's agenda is too small to be a true fascist...but he is doing the job of dismantling the foundations of US government and ethics and morality just to make a buck.

Very insightful analysis, thank you.

But then again, the Trump base, with its toxic brew of primitive fear, anger, resentment, ignorance, and bigotry, has been getting exploited that way in one form or another for a long time now. Didn’t the Koch brothers just finish using them to dramatically cut their personal taxes through the Tea Party AstroTurf (ahem, “grassroots movement) they bought and paid for? The NRA uses them to sell them all sorts of crazy things. And where do you think all the money for those huge mega-churches with their jet-flying pastors comes from? These folks get passed around and used like a roll of toilet paper.

Deplorables indeed- may not have been the most politically correct or wise choice of words, but I can’t think of a more apt and accurate word to describe them. Hey, they are the ones who don’t like “politically correct” and want people to just say it like it is.

 

[American]

I'm anti-moron with a gun, not anti-gun. Clearly, you have a great need to reduce matters to their simplest form in order to cling to your delusions of being righteous about your obtuse position. I literally have an M4 in every post.

Their accusation that you photoshopped your diploma after proving it was merely their doubling down on their idiocy as they clearly defined their lack of integrity. Do you know why some people decide to disbelieve others on the Internet, despite the proof? It's because they themselves are liars and can't fathom another's honesty. They are like the people who steal, and then justify it because "everybody does it."

We'll be watching.

 

[TurtleDude]

Well either a military/weapons background is something important you can appeal to, or it’s not. Which is it going to be? You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

He really has a limited bit of alleged expertise. Now a green beret NCO or a ranger NCO-that would mean something.

 

[ataraxia]

RE four-star general:

He really has a limited bit of alleged expertise. Now a green beret NCO or a ranger NCO-that would mean something.

Yeah OK whatever you say.:lamo

 

[swing_voter]

Trump is fractious.

 

[bomberfox]

Yeah, that's what I tried to get across in my first post.

But this is debatepolitics.com, where liberals are fond of calling conservatives fascists and conservatives are fond of calling liberals (and everybody, even so-called "RINOs", not towing the radical line) a socialist, a communist, a fascist, an athiest, and whatever else. True conversation is impossible when people are more interested in obtusely labeling each other and refusing even the proper definitions of these words to matter.

I think i just misunderstood you yeah i agree.

 

[bomberfox]

four star generals have very little relevance to civilian firearms issues and his comments show how out of touch he is. He's a complete moron on gun issues and he is clueless about how devastating say a 30-30 soft nose deer round or a 338 WM hunting round is to a human body.

He still fit the qualifications you expected in your damn post. Movin that goalpost :lamo

 

[j brown's body]

I voted yes only because you didn't have the choice of either quasi-fascist or wanna-be-fascist.

He definitely has fascist tendencies: putting in unqualified cronies into places of power, attempts to control the media outright, certainly scapegoats, sells fear and ignorance, tries to control facts and insert his own skewed reasoning, panders to a powerful base while creating a class of "anti-Americans" who may not be against the Constitution but ARE against HIM and controls a party who will protect him at all costs including subverting morals, values, ethics and in some cases, the law...essentially telling Americans that he and US patriotism are one and the same, any push back against him is a push back against America.

The only reason why I say he is a wanna-be or a quasi-fascist is due to his agenda. Real fascists have agendas wrapped up with their desire for power. A fascist will normally keep himself in power by any means necessary to pursue an agenda of say ethnic/religious cleansing or to right an imaginary wrong. And while he DOES do things like encourage whites to act like victims (which we aren't, btw) and uses scapegoating to keep the public angry and fearful, is willing to use his political power to subvert national norms to his direction....I don't think that his personal racism is what drives him. And there is a reason why he is only a wanna-be fascist, and sadly it is rather pathetic (but at least he isn't genocidal, just has no empathy).

He's in it for the money.

Don't get me wrong, fascists and dictators also accumulate wealth as a result (often illegally and to the detriment of the nation), but it is simply a by-product of being in almost total control. The power get the fascist whatever he wants just as easily as money will. No, Trump is different.

