Is Trump a Fascist?

[MSgt]

More centurion nonsense from someone who hates the second amendment. People who believe the nonsense you do are precisely why civilians need to be well armed.

Clearly, no matter the subject, no matter the thread, your personal obsession to paint yourself as a victim to government oppression and a crusader for the Second Amendment is all you care about. Why don't you just spare everybody the illusion you try to present.

 

[vegas giants]

We remained armed for good reason. Just look at Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden. Both want to confiscate (INFRINGE) guns from law abiding citizens.
You people actually entertained the idea of having a communist for President. :shock:

There it is.


Communist.


That makes trump a white nationalist fascist who want to put non whites in concentration camps

 

[MSgt]

When Bernie sanders is labeled a communist....you must label trump a fascist.


It balances it out

We are all communists and fascists to a certain degree. It's the ignorance in people that actually think these terms are about purity as they use them to denigrate others, and thus actually denigrating themselves in the process.

- The irony is that even the Nazis adopted bits of communism, while raging against communism.

- The irony is that Stalinism, while settling into communism, adopted bits of fascism.

- The irony is that our democracy has adopted aspects of both, while not looking too different from the democracy in Iran.

 

[TurtleDude]

Clearly, no matter the subject, no matter the thread, your personal obsession to paint yourself as a victim to government oppression and a crusader for the Second Amendment is all you care about. Why don't you just spare everybody the illusion you try to present.

you pretend that the constitution doesn't apply to civilians and only people like you should be able to own firearms. Why don't you admit that you think your alleged service makes you superior to other civilians. We get the fact that you buy into the Starship Troopers mantra: service guarantees citizenship. Your attitude is a prime example and reason for why the military is subordinate to civilian authority in the USA

 

[TurtleDude]

We are all communists and fascists to a certain degree. It's the ignorance in people that actually think these terms are about purity as they use them to denigrate others, and thus actually denigrating themselves in the process.

- The irony is that even the Nazis adopted bits of communism, while raging against communism.

- The irony is that Stalinism, while settling into communism, adopted bits of fascism.

- The irony is that our democracy has adopted aspects of both, while not looking too different from the democracy in Iran.

communism, fascism, socialism are all slightly different strains of the same disease of collectivist authoritarianism.

 

[vegas giants]

We are all communists and fascists to a certain degree. It's the ignorance in people that actually think these terms are about purity as they use them to denigrate others, and thus actually denigrating themselves in the process.

- The irony is that even the Nazis adopted bits of communism, while raging against communism.

- The irony is that Stalinism, while settling into communism, adopted bits of fascism.

- The irony is that our democracy has adopted aspects of both, while not looking too different from the democracy in Iran.

The most popular programs in any country are the socialist programs

 

[ataraxia]

Is Trump a Fascist? poll...

He’s still just more of a fascist-wannabe.

Fortunately, the system with so many checks and balances set up by the founding fathers of this country have been able to hold. At least for now. They are strained to their limit, and you hear the system creaking and moaning under the strain Trump is putting on them, and a few cracks have appeared (like Barr and McConnell betraying their responsibilities and oath), but it’s still sort of holding. Hopefully it can hang in there just another a few moremonths...

 

[MSgt]

We remained armed for good reason. Just look at Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden. Both want to confiscate (INFRINGE) guns from law abiding citizens.

Whatever. We remain armed because we like guns.

The notion that we remain armed because of the threat of "government tyranny" has long been just a deceitful excuse to hide that basic fact. Were it not for the wide open space of the American continent, the necessity to defend against the Spanish government, the British government, and "wild" Indians, and the need to hunt for food throughout the early period and throughout Manifest Destiny there wouldn't be a Second Amendment. No established and organized government has ever simply handed out the guns in case that very same government ever decided too get froggy against its citizens. And the new American government was hardly established, organized, and secure. It needed armed citizens to protect it themselves and the new government if called on. Wording it contrary in the Constitution only created a myth of origin.

Not only that, but the idea puts you in a contrary position. On the one hand, you praise and cheer the military for its greatness, while approving ever more spending with the idea that more and more toys that the military doesn't need makes it stronger. On the other hand you declare to be petrified that the government, thus the military, means you harm.

But it doesn't really matter does it? The guns are here to stay. We can at least not hide behind the deceit of some ideological nobility.

You people actually entertained the idea of having a communist for President. :shock:

Yet, you people actually elected and blindly support a man who received great praise, literally, from neo-Nazis at his political rallies. Do you see how your personal crusade to exaggerate and denigrate "the left" only blinds you to your own actual behaviors?

There is no communist Democrat. Communism is about a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs. Since Democrats also thrive in a capitalist system of private property, their promotion of social systems within this tax-paying system does not make them communists. It is for this and so many other reasons you conservatives have become so very irrational in your positions. But what else should people expect from people who cant even define themselves while supporting a walking anti-thesis to conservatism.