He has no real national agenda. Sure, he says MAGA, but that's just a neat catchphrase to consolidate power among those who erroneously feel they have lost personal power. No, his ,motivations are profit driven. Personal wealth for himself, his family and his friends in that order. Look at who gets top position in his administration: people with no real practical knowledge of the job they are given...but know enough to make position make wealth. DeVos is a great example.

No,Trump's agenda is too small to be a true fascist...but he is doing the job of dismantling the foundations of US government and ethics and morality just to make a buck.

His white nationalism definitely puts him in the fascist ballpark.

 

[MSgt]

We'll be watching.

You already are watching. From preschools, to high schools, to churches, to theaters, and to concerts you have witnessed the ongoing irresponsibility of gun owners who insist that a moron with a gun is acceptable as long as they can have their obnoxious gun hobbies and the illusion of fighting a crusade against the supposed "left" who want to steal them. We actually celebrate the psychos and the idiots because it lends us "proof" that we should own an arsenal to protect ourselves.

 

[MSgt]

He really has a limited bit of alleged expertise. Now a green beret NCO or a ranger NCO-that would mean something.

It would only mean something if what he stated catered to your opinions. Let's not pretend that you care about anything beyond that. If a Green Beret told you that our country has a serious irresponsibility problem, you would declare him as nothing and look for a SEAL to agree with you about gun anarchy.

And I'm sure you were all over McChrystal in 2010 when Obama canned him for opening his mouth. As far as your attempt to use the imagined Green Beret as if this somehow lends you some credibility, McChrystal dealt with special forces throughout his career. Even without, he has certainly been around enough bullet riddled bodies to have an opinion on whether or not the average American needs to be an "army of one" on his way to Wal-Mart for the latest Duck Dynasty DVD.

Your personal need to dismiss people with the word "alleged" does not gain you credibility. And it remains clear that your appreciation is based solely on whether or not another agrees with your little world.

 

[TurtleDude]

It would only mean something if what he stated catered to your opinions. Let's not pretend that you care about anything beyond that. If a Green Beret told you that our country has a serious irresponsibility problem, you would declare him as nothing and look for a SEAL to agree with you about gun anarchy.

And I'm sure you were all over McChrystal in 2010 when Obama canned him for opening his mouth. As far as your attempt to use the imagined Green Beret as if this somehow lends you some credibility, McChrystal dealt with special forces throughout his career. Even without, he has certainly been around enough bullet riddled bodies to have an opinion on whether or not the average American needs to be an "army of one" on his way to Wal-Mart for the latest Duck Dynasty DVD.

Your personal need to dismiss people with the word "alleged" does not gain you credibility. And it remains clear that your appreciation is based solely on whether or not another agrees with your little world.

your personal need to attack the posts of people who correctly point out that the left is the source of almost all the anti gun stupidity while also pretending you are not anti gun, per se, is well documented. A four star general is not exactly an expert on small arms-especially one who spews the absolute garbage that guy does. I reviewed the general's career and it looks like he never served in a front line infantry position-by the time he actually was in war, he was a commander, not a guy humping a M4 or using one. So his "expertise" is bogus.

 

[TurtleDude]

He still fit the qualifications you expected in your damn post. Movin that goalpost :lamo

The guy never was a front line infantryman. His war time service was as a high ranking officer-not a grunt trading rifle fire with jihadists.

 

[bomberfox]

The guy never was a front line infantryman. His war time service was as a high ranking officer-not a grunt trading rifle fire with jihadists.

You didnt say infantryman plus you don’t even need to. Your insanity of expecting someone to be the typical enlistee to know anything about the weapons that infantry use is a pitiful red herring. Create your goalposts more carefully.

 

[TurtleDude]

RE four-star general:


Yeah OK whatever you say.:lamo

go read his resume-I don't see any front line combat experience.

 

[TurtleDude]

You didnt say infantryman. Create your goalposts more carefully.

A guy who confuses real assault rifles that are military issue with civilian semi auto rifles that have been commonly used by private citizens for 100 years, is no expert and cannot be seen as credible. A guy who claims 556 FMJ is some sort of horrible projectile compared to the stuff the average deer and bear hunter uses in Wyoming is a moron