 

[Tangmo]

fascists seek to disarm those who don't agree with them. The people who want to do that are not the Trump supporters but rather Democrats

You're saying the same thingy in different ways so you can continue to avoid addressing my posts on the Right, guns, and how while the Right has tried to justify its at home arsenals by saying the government will enslave 'em, Putin-Trump sharing the Oval has turned the Right 180 degrees to the government led by Trump as your hero. The Right now hasn't any reason any more to distrust and oppose the government. Your opposition now is against the Constitution, Democrats and the Democratic Party plus other Constitutionalsts to include a number of Republicans who have a new name now -- Democrats.

 

[Tangmo]

you pretend that the constitution doesn't apply to civilians and only people like you should be able to own firearms. Why don't you admit that you think your alleged service makes you superior to other civilians. We get the fact that you buy into the Starship Troopers mantra: service guarantees citizenship. Your attitude is a prime example and reason for why the military is subordinate to civilian authority in the USA

Civilian authority in USA is subordinate entirely to the Constitution. So when a certain civilian authority places itself in jeopardy because of its obvious campaign to shred the Constitution it places itself in a liability to the Constitution and it will be held accountable. It will have to face the music as it were and get marched out to the tune of it.

 

[TurtleDude]

Civilian authority in USA is subordinate entirely to the Constitution. So when a certain civilian authority places itself in jeopardy because of its obvious campaign to shred the Constitution it places itself in a liability to the Constitution and it will be held accountable. It will have to face the music as it were and get marched out to the tune of it.

what exactly are you trying to say?

 

[MSgt]

communism, fascism, socialism are all slightly different strains of the same disease of collectivist authoritarianism.

Sure. In there purities, communism, fascism, and socialism restricts and harms growth and progress. Totalitarian systems leave no room for innovation, fresh ideas, and creativity. And communism works best at low levels, not big government where it slowly becomes what it declares to be against (or Stalinism.)

But wasn't it capitalism that caused the world's first economic disaster in the 1890s, the Great Depression, and the Great Recession? Let's not forget that it was only after the disaster of 1929 that Europe began gravitating towards communism and fascism as a means to pick itself back up. And it was the threat of these two systems (as well as our own economic ruin) that led to the social systems that were meant to instill confidence back into capitalism/democracy.

But since taxation is a form of collectivism, I wouldn't relegate these things to simply a disease as a means to denigrate. They are what they are and came into being because the environment around them was a wreck. Soviet communism came from authoritarian monarchy. Fascism came from anti-Marxism and the belief in a controlling elite. We practice our own bit of collectivism and corporate elitism. In fact, while we rage against redistribution, what do we think government spending on the population is? Taxes are collected, consensus are taken, and our government distributes accordingly. Except now, with over 90 corporations in the Fortune 500 paying zero to negative taxes, there is far less money to do that. But make no mistake, the wealthy will also call the fire department that the Middle Class pays for, while promoting themselves as America's ruling elite, in which Republicans and more and more Democrats cater to.

Of the world's populations, I have found that only Americans are so quick to look at these terms as black and white; and in doing so create an economic and social environment that actually prevents us from greater things. Most countries can't afford to do great things. We certainly can, but refuse for fear of words.

 

[Tangmo]

communism, fascism, socialism are all slightly different strains of the same disease of collectivist authoritarianism.

You forgot capitalism and I speak as a capitalist.

Since 1850 we've had the modern political ideas and framework that have applied to the industrial age: capitalism, socialism, communism, fascism. No matter how one moves the flat line into a closed circle you've got capitalism and fascism standing shoulder to shoulder. I see it posting here in fact. The Right doesn't see it because their heads are full of nonsense.

 

[TurtleDude]

You forgot capitalism and I speak as a capitalist.

Since 1850 we've had the modern political ideas and framework that have applied to the industrial age: capitalism, socialism, communism, fascism. No matter how one moves the flat line into a closed circle you've got capitalism and fascism standing shoulder to shoulder. I see it posting here in fact. The Right doesn't see it because their heads are full of nonsense.

capitalism isn't specifically a government philosophy

 

[Waddy]

More than that it shows the dumbing-down of America.
Fascist is the hive's newest buzz word because they've worn out all the rest.

Broadening such terms robs them of any real meaning. Just like now everyone is a "victim". Any person who thinks Trump (or any other US elected leader) is a fascist doesn't know the meaning of the word; they have NO sense of history.

I've seen this broadening of terms spread through our culture. Today my dad would be considered a "child abuser". Yep, he believed "spare the rod, spoil the child". But as I look back on what a hard head I was growing up, getting a paddle now and again probably saved my life. I wasn't the type of child adults could get through to with just some pleading.

 

[Tangmo]

you pretend that the constitution doesn't apply to civilians and only people like you should be able to own firearms. Why don't you admit that you think your alleged service makes you superior to other civilians. We get the fact that you buy into the Starship Troopers mantra: service guarantees citizenship. Your attitude is a prime example and reason for why the military is subordinate to civilian authority in the USA

what exactly are you trying to say?

I'm completing the rest of your final sentence. That is, civilian authority is subject to the Constitution.

 

[MSgt]

He’s still just more of a fascist-wannabe.

Fortunately, the system with so many checks and balances set up by the founding fathers of this country have been able to hold. At least for now. They are strained to their limit, and you hear the system creaking and moaning under the strain Trump is putting on them, and a few cracks have appeared (like Barr and McConnell betraying their responsibilities and oath), but it’s still sort of holding. Hopefully it can hang in there just another a few moremonths...

Oh, I don't know about that. Biden is bland and more of a useless grass mushroom, while Sanders can't stop saying words like "socialism" to an American population that can barely even spell it. This is what Democrats have decided is better than Trump. Why promote something great when you can just promote something OK? Less effort.

Don't get me wrong, in November I will vote for a corpse that can't make a decision over Trump, who can't make a right one. But...I'm not most America. I don't even represent the military voice on this site anymore, given the way so many Veterans here have their lips crammed up Trump's draft dodging, military denigrating butt hole.

 

[Tangmo]

capitalism isn't specifically a government philosophy

The four are economic systems based on a philosophy on the wise use of resources. The philosophies differ of course as to what that is and means, hence the variations in the form of government each establishes as its superstructure that has the authority to control the use and distribution of resources. I guess you never found the building at Yale where those classes were held.

 

[MSgt]

you pretend that the constitution doesn't apply to civilians and only people like you should be able to own firearms. Why don't you admit that you think your alleged service makes you superior to other civilians. We get the fact that you buy into the Starship Troopers mantra: service guarantees citizenship. Your attitude is a prime example and reason for why the military is subordinate to civilian authority in the USA

Yes, civilian authorities have done wonders. Thank you, civilian overlord, for Vietnam, Iraq, and nineteen years of Afghanistan.

I buy into the idea that it is very untrained civilians who whine so insistently about their rights while they slaughter their fellow American civilians in churches, schools, and country/western concerts. It is a deadly weapon, not a gun to trick out and show off to your friends as you all dream of the eighteenth century pioneer with flames painted along his musket.

And my "alleged" service? Really? Simple enough to prove:



How do you feel, now? Kind of egg facey? It's not like I accuse you of "allegedly" being a turtle.

 

[TurtleDude]

Yes, civilian authorities have done wonders. Thank you, civilian overlord, for Vietnam, Iraq, and nineteen years of Afghanistan.

I buy into the idea that it is very untrained civilians who whine so insistently about their rights while they slaughter their fellow American civilians in churches, schools, and country/western concerts. It is a deadly weapon, not a gun to trick out and show off to your friends as you all dream of the eighteenth century pioneer with flames painted along his musket.

And my "alleged" service? Really? Simple enough to prove:

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How do you feel, now? Kind of egg facey? It's not like I accuse you of "allegedly" being a turtle.

I did that with my diploma many years ago. many claimed it was "photoshopped. And if you did serve, your anti gun views are even more disturbing

 

[TurtleDude]

The four are economic systems based on a philosophy on the wise use of resources. The philosophies differ of course as to what that is and means, hence the variations in the form of government each establishes as its superstructure that has the authority to control the use and distribution of resources. I guess you never found the building at Yale where those classes were held.

actually I was top of my major-with a perfect 4.0 and a perfect score on the comprehensive final exam. Most of my last three years as an undergraduate were spent in political science. Shall we compare education on political science?

 

[Tangmo]

I see you were rudely awakened.

I recommend however you go back to sleep.

Because your posts say nothing anyway.

 

[Tangmo]

actually I was top of my major-with a perfect 4.0 and a perfect score on the comprehensive final exam. Most of my last three years as an undergraduate were spent in political science. Shall we compare education on political science?

Start a thread.

Until then we're on this thread and topic.

My references were in passing not a call to a duel. Not a duel here anyway.

 

[MSgt]

I did that with my diploma many years ago. many claimed it was "photoshopped. And if you did serve, your anti gun views are even more disturbing

I'm anti-moron with a gun, not anti-gun. Clearly, you have a great need to reduce matters to their simplest form in order to cling to your delusions of being righteous about your obtuse position. I literally have an M4 in every post.

Their accusation that you photoshopped your diploma after proving it was merely their doubling down on their idiocy as they clearly defined their lack of integrity. Do you know why some people decide to disbelieve others on the Internet, despite the proof? It's because they themselves are liars and can't fathom another's honesty. They are like the people who steal, and then justify it because "everybody does it."

 

[MSgt]

actually I was top of my major-with a perfect 4.0 and a perfect score on the comprehensive final exam. Most of my last three years as an undergraduate were spent in political science. Shall we compare education on political science?

This makes sense, since political scientists are fond of skewing facts, while ignoring others, in order to squeeze them through their social and revolutionary theories.

But let's be honest. A Bachelors Degree involves mostly not a focus. Aside from classes you don't need, the major is merely an introduction. And since you have clearly demonstrated ignorance into certain words that are associated to political science, you were either only briefly introduced and only cared enough to pass a multiple choice; or you have allowed the GOP to politicize the terms in your head so as to use them wrong